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Sources - Let's talk about them

Sources - Let's talk about them

Posted: 8 Nov 2014 10:05PM GMT
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Re: Sources - Let's talk about them

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 12:21AM GMT
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What would the media tab be used for? This tab can be used to link new media to this source or to edit details about media already linked to this source. The notes tab is for whatever notes you want to add about the source. If you consider it redundant don’t use it. I do not use it.

Repository is not available with many templates. For online databases Database Creator/Owner serves the same purpose as repository, at least for me. You also have website title and URL. Overtime all of these can become outdated but if the database is still online should help you find it.

Curt

Re: Sources - Let's talk about them

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 2:03AM GMT
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Re: Sources - Let's talk about them

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 12:11PM GMT
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I am not sure what your problem is. There is more than one way to add media. Like you I normally attach media when I create the source citation. They work pretty much the same. I have edited details about the media from both places. You can also use the Media tab to add media but I have never done that.

Curt

FACT Note vs Citation Text - Don't Use Citation Note

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 4:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Nov 2014 5:02PM GMT
I'll try to explain what you are seeing.

The bottom part of the middle pane shows the FACTS that the source citation is attached to. If you select one fact (so that it is highlighted), and then click on Media and Note, you will only see the Citation Media and the Citation Note for that FACT (although that citation, along with its media and note can also be attached to other Facts). Note that citation media is considered attached to any fact in the Fact's Media space, but the Citation NOTE goes absolutely nowhere. It doesn't show up in any other screen or report anywhere in FTM.

A source citation has Citation Detail and Citation Text. If you want to put text from source into the citation, you would normally put it in the Citation TEXT box (unless you want it to go into a FACT Note - see below).

Since a Citation NOTE goes nowhere, you generally wouldn't put anything in it except a note to yourself - as it won't be printed in ANY report anywhere in FTM.

Note that a FACT Note can be included in the body of a sketch of a person in a Genealogy (Register) Report - but Citation TEXT can be printed (your option - checkbox for including in reference note), for example, at pg 853 of a 1,000 page Genealogy report, and will therefore generally not be read by readers of a textual Genealogy Report. However, most web presentations show the source citations for a person's facts on the same page with the sketch.

So, a consideration of where to put text in a source has to do with whether you are printing to a narrative style Genealogy (Register) Report, or a web page, such as ancestry.com trees or a worldconnect tree.

As a general rule, I want the ability to pick and choose whether to include a FACT NOTE in a narrative style Genealogy (Register-style) Report, and put stuff into the fact note. For example, if I transcribe an obituary, I will put it in the FACT note. Some folks will put it in Citation Text. While others will put an obituary in a person's General Notes. I don't think anyone really wants to put it into a Citation Note - where it can't be seen in any report and will often times be forgotten about because one can't see it.

Another consideration in whether to put detail text from a source into a Fact Note or a Citation Text entry field is that printing Fact Notes is a global, or print all or none choice. Whereas Citation texts have no global choice, and you an only select them one-at-a-time whether to include in a Citation Reference or not.

I hope I've made my points clear. If not, ask away and I'll try to clear up your confusion.

Citing FAG

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 4:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Nov 2014 9:26PM GMT
You said "specifically, I'm trying to cite Find-A-Grave as my source and the Repository is Find-A-Grave. Kinda frustrated with how FTM handles the sources and citations."

First, if you have cited Find-A-Grave as a website, I see no reason to duplicate it again as a repository. Succinctness trumps completeness, where the repository is self-evident, IMHO.

Here is how I cite FAG:

Source: findagrave.com
Citation detail: FAG 123456789
Citation text: (date I am seeing the FAG entry), followed by "readable photo", or "readable joint photo", "photo - can read name only, dates not clear"

My main concerns are 1) whether the FAG entry has a readable photo or not.2) the inscription 3) who is buried in the same plot, or near the grave, who could be related.

I used to put the inscription in Citation detail, but I am now putting the inscription in the description field of a custom fact I call "Burial Inscription" because I want the inscription in the main sketch of a person in a Genealogy (Register-style) Report.

Also Consider a Text File Attached as Media

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 5:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Nov 2014 5:07PM GMT
An additional way of adding text to people is to put the text into a .txt file and attach it as media. It has the advantage that it can be recalled quickly and can be read by everybody (no need for additional word processing software.)

I use this technique when I have a lot of people I want to be able to see the material. For example, let's say I have an obituary with 30 people listed - all kinds of aunts and uncles and cousins and grandkids. If I am going to attach that obituary citation to some fact for each of these 30 people, I will attach the obituary in .txt file to that citation. So, when I am looking a year from now at one of the grandsons and see that citation and wonder "I wonder what that obit said about ole Joe", the text is right there in the .txt file.

This is only for internal viewing in FTM and uploading to web pages like ancestry.com. It won't show up in any reports printed on paper.

Re: Citing FAG

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 6:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Nov 2014 9:34PM GMT
First some background

Their are 5 components that take you through from "fact" to "repository".

1. FACT/EVENt
2. Source_Citation
3. SOURce
4. Source_Repository_Citation
5. REPOsitory


Second, the data

On the screen you are talking about we see 3 columns (left, center, right)

The left column is all about the SOURce record #3 above,
The center and right columns are about the the Source_Citation #2 above.

If you double click on the Source in the left column you will see more about the source and information about the REPOsitory #5 and the Source_Repository_Citation #4. ( titled "source repository" and. "Call number".

On the edit source screen you will also see a tab for "media" this is for media relating to the specific source, NOT to the source_citation.

On the screen you first ask about, the center and right columns relate to the Source_Citation. Media, notes, etc, all relate to the actual citation of the fact from the source. So here you would place the page number, notes and media about the source citation (NOT THE SOURCE).

Sooo. What this means is that. A SOURce is a general place (a book, a website category, an article, a census year). The source_citation is a specific place (book page, direct URL, article paragraph, census page) from the source. The repository is the place the book, article, web category, census material) was or could be found and the Source_Repository_Citation tells us how to find the source at the repository.

For books and library type material the what goes where is rather obvious, but web sites need a little thought. As a library and information specialist I like to organize all my things in a way that I can always get "like" data from the same place always.

Repository is the main web site and URL, Source_Repository_Citation is the URL of the source category, source is the actual category, Source_Citation is the URL of the actual data being cited.

Then this translates to:
1. URL for find a grave main page is the repository,
2. URL, SOURce, Source_Media are about the Cemetery where the grave is located.
3. URL, Citation, Citation_media are about the actual grave and marker.

Re: Also Consider a Text File Attached as Media

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 8:23PM GMT
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Re: Citing FAG

Posted: 9 Nov 2014 8:31PM GMT
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