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Re: How to put your genealogical information on the INTERNET???!!

info4155 — 2013-05-20 07:39:58Z

You can use DropBox to share the Documents free

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Re: How to put your genealogical information on the INTERNET???!!

darrell_a_martin — 2010-12-26 00:36:17Z

Many ISPs provide a basic Web site as part of the deal. Check with yours to see if you are already paying for the space, how much it is, etc. -- Darrell

Re: How to put your genealogical information on the INTERNET???!!

cleave31 — 2010-12-26 00:15:10Z

It's old but this might help. See
http://cleaveland.info/miscellaneous/br20021012/b0.htm

If you're a TMG user you have it made using SecondSite in conjunction with the Rootsweb site. See
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/

If you don't have TMG and Second Site, consider one of the GEDCOM-based site generators. Although, as Terry says, they miss some information, you can suggest that observers might want to contact you if interested.

If you're willing to spend $72 per year I highly recommend ICDSoft (http://www2.icdsoft.com/). Their help is outstanding.

Terry's earlier response was more comprehensive, but maybe this will help some.

Dick - http://www.rgcle.com/

Re: How to put your genealogical information on the INTERNET???!!

treigel — 2010-12-25 20:05:19Z

Neil,

I suspect you have made the easiest step by posting on Ancestry.com, though I'd note that that fails your criteria of no cost, since you have a paid subscription to Ancestry to do that. There are some issues with this method. It generally doesn't do a very good job of displaying your good documentation, and depending on how it was recorded and in what program, may omit some of your information (due to limitations of both GEDCOM and the Ancestry Tree system). I don't think it effective either if your target readers are expected to find you by Google or other search sites. It works best when your expected reader is using Ancestry.

You have posted your question on the Second Site board, but don't say whether you use The Master Genealogist as your genealogy program. Second Site makes excellent websites, but it requires that your data is entered in TMG. If it is you can easily create a site that can be searched by Google and the like, and does a much better job of displaying all your information, including your documentation.

But if you use Second Site or another site-builder, you need some place to host your site. Your ISP probably offers a small amount of hosting space included in your monthly fee, or you can use RootsWeb FreePages. Both of these have disadvantages, but are free of additional cost. A better solution is use a paid host. For the "Internet illiterate" the hosting service offered by Second Site's owner is an excellent choice, but there is a fee for it.

Terry Reigel

How to put your genealogical information on the INTERNET???!!

neilr127 — 2010-12-25 19:36:47Z

I have a large amount of well documented and researched genealogical information on several of my family lines. Besides dowloading a GEDCOM on Ancestry.com (which I have done), what is the best way for me to make that information available to all on the internet. Im interested in doing it in a way that will not cost me anything and will be free access to all if they Google a name.

Im internet illiterate on this subject.

Neil

Re: Help Please! Data not available from main page

jcardinal — 2010-09-27 13:18:45Z

Are you sure _nothing_ happens when you click the link? Does the browser report an error trying to open the page?

Did you change the People section controls to select a subset of your project? If so, is it possible that you set it such that no one is selected?

Help Please! Data not available from main page

RHCarter — 2010-09-24 05:46:34Z

I had just gotten the pages formatted like I wanted them, and not it creates my main page with the menu buttons to go to Surname Index, etc. but nothing happens when I select any of the menu items. I'm hoping it's some setting I mistakenly changed....can anyone help?

Re: Web Page Generation for the iPad

rj_fleck — 2010-09-10 01:43:58Z

Thanks, I'll try fewer people per page. I thought of that but hadn't gotten around to trying it.
Bob Fleck

Re: Web Page Generation for the iPad

jcardinal — 2010-09-10 01:39:55Z

SS always links to a specific target (person page entry), and both IE8 on your PC and Safari on your iPad get the same HTML. If the link to a specific part of the page doesn't work on an iPad, then it's a browser issue, and unfortunately, there's not much I can do about it. You could change to using one person per page. You might also try using less people per page than you are using now: it might be the length of the page that is giving Safari trouble. So, for example, if you have 30 people per page now, try 10 and see if that helps.

Re: Web Page Generation for the iPad

rj_fleck — 2010-09-09 22:38:13Z

Thank you. I'm not using frames, but SS links to people does not always place that person on top of the target page as it does with IE8 on a PC.

Re: Web Page Generation for the iPad

jcardinal — 2010-09-09 21:48:51Z

I believe the iPad uses a version of Safari and pages generated by Second Site 3 should be fully compatible with it.

In terms of layout and/or Theme choices, here are a couple suggestions:

- Do not use a framed site. There's not enough width on mobile devices.

- Use one of the simpler Themes, one that doesn't include a lot of graphics. In particular, don't use graphic buttons, use the text and CSS buttons. They use minimal space.

You can make CSS changes to take advantage of the look of iPad (iPhone) applications, but you'll have to consult an iPad design site for that level of detail.

John

Web Page Generation for the iPad

rj_fleck — 2010-09-09 20:12:06Z

Can anyone tell me what I can do to format web pages (using Second Site 3) for the best viewing with an iPad?

Re: Picture size

khunter08 — 2009-03-01 23:46:21Z

Darrell,

That was news to me also. I've been resizing with my photo editor all this time. (Not necessarily a bad thing since I can crop out miscellaneous fluff.)

Re: Picture size

castle411 — 2009-03-01 10:29:21Z

It worked very nicely. Thanks.

Vince

Re: Picture size

castle411 — 2009-03-01 01:13:30Z

I didn't know that TMG Utility could do that. I'll givr it a try.

Thanks
Vince

Re: Picture size

DarrellAMartin — 2009-02-28 23:46:26Z

John Cardinal's "TMG Utility" has a feature to create resized images. See:

http://www.johncardinal.com/tmgutil/exportimages.htm

Darrell

Picture size

castle411 — 2009-02-28 18:43:00Z

How do I get all of my pictures the same size when the HTML pages are displayed. I'm not sure if this question belong here or on the TMG board.

Please Help

Vince

Re: Carriage Return in BMDB Sequence

vbscoutmom — 2008-08-22 15:09:23Z

Instead of a two tag approach, how about a second "language" to achieve the desired output. See: tmg.reigelridge.com/Language.htm for ideas on using a 2nd language to get the same data to output in different ways.

Barbara

Re: Carriage Return in BMDB Sequence

rlstoy — 2008-08-21 17:11:45Z

Thanks, Lee, for the comments. I had considered the "two-tag" approach since the journal report and the narrative report are structured differently - I tend to make use of the narrative report mostly. For now, I'll use the journal report that is a good predictor of what Second Site does and structure the event text to have a suitable paragraph style. Need to give more thought to how to get the narrative report to do what I'd like. Thanks.

Re: Carriage Return in BMDB Sequence

leehoffman — 2008-08-21 16:05:41Z

While the idea has some merit, the problem is that there may be times while the [:CR:] is desired - first paragraph notwithstanding. Thus there would be no way of 2nd Site knowing when the [:CR:] is to be followed or ignored.

The same applies within TMG when the user uses the code to format an Individual Narrative report and then prints a Journal Narrative with the separate lead paragraph.

The only option, in my opinion, might be having two Tags with the same data. Then select to use one of those Tags for the Journal or for 2nd Site and the other Tag for other reports.

Hope this helps -
Lee

Re: Carriage Return in BMDB Sequence

rstoneh11 — 2008-08-21 13:47:50Z

First let me say that I'm not knocking the [2ndst] list, but
I noticed this showed up in the [2ndst] list and the author of the Second Site software no longer participates in this second site list. He does monitor/host a second site list on google and since he in the only one who can make program changes you might want to subscribe to that list and post your suggestion there. Of course you could always contact him directly.

Carriage Return in BMDB Sequence

rlstoy — 2008-08-20 23:09:29Z

This is a request for a modification in Second Site for the use of [CR] in BMDB events. At this time, the [CR] as used in TMG is honored by SS for all events. However, if the "BMDB First" box on Pages - Format is checked, this results in awkward paragraphing within this first paragraph under a person's name. Can [CR] be ignored if this box is checked for all BMDB events (and these events only)? That would make for a much improved flow of text.

If I have this wrong and am missing something, someone please let me know. Thanks for listening.

Re: Error 13

jcardinal — 2008-04-12 13:51:37Z

First, I suggest you upgrade to the latest version of Second Site 2, which is 2.1.4. See: http://www.johncardinal.com/ss/ssn034.htm.

If the problem persists, contact me off-list.

Error 13

slfate41 — 2008-04-12 13:36:09Z

I am receiving the following error from SS.

Second Site 2 Version 2.1 Build 03

Error 13 from SecondSite2 [LOC=12]
Type mismatch

I have TMG version 6 and 7, and have tried SS on datasets from both versions and receive the same message. I have used SS successfuly on the TMG v6 dataset for several years and just recently started receiving this error. Can someone help?

Re: Compiler e-mail not functioning

skleist56 — 2008-03-19 12:24:06Z

* Problem solved *
It was failing on both my published site and the version on my PC. Plus I had tried it from several different computers.

However, I woke up this morning with an idea and it solved my problem. It appears that Outlook or how Outlook received the message to launch the email did not like the double quotes around "Kleist" as text in the title.

I changed them to single quotes or no quotes and everything was fine.

Thank you for your help. I am amazed at how much work you put in to helping your customers. It is greatly appreciated.

Re: Compiler e-mail not functioning

ggilbert1 — 2008-03-19 05:16:26Z

I checked several pages, and the email link functions properly using Thunderbird.

Re: Compiler e-mail not functioning

jcardinal — 2008-03-19 03:51:45Z

I visited many of your pages and when I clicked the linked name next to the compiler, Outlook opened properly with your email address in the "To:" box. Are you having trouble with your published site, or with a version on your PC?

Compiler e-mail not functioning

skleist56 — 2008-03-19 03:26:56Z

First of all: Second Site is excellent, excellent excellent!
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When I click the compiler to send an e-mail, I get this message from Outlook,"The command line argument is not valid. Verify the switch you are using"

It use to work, but something I did must be causing the problem. If I create a new Site Definition I can get it to work, but I don't want to redo all my work with the new site defintion.

Thank you for your time.

www.visi.com/~skleist

Default Browser

Martysgenes — 2007-11-13 15:31:37Z

I have tried everything I know to make Firefox my default browser for opening SS pages. It persists in bringing up IE.

Any suggestions?
Marty

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-20 12:33:07Z

Thanks John. This is a double learning curve for me. I mis-understood the import of the option re memos (and also dates.) I havent thanked you sooner because I've been working to tidy up the TMG file and not going back to SS all the time.

I still havent worked out how to save my settings in SS, i.e. when the site (style) options and UK English language are preserved and when not. Ditto when the actual data is updated and recaptured, but I think I am getting there. Don't answer this. Just leave me to play with it for a couple of weeks and I guess I'll be fine.
And if I am not, I will ask again.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

jcardinal — 2007-08-17 18:50:51Z

By default, Second Site appends the memo to sentences that do not include the [M] variable. That mimics an option in TMG that does the same thing. Evidently, in TMG you have turned off that option. So, in Second Site, you should also turn that option off. The option is in the memo section, "Add Memo to Sentence." Set it to "Do Not Append" and that should solve the problem for you.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-17 17:54:50Z

John - I am really sorry, but I have stil not mastered this.

In TMG individual narrative reports, I have the census entries showing up as I want them. The head of house and his wife have a full entry for the census TAG with a Memo. But where an individual has appeared only in the "witness" roles of son, daughter etc, the sentence in their report just gives date and place. The Memo is not repeated.

Second Site is not replicating my TMG report, but adds an unwanted memo to witnessed Census events.

Is there anything one can do about this? Apart from deleting all memos to the census tags?

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-15 21:24:56Z

Thanks to you both Terry and John.
It would never have entered my head that a whole tag could be omitted just because the version of English was different.

We didnt even understand that the SS default English was American, till my husband noticed woolen was spelled the American way.
At least it all makes sense now. Thanks again.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

jcardinal — 2007-08-15 20:57:17Z

As I said above, Second Site uses TMG's sentences and roles, but both TMG and SS have language settings that determine which sentences are used, so you need to make sure that when you compare TMG output to Second Site output you are using the same language in both.

Second Site does "grab new data" ... it reads your TMG project each time to make the site.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

treigel — 2007-08-15 15:57:15Z

I suspect the problem is that you are using EnglishUK in TMG but EnglishUS in Second Site.

If you have the language set in TMG on the File > Language setting to EnglishUK, then the sentences you edit or create will by default be the EnglishUK sentences, not the EnglishUS ones.

If you make your site with the Sentence Language set to EnglishUS it will not use those EnglishUK sentences. Changing the Sentence Language in Second Site, as I believe you did, should fix that.

Terry Reigel

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-15 15:45:05Z

Apologies. Please ignore the above. Half an hour after posting the above, I altered the language in SS to EnglishUK and redid the site.
This Albert Victor Hague's entry came out fine. With the census entry there and the carriage return etc, just about identical to the TMG report.

But I am certain that I didnt re-edit his TMG entry at all. I am still in the dark as to why I dont see what is there? Am I actually seeing the true state of my SS site or is my aol browser hanging onto an old browser image. How could the census entry be missing time after time? And yet now turn up, correct after all?

Is it that SS is not grabbing new data each time?

Of course I am very pleased. But I remain feeling a bit stupid.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-15 14:10:00Z

Dear John,
Thank you for your reply and explanation. You are right that I have SS set to exclude the living. But I havent got as far as wanting to show witnesses on the census entry for the Head of House. I am in the very early stages of exploring SS and am using one individual who lived 1897-1942 as a guinea pig to teach myself SS. My assumtion is that if I can get one individual right, I can sort out everyone else.

To date I have used TMG for research only, so my first task was to tidy up his TMG record and use sentences to get a narrative individual report in TMG.
I then generated a default SS report and found the census entry (role of son in his father’s 1901 census) missing. That was why I asked if SS handles roles etc.

If I may, I’d like ask about some of the differences between the TMG and SS reports I generated.
The indivdual narrative report in TMG is currently just about what I want, though, as in SS, I have some extra commas in the loactions fields:-
Albert Victor Haigh (38) was born on 5 Nov 1897 at Horbury Road, Ossett, Yorkshire. , , He was known as Victor (38) in the family. He was listed as a son in the household of Walter Haigh (7) and Emily Moss (6) in the 1901 census at Horbury Rd, Ossett, Yorkshire. Between 1914 and 1918 during World War 1, according to his sister Dorothy, he served in the artillery. He returned but did not get on with the family and moved as far away as possible, first to Penzance and later to Plymouth. He was an amateur actor with the Penzance Players. There is a photo of him in costume and an engraved pewter mug presented to him by the Players, possibly as a leaving present in 1938 at Penzance, Cornwall.
He died on 21 Mar 1941 at Midland Bank, Bedford Street, Plymouth, Devon, in an enemy air raid while fire watching. The war memorial lists him as Victor, aged 43, Firewatcher of 2 The Crescent, son of Walter and Emily Haigh of Wynfield, Ossett, Yorkshire killed on 21 March 1941, at the Midland Bank, Bedford Street. , He was buried in 1941 at Civilian War Dead Burial, Plymouth, Devon.
Research notes
No baptism record found in Ossett Library when CCW located others.
His war record 1914-1918 has not been found on the PRO pension database.

The following is the SS output(plus the photo which is fine) with everything at default except places set to four fields to omit the country.

Albert Victor Haigh was born on 5 November 1897 at Horbury Road, Ossett, Yorkshire, .1,2,3 He was the son of Walter Haigh and Emily Moss. Albert Victor Haigh also went by the name of Victor in the family. He began military service between 1914 and 1918 during World War 1, according to his sister Dorothy, he served in the artillery. He returned but did not get on with the family and moved as far away as possible, first to Penzance and later to Plymouth. He was an amateur actor with the Penzance Players. There is a photo of him in costume and an engraved pewter mug presented to him by the Players, possibly as a leaving present in 1938 at Penzance, Cornwall, . He died on 21 March 1941 at Bedford Street, Plymouth, Devon, , at age 43; in an enemy air raid while fire watching. The war memorial lists him as Victor, aged 43, Firewatcher of 2 The Crescent, son of Walter and Emily Haigh of Wynfield, Ossett, Yorkshire killed on 21 March 1941, at the Midland Bank, Bedford Street.4,5 He was buried in 1941 at Plymouth, Devon, .5 He Research notes
No baptism record found in Ossett Library when CCW located others.
His war record 1914-1918 has not been found on the PRO pension database.

As you can see, the census entry is not there. His siblings also lack the 1901 census entries (their father's entry) at which they were sons.
Apart from that I have not mastered several things in SS.
In the nickname tag, SS inserts “also” known as Victor. Whereas I use the tag to show that the person’s second forename was the one he was known by, i.e. This was “Uncle Victor”.
SS has lost the carriage return at the end of the burial tag and before the research Notes.
And I have an extraneous pronoun “He” before my research notes “Note” tag.
The punctuation has an extra ; after the date, and even though I set SS not to show the country, I have not got rid of the extra commas by empty location fields.

I am hoping to get Albert Victor Haigh’s SS entry perfect and to understand how to use SS. Once I have him right, I can save the Style and set everyone else up in TMG exactly the same.

I'd be glad of any further guidance or suggestions.

PS My husband is very glad SS can be set for UK English but I havent done that yet.

Re: Preferred census entry for Second site?

jcardinal — 2007-08-14 20:46:12Z

Second Site (SS) handles roles, witnesses, and places the same as TMG with one notable exception: Second Site has inclusion/exclusion logic that can prevent someone from appearing anywhere on the site. If you include _all people_ from your project in your site, then SS will mimic TMG. If you only include a subset, then things get more involved.

First, there are 4 options in the People section that determine whether SS will show the names of excluded people. The options are "Show Excluded Parents", "Show Excluded Principals", "Show Excluded Children", and "Show Excluded Witnesses". If you check all of those boxes, then the results will be pretty similar to TMG.

Also, SS has a "Suppress Details for Living People" option. If you included Living people, and if Suppress Details for Living People is set, then events for living people (Living flag=Y or ?) will not appear (if they are a principal) or they will not be included as a witness (if they are a witness only).

My guess is that you have living people in your TMG project and your SS site is set to Exclude Living.

John

Preferred census entry for Second site?

eandcw — 2007-08-14 18:50:02Z

I am a new user of SS.
My census entries in TMG to date have been inconsistent.
Originally due to limitations of my genealogy software I treated a census as a source, with the transcribed text of the census as a memo.
Upton changing to generations O switched and used census as an event in its own right, using Caroline's separate UK census tabs for UK census. I began to put the details in the Memo field of the tag. I copied the tag to each perspon present, regardless of their status in the household.

Recently I began to use the Witness and role facility and to enter children and other relatives present using the Witness/role facility.

Second site seems to show some "role" census appearances, sometimes without the place details.

How does SS handle roles such as son?
Are roles included in Witness events?
Are places included in witness events?

How do experienced users suggest that one enters censuses to get a clear report?
I'd be grateful for guidance.

Re: web host advice please

DarrellAMartin — 2007-08-12 02:56:35Z

Hi, Jon:

Took a look at your site. As usual, I checked out "Martin" and "Dutton" in case there are any connections. Doesn't look like it. I did notice that you have a *lot* of sources with unknown values of one kind or another on the Source Pages. One of the biggest uses of Second Site is as a tool to help us all clean up our information, so don't be discouraged; many of us have been there too.

Darrell

darrellm@sprynet.com

Re: web host advice please

jgstock1 — 2007-08-12 01:16:06Z

Just an update. I chose Second Site. Fantastic product! Could not be happier. Check out the website www.jonsgen.com. I have recently purchased the newer second site version and I am working on updating my website with that product.

Regards to all

Jon

Re: web host advice please

jcardinal — 2007-08-09 21:05:38Z

Clearly, "vp748" has no idea what Second Site does, nor what the challenges are related to building web sites from genealogy databases.

Let's begin by saying that it's class-less and spam-ish to post that message here. This is not a forum offering general purpose advice for how to make web sites or find a web hosting service. This forum is dedicated to helping users get the most out of Second Site.

Regarding using online tools, those comments are at least naive and at worst deliberately misleading. It's simply not possible to use online tools to create a web site from TMG: no online tool reads a TMG database directly. Yes, you can use GEDCOM-based tools, but GEDCOM does not support the rich information model of TMG and so you can't produce web sites with the depth provided by Second Site.

The other information--about free web hosting, etc--is relevant to the original message, but given that message is now 8 months old, was "vp748" really trying to be helpful?

Re: web host advice please

vp748 — 2007-08-09 20:17:47Z

There are a bunch of websites where you can build your site with their tools right online - no downloads of software needed. I find them better quality and much easier to figure out than the "load software on your computer" route. They typically host your site for free if you allow them to put ads on it. You can pay if you want to get the ads off or get your site listed under your own domain name. Check out Wikipedia for a list of free webhosts at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_Webhosts.

Re: My census tag anomaly

jcardinal — 2007-03-29 21:13:52Z

OK, given those language choices, make sure that the labels shown in the Edit Tag Type window in TMG have the right labels; you need to have the pull-down menu set to English (UK) or it will show you the label for some other language. If you see the right label, click the OK button to make TMG save the tag info again. Contact me via e-mail if it still doesn't work like you expect.

Re: My "Name Variation" anomaly

jcardinal — 2007-03-29 21:07:14Z

OK, the sentence is not excluded. Is the tag sentence missing for everyone, or most people, or?

One thing you should try is Optimizing the project in TMG (FIle > Maintenance > Optimize). Try that and let me know if changes it.

Re: My "Name Variation" anomaly

MilneJL — 2007-03-29 20:19:20Z

John,
TMG = Name-Var Sentence structure (Default)
(As of [D],) [P] was also known as [N] ([M])
(I have had to replace the angled brackets in the above sentence with curved brackets in order for this post to be accepted)
SS = Primary tags only, not checked. Nam-Var, checked.
James

Re: My census tag anomaly

MilneJL — 2007-03-29 19:58:42Z

John,
TMG = file / language / english(UK)
SS = file / data/ language / site language / englishUK
James

Re: My "Name Variation" anomaly

jcardinal — 2007-03-28 22:55:07Z

Name tag processing is described on this help page, right at the top. Read that, and if doesn't explain what is happening for you, get back to me.

http://www.johncardinal.com/ss/secnames.htm

Re: My census tag anomaly

jcardinal — 2007-03-28 22:50:39Z

Tags have multiple labels. Make sure you are looking at the name for the correct language. SS uses the Language.Site Language to choose which tag label to use. Compare the value of that property in SS to the pull-down menu in TMG to make sure you are seeing the same version of the label. If that doesn't explain the difference, get back to me.

Re: Source Order on Source Pages

jcardinal — 2007-03-28 22:25:07Z

I didn't design the source pages to be browsed; most users will get there via citations, which link to sources, and so it doesn't matter much where they are: the browser opens the right source page and scrolls to the source.

I'll consider different sorts, but it probably won't happen soon. SS doesn't know which sources are going to be referenced until it finished building the person pages, by which time all those pages have links to the source entries. I'd have to leave place holders and then go back and fix the links in order to put them in any better order than they are in already.