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GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Re: GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Posted: 16 Jul 2015 9:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 16 Jul 2015 10:06PM GMT
Did you read my entry posted on 16 Jul 2015 12:08PM GMT It explains the Green vs Red vs not encircled?

Don't worry about translation until you can understand what needs to be translated you are getting ahead of yourself. If RootsWeb requires something that you cant create out of ACOM without a program then your SOL!!!

Bruce said: " (I will certainly go back to RootsWeb once I understand first, if the code correction job will last through updates and I understand what you mean by the pucture/URL reference)."

You can not correct anything until you understand what RootsWeb will except in your GEDCOM code. The word should be "picture" not "pucture".

Bruce Said: "Changing the code on all this once would be a very big jog. Doing it every time I update, would leave me no time for searching"

Yes it is a big job. This is why I first said: I don't recommend people transferring between programs because something will ALWAYS BE LOST. This will be true every time until the programs play nice and honor each others GEDCOM. If they played nice the GEDCOM produced and read would always work.

Bruce Said: "Or, if you know of a site, other than RootsWeb, that would display an Ancestry Gedcom showing all that is on the Ancestry tree "

Round Tripping is always a problem. I believe that the closest online program to honor GEDCOM well is webtrees that I told you about very early in this conversation. But you may still loose data if ACOM does something really crazy with its GEDCOM. And I know that I can't get to the URL listed in one of your snippets because I don't have the correct permission to access data on ACOM. Maybe it is because I'm not signed in to ACOM.

So you may never be able to do this completely!!!

Re: GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Posted: 16 Jul 2015 11:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 16 Jul 2015 11:06PM GMT
Bruce,

This is the second entry regarding your previous questions, please read both replies.

A brief overview of what you probably don't understand.

GEDCOM is a file that contains a series of line of code. The rules are well established and documented. I've been wording with GEDCOM for well over 20 years. Each line of code has 3 components, 1) a level number signifying the hierarchy of the code level 0 will contain level 1 codes, while level 1 codes will contain level 2 code etc. 2) the code, it tells the reader what type of data follows, 3) the data

1 BIRT
2 DATE 3 MAR 2015
2 PLAC Bergen, Norway

The above code says this is a birth data point, and date of the birth is 3 MAR 2015, and the place of birth is Bergen, Norway.

So... For a NOTE coming from ACOM you would see the following:

1 NOTE The note information goes here and when it must
2 CONT continue to the next line you will see this.

So when I encircle the code I did for the note in my picture you should interpret that to show you what would come out of my test from ACOM. You need to look for the same thing from your extract from ACOM. Then compare that to what you see in RootsWeb, then ask RootsWeb tech why the difference. They will probably be the only ones that know since they wrote the import code.

Same is true for the OBJE picture code, but I suspect that is a lost cause.

Re: GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Posted: 17 Jul 2015 8:35AM GMT
Classification: Query

Good Morning kj_norway,

Thank you again for your patience and continuing efforts to help me.

I think I generally understand it all now. I will go back to RootsWeb showing them the one example of Ebenezer Snell’s Notes where the Notes title made it from the Ancestry tree to the RootsWeb backup tree but the Notes them selves did not make it to the RootsWeb backup tree. I will link the RootsWeb tech to the Ancestry tree to show him what the missing Notes looked like on the Ancestry tree from which they were supposedly copied, and also show RootsWeb the code I got from the Gedcom that did the faulty transferring.

I will do the same with the Ruth Bevington pictures where a picture is shown on the Ancestry tree but only a link to that picture is shown on the RootsWeb supposed copy.

I will ask RootsWeb what changes I would have to make in the two sets of codes for the two individuals that would then transfer the Notes and the Pictures from the Ancestry tree to the RootsWeb backup tree and if those changes made once will do it with those same Notes and pictures for all future updates or if I will have to make those same code changes all over again for all future updates.

Does that properly describe my next step?

Then, if they answer as they have in the past, that they don’t know and can’t find out how to do it for me, that’s the end of it as far as Ancestry and RootsWeb tree Note and Picture exchanges are concerned and if I want a complete working tree and a monthly update back up to another tree both on an open to the public site, I will have to move both trees to a site like webtrees at http://www.webtreesonline.com/ .

Please let me know if I have this right and, if I do, I’ll go back to RootsWeb for their answers.

Thanks again for your great patience and work to help me during this, over 30 messages now, conversation. I’ve learned a lot from you and really appreciate it.

Bruce

Re: GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Posted: 17 Jul 2015 12:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
As far as what you need to do regarding syncing up your two web providers you now have your mission.

One more point about GEDCOM. A person record always starts with a 0. So in the case of your "Ebenezer Snell" the first line you should capture for your data send to RootsWeb should be:

0 @P41044@ INDI

Copy in the GEDCOM file down to the next person, which will start with another 0 in the first position of a line in the file.

Regarding your move to webtrees. First the website is www.webtrees.net. This software will require you to learn a lot more about computers to use. It may not be right for you. If I was in your shoes, with your background in computers, I would drop one of your website providers completely. Unless the two companies can provide a bridge so you can copy your data from one to the other easily, having these two sites will continue to be a pain.

Moving to webtrees is a great option but you have a lot to learn. You will need to know how to copy pictures and documents found on the Internet to your hard drive and then up to your new website. Data entry and citations will not be point and click like on ACOM. The upside will be that your data on webtrees will be more open, better organized, and controlled by you.

Re: GEDCOMS NOW NOT MOVING PICTURES AND NOTES

Posted: 18 Jul 2015 6:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello again kj_norway,

You have said my next step is to go back to RootsWeb for only they know what their software will accept. So I have prepared, what turned out to be a long, series of questions and the necessary exhibits to show what I was talking about and why.

All of this ws is copied in the long draft email to them that was copied below.

I asked if you could you scan it and see if it covers the questions you suggested I ask them and make any corrections, deletions or additions you feel necessary.

Unfortunately I ran into that "Unauthorized" trouble message again and although I deleted much of what I had in it, it seemed no matter how much I cut, it still wouldn't post. If you can send me your email address to pusch@comcast.net, I can email it to you. If not, perhaps I can just send you a few of the paragraphs of explanation the final paragraph with the final questions copied below and bracketed with quotation marks.

"Some of the new information does move from the Ancestry tree to the RootsWeb backup tree with updates. The new individuals move with the update as do links to the new notes and picture but not the notes and pictures themselves.

The links, while helpful if a reader understood what they meant, seem useless added as they are without explanation. I would add a paragraph above each list of links explaining what they are and where they lead."

AND

"I posted to the Ancestry Message Board as you suggested and have received suggestions but those suggestions were that I down load the Gedcom code on examples of a note not moving and a second example of a picture not moving and send these examples of the Ancestry Gedcom code to you at RootsWeb, who alone know what code you at RootsWeb would accept, and with that code sent you, ask you how the code should be corrected to more the pictures and notes or, if that movement was impossible, then how to add an explanation telling what the links that did move were and how to use them."

AND

"I will give you one Note, on Ebenezer Snell’s page,not traveling example and one Picture not traveling example on Ruth Emma Bevington's page. Both together with their present Gedcom codes.

The Note not traveling example is that Ancestry note shown in the Media Galley an the Ancestry tree at:
http://person.ancestry.com/tree/63977057/person/44112747326/...
does not travel to the RootsWeb backup tree page at:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...
although you can see that the title of the note does appear on that page as well as a link two lines above the title that says:
FILE: http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=f0df079b-43...
If you copy and paste that file link to the address bar at the top of the RootsWeb page and click enter, it takes you to the notes back on that Ancestry tee page."

AND I END

"So, Yvonne (THE PERSON AT ROOTSWEB I ADDRESSED THIS DRAFT EMAIL TO AND WITH WHOM I WAS CORRESPONDING BEFORE I POSTED THE QUERY ON THE ANCESTRY MESSAGE BOARD), if either you or someone else at RootsWeb can tell me, for only RootsWeb knows what code you will or will not accept, can tell me:

1. Exactly, step by step, what Gedcom added code language would move the notes and pictures from Ancestry to RootsWeb or failing that, allow me to insert a paragraph explaining what all those links are.

2. Exactly where and how would I insert this new code language into the current code.

3. How do I then save the changes so I can then upload the changed Gedcom into the RootsWeb backup tree showing the notes and pictures or, at the least, explaining how a search can see them if he wishes to.

I understand you, yourself, may not be able to tell me all this but I’m sure within RootsWeb there is someone who can and I would think RootsWeb would want to show as much up-to-date information as possible to their users.

I can’t believe these new since November problems are happening to me alone but must be shared with all your other users whether they have yet complained to you or not.

Then the final question is:

4. Once you have told me what and how to add or subtract from the code, step-by step I do insert this new language on these two pages and then, if that works, hundreds of others, can you tell me if I must repeat this every time I update for every new note and picture since last November or if that will only be necessary for those new since the last update?

Thanks for your past patience and help and I hope you can help me just this once again.

Bruce"

To kj_norway again, I've cut all the rest of it but am anxious to get your corrections, deletions or additions before I send it on the RootsWeb. As I'll be send that by email, Yvonne will get all the code and other things I cut.

I look forward to your response again this one last time.

Thank You,
Bruce
















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