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Re: The Genealogical Super Highway 600s To 1500s Royality&Royal Cousins

frispelt — 2012-02-26 23:55:47Z

You forgot the rest of the list of the in Scandinavia commonly known Skilfinga-dynasty; Yngvar, Eystein, Adils, Ottar, etc back to Agne (around y. 400) :) They have burial mounds with their names attached to them and figure in the Sagas, and in Beowulf.

These are saga material but also archealogical and partially proved, the debate about who's historical is still going on. Beyond that there is certain unvalidated proof that the Skilfinga has connections with the Amals ( Alareik = a relative in king Alrek) of the Gothic migration on the continent (that figures in for example the Hervarar Saga), and could also be the latter dynasty of the even older partly historical Ynglinga-dynasty overruling an elder culture, and starting with Yngve/(Frey)and his children the centuries after year 0, and the stories of Odin and other dynasties related to him. :) There is commonly known proof and serious debates about this (not the Odin part), but either way the first couple of names are certainly validated and could be added. :)

haakon v. MAGNUSON (b. 1270) illegalmite daughter search

JKnutson19 — 2012-01-19 16:59:52Z

according to my information haakon v. magnuson (born 1270) had a relationship with catherine sigurdsdotter. the result of that was agnes hakonsdatter (b. 1292). she would marry hofter jonson romerlike. there son was named jon (b. 1315). from there to me i have it filled in pretty good. but if anyone can help fill in more about catherine, agnes, hofter, and jon that be great. feel free to write me if can help.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

aspenridge — 2010-03-10 05:56:53Z

Hello there I do have this same family line and it does go back 7-8 generations to both the Losna and Semelenge Clan. My email is aspenridge@shaw.ca

Re: My family has ancestor belonging to Schøtte- family in Denmark or in Germany?

tuuretoivikko1 — 2010-02-26 15:14:47Z

My family has an ancestor belonging to Schøtte- family in Denmark or in Germany?

Has anyone knowledge about this?

-Tuure Toivikko

Re: Danish Court

2010-02-02 16:10:13Z

It was not the Danish court. It was the Norweigian court. His name was Ove Louvig born about 1865. My brother met someone when he was younger that had the Norweigian Guardsmen listed. He was with my father (who spoke Norweigian) and actually saw his photo.

Re: Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

vickisalvoni — 2010-02-02 16:07:44Z

Actually, Blanche was his grandmother. He was only 3 when Blanche killed his family, and he was spirited away by the Cistercian monks. The monks raised him in a world of peace and security. If you asked me to return to a scheming, murdering bunch of infighting "royals" and give up the only life he really remembered...leave the warm and beautiful northern Italy countryside for a land of strangers whose language he had probably forgotten, I'm thinking he didn't think it was worth it. As it was, he married a wealthy heiress, inherited a silk and agricultural estate, why leave? I wouldn't leave that for some promise of a bloody battle between people I never even knew in a foreign land, even if it was mine by right. If he wasn't raised to be greedy and power hungry, what more could a man ask for?

Re: Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

vickisalvoni — 2010-02-02 16:07:32Z

I encourage you to visit www.salvoni.us where you will see many of us listed. Salvoni is a very unusual name. You will also see a copy of the transcript of the letter that explains (in English and in ancient Italian) this story.

We are still trying to find official records, and my "cousin" is leaving for Italy this week to pursue this quest. He's from Lombardy and so is a native and knows his way around. He didn't find the letter in his grandfather's things until after he had moved to Canada.

If all this proves to be true, it would expose the dark side of the royals of that era, but you can find it out there today anyway if you look hard enough. My cousin is Salvoni by birth from a long line of Salvoni's that are supposed to go back to this original Magnussen. If DNA could prove a tie to the Magnussen line, I doubt if anyone would want that to be proven from their side so finding a volunteer descendant would be unlikely. Being female, all I can do is help with the web site and hope the truth is someday shown.

-Vicki

Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

vickisalvoni — 2010-02-02 16:06:56Z

And if they were poisoned and not dead of plague, and what happened to their son, little Erik. And what role Bo Gryps Jonsson played in the escape of the small boy.

Yes, I said he escaped. If you want to know more, post a reply.

Thanks,
Vicki

Captain of the Kings Guard Of Norway

zarzmom — 2004-06-21 01:11:34Z

I'm looking for information on my great-great uncle Ove Andreas Nelson (Nilson) Lovvig. I understand that there was a photograph with all the kingsmen on it. I'm interested on any information regarding this matter.

The Genealogical Super Highway 600s To 1500s Royality&Royal Cousins

eric_historian — 2007-05-22 23:55:56Z

Genealogical Super Highway 600s-1500s Royality&Royal Cousins:

(1)Braut-Ount Ingvarsson, King Of Sweden b. 638AD

(2)Ingjald Braut Onundsson, King Of Sweden b. 660AD
(I am unsure when either of these men died.)
Wife: Gatidhid Algautsson b.664AD Sweden

(3)Olaf "Tree Hewer" Ingjald, King Of Vestfold b. 682AD Vermaland, Vestfold, Norway
Wife: Solveig Halfdandatters b. 684AD Soleyum, Sweden

(4)Halfdan "White Leg" Olafsson, King Of The Upplanders b. 704AD Remerike, Norway
Wife: Asa Eysteinsdotter b. 705AD Uppland, Norway

(5)Eystein I, Halfdansson, King Of Vestfold, Norway
Brother: Godfrey Halfdansson, King Of Heidark

(6)Eystein I b. 725AD Raumarik, Vestfold d. 780AD, & Wife Hilda Eriksdatter b. 730AD Vestfold, Norway

(7)Halfdan II Milldi Eysteinsson, King Of Vestfold b. 750AD Western Scandinava d. 800 Borre, Vestfold, Norway
Wife: Hilf Dagdatter b. 755 Holturn, Norway

(8)Ivar I, Oplaendinge Halfdansson, Jarl Of Norway b. 778AD Uppland, Norway
Wife: Miss Eysteindatter b. 780AD Trondhiem Of Norway

(9)Eystein Glumra Ivarsson, Jarl Of the Upplands b. 810AD Denmark d. 890AD Maer Nord, Trondelag, Norway
Wife: Aseda Rognvaldsdatter b. 812AD Tondelag, Norway

(10)Rognvald "The Wise" Eystein, Jarl Of More b. 830Ad Maer, Nordtondel, Norway d. 890 Orkney Islands, Scotland
Wife: Hiltrude Raginhilde Hrolfsdottir b. 740 Orkney Islands, Scotland

(11)Rollo Rognvaldsson, Duke Of Normandy b. 360 Maer Nord-Trondeleg, Norway d. 932 Notre Dame, Roue, France

(12)William I "Longsword", Duke Of Normandy b. 891AD Roue, Normandy, France d. in battle 942AD, Picardy, France

(13)Richard I "The Fearless", Duke Of France b. 933AD Normandy, France d. 996AD Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France
Wife: Gunnora de Crepon b. 936AD Normandy, France d. 1031AD France

(14)Richard II, "The Good" Duke of Normandy b. 963AD Normandy, France d. 1026 Fecamp, Seine-Inferieure, France
Wife: Judith Of Normany b. 956AD Bretange, France d. 1017AD Normandy, France

(15)Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of Normandy b. 999AD Normandy, France d. 1035AD Nicea, Bithynia, Turkey
Wife: Herleve de Falais b. 1003 Falaise, Calvadose, France
d. 1050AD
Children: Alice Of Normandy, Richard III Duke Of Normandy,

(16)William I, "The Conqueror" King Of England b. 1024AD, Falaise,Calvados, Normandy d. 1087 Seine-Inferieure, France

(18)Father: Richard I "The Fearless" Duke Of France b. 933AD d. 996AD Fecamp, Seine, France
Spouse: Mistress Of Richard I

(19)Geoffrey Brionne b. 953AD Brionne, Normandy, France d. 996 Fecamp, Seine, Inferieue, France

(20)Gilbert FitzGodfrey Crispin, Count d'Eu & Brionne b. 1000AD Normandy, France- was assassinated 1040AD France
Wife: Gunnora d' Anjou b. 984AD France
Children: Richard FitzGilbert 1st Earl de Clare, Esilia Crispin

(21)Reginald Braose de Mohun b. 1002AD Paignton, Devon, England
Wife: Alice Briwere b. 1009AD Devonport, Devon, England -married about 1030AD
Children: Mary Braose Briwere I b. 1031AD (I would like to note here that this child in question was given to Gunnora d' Anjou whom renames the child Marie de' Anjou Brienne I.)

(22)Louis IV de Brienne Vicomte Of Beaumont b. 1024AD marries Marie d' Anjou Brienne (Age19) 1049AD
Children: Jean de Brienne Count Vicomte Of Beaumont b. 1050Ad Acre, Palestine d. 1236-37AD Constantinople, Turkey
Wife: Berengaria Alfonsez Of Leon, Spain

(23) Jean de Brienne, Count Vicomte Of Beaumont II married Berengere Castile de Leon; Jean de Brienne becomes the King Consort of Jerusalem and Emperor-Regient of Constantinople

(24)Robert Le Brus (The Bear) b. 1025 Normandy, France d. 1098AD Wife: Gunnora b. 1025 (I would note the date is unusual here and I have no information on this.)
Children: Roger de Pitres, William I Baron de Braose

(25)William I Baron de Braose b. 1040AD Briouze, Argentan, France, Normandy d. 1099AD Bramber, Sussex, England
Wife: Agnes de St. Clare b. 1048AD Normandy, France d. 1135 Holyland, Palestine
Children: Phillip I Baron de Braose, b. 1073AD Bramber, Sussex, England
Wife: Aenor de Totnes b. 1094AD Barnstable, Devon, England

(26)William II de Braouse 1st Baron Of Gwentland b. 1100AD Bramber, Sussex, England d. 1192 England
Wife: Bertha de Gloucester d. 1130AD Glouscester, Gloustershire, England
Children: William III 5th Baron de Braose, Lord Bramber b. 1153AD Bramber, Sussex, England d. 1210AD Corbenill, Marne, France

(27)William III 5th Baron de Braose Lord Of Bramber Wife: Maude de St. Valery b. 1155 Bramber, Sussex, England d. 1210 Corfe, Windsor, England; was nicknamed "The Org of Abergavenny" for having murdered several Welsh Princes and their families in Abergavenny about 1175AD. Both he and his wife fell out of favor with King John Lackland I and King John had his wife and eldest son arrested, they were taken to Windsor Castle where they were starved to death, William III fled to France and died there an broken man.

Re: Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

MichaelMyler501 — 2007-04-03 16:01:40Z

A very interesting site, good luck with your future research.

Re: Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

MichaelMyler501 — 2007-04-01 11:59:35Z

So did he have any family? Are their descendants of him alive ?

Re: King Harald Magnusson Gille

MichaelMyler501 — 2007-04-01 00:22:33Z

The name of his mother is unknown.

Re: Info on Erik Magnusson & Beatrix of Bavaria

MichaelMyler501 — 2007-04-01 00:05:33Z

I dont believe Erik escaped, he blamed his mother Blanche of Namur of poisoning him. If he had escaped why didnt he claim the throne?

Re: King Fairhair to Njord Noatum to Cleopatra??

2006-02-27 01:41:49Z

I'm inclined to side with you, my faith says that we are from Adam and Eve. So, who am I to challenge God's Word? I'm also related to Norwiegian Royalty. My Great Great Uncle was the Captain of the Kings Guard. I don't think I'm related to Cleopatra.

King Fairhair to Njord Noatum to Cleopatra??

normiepiglois — 2005-12-20 07:52:23Z

Ok...so I traced my family to 1500 in Vest Agder via my Bydeboker, then I found someone with a common ancestor, who had a line back to Harald Fairhair. Then I found another connection to Njord Noatum, then searching Ancestry.com I find people linking Njord to Cleopatra, and a bunch of other people with Njord in thier lines back to the dawn of time...

Im a creationist, and my faith has me believing that at some point we all go back to Adam and Eve. And I know that genealogy has many mistakes, and some websites have Njord Noatum as a king of the Swedes or a Norse God...

But my nice little hobby has got me scratching my head.

What do my cousins via Fairhair think???

I would love to know! Is there really a link? And I mean really, I am happy to be Norwegian Royality, but...Cleopatra?

Lois Gustafson Wullenweber

Re: Danish Court

Hugh_Watkins — 2005-09-05 20:04:59Z

more dates and names needed

do you know your Danish ancestors?

>> Eikaas from Jolster <<

Falster sounds more likely if Denmark

artist Ludvig Eikaas (born .1920),
but more norwegian

dnkcen Site Map http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/sitemap.html

Danish personal names and naming FAQ http://www.rootsweb.com/~dnkcen/FAQ/names.html

The references in the text to Diplomatarium Norvegicum (a collection of medieval charters)
Oluf Rygh: Norwegian Farm Names

Those Norwegian names, a little history and tips for online researchers

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SURNAME NAVIGATOR meta search with 4 Danish pages
SURNAME NAVIGATOR DENMARK

ou searched for: Eikaas [refine search]
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 3
Vital Records Index - Norway
1. Joen JOENSEN EIKAAS - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 30 Aug 1739 Fjelberg, Hordaland, Norway
2. Mette Sophie MONSDATTER EIKAAS - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 22 Sep 1873 Bergen, Hordaland, Norway
3. Inga Sophie Petrine CHRISTENSDATTER EIKAAS - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 30 Mar 1862 Bergen, Hordaland, Norway
Matches: Vital Records/Norway - 3

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:QJ64oFHISscJ:www.2manitow...

EIKAAS:
Hans.........................born .1852..to USA .New York......1893 May....1896 Oct 21

of an age to be married

Hugh W

Re: Danish Court

Hugh_Watkins — 2005-09-05 20:04:59Z

Norway was ruled by the Danish court

1022 King Canute the Great (of Denmark) conquered also Norway

1379
Marriage ties linked Norway with both Sweden and Denmark, and Queen Margarete, the wife of Haakon VI, succeeded in gaining control of the country as their son the king was only five years old. (He had, by the way, been elected King of Denmark already.)

1536
Norway becomes a subject of the Danish crown, little more than a Danish province. Danish becomes the written language of Norway. Reformation makes Norway Lutheran.

============================================

and then the Swedish court
1814
The peace treaty of Kiel gives Norway to Sweden. Norway declares independence at Eidsvoll, but after a short war against Sweden Norway agrees to a personal union with Sweden. The Norwegian constitution was written.

1905
The union with Sweden falls apart and Norway becomes an independent kingdom. The Danish prince Karl becomes king Haakon VII of Norway.

standard genealogy working back step by step
will find the lady in question
if the records survive

Hugh W

see
http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq63.html

more

http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/scn/faq61.html

Royal family news

http://www.norway.org/

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

2005-05-28 04:42:57Z

Chris; I don't know if you are still receiving the message board. In my family tree I have Anna Olsdtr born circa 1685, she is the mother of Ivar Torbjornsson Royrvik: Torkjell Knutsson Oma B. circa 1618, his wife was Sigrid Nilsdtr. does this seem close. Remember the last name usually was a farm name and not a family name, such as Oma.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

jurnie19991 — 2005-05-22 06:12:29Z

Lucretia Gautsdtr Dahl
Family 1: Nils (Semelenge) Jonsson

-- Magdalene Nilsdtr. Birth: ABT 1540 married Christen Christenson Trane Marriage: ABT 1574 they had

Christen Christenson Trane
Povel Christensen Trane
Magdelena Christensdtr. Trane
Kirsten Christensdtr. Trane

(notes for Magdelena: A ninth generation descendant of Erland of Odensland (b1240) She is of the noble family Dahl. )

-- Jens Jonsson Semelenge wife unknwn 1 child: Faltin Jens Landsrud

it continues on find one tree here http://www.ronneberg.org/ron/D0001/G0000014.html#I6938

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

2005-05-21 03:48:13Z

Hi Chris; having entered this correspodance late, I am not sure what it is exactly that you are asking. Have you connected your ancestry to Harald Haarfagre, or Harald Hardrada. I can send you to a site that if you have connected to either of these will take your ancestry back to 100 B.C. Harald Hardrada was Harald 1 gg grandson from his 2nd wife. My Ancestry to Harald 1 is through his 3rd wife. He had 4 wives that we know of, probably more and several concubines.
look at this site It'll take you quite a while to go through it because it is very extensive, covering several brances of families that are inter-related. The Lady that wrote this is a born Norwegian and collage professor of English in France. She put a lot of work into this research and has all of it backed up from records where the information is documented.
go to http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kelly.petit/806.htm
this should take you right to Harald Haarfagre Halvdansson (King Harald 1).
Hordaland is the area or county just north of the Hardanger Fjorden. Most everyone from that area is related to Harald in some way or another. My family came from Strandebarm on the north coast of the Hardanger fjord.
good luck, Colin

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

jurnie1999 — 2005-02-18 15:05:53Z

You can find alot of trees at Gencircles.com
here is the link for him on my tree
http://www.gencircles.com/users/jurnie1999/4/data/1642

and here is a complete listing of trees with him attached, That is if you are looking for the Hadrada. If you are looking for his 2nd Great Grandfather Harald Harfagri of Norway then just follow links back a few years on fathers side.

http://www.gencircles.com/globaltree/gosearch?f=*+Harald+III...

Re: King Harald Magnusson Gille

2005-01-27 19:05:43Z

Hi Chris:

In my own search for nobility in my own line, I found this out. Norway didn't have a King until the 1900's. I did find out that they were under danish rule until that time. So I contacted the Danish Embassy on line, and they directed me to the place where I might find out about the Military for the Danish King. My great great uncle was the Captain of the Kings guard. So I know the frustration you are having. I hope that this helps you out.
Kathi

King Harald Magnusson Gille

haak21 — 2005-01-25 19:07:58Z

i am looking for any info on Harald Gille. he was king of norway from 1130 to 1136. supposedly he was the illegitimate child of magnus bareleg when he was in ireland. i am wondering if anyone knows who haralds mother is and any info on her.

chris

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-09-16 15:15:23Z

ok....thanks for the info. i will have to check up on that. does the name Ulve appear in there anywhere? there are a couple of them that i ran across. they are Sigri Olsdatter Ulve, Ole Olson Ulve, and Ola Knutson Ulve.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

2004-09-16 14:27:27Z

This is the Only Knut Kvaale I find http://www.look.no/anita/slekt/webcards/wc46/wc46_072.htm

but doesnt go farther.

But YOU also have to remember theres Kvaale and Kvåle
search for both.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-09-16 04:28:50Z

i got a little farther but still didn't find the relative i am looking for. the one i am looking for is Eivind Knutson Vik (b. 17 Jan. 1771, d. 1838) he married Sigri Knutsdatter Kvaale (b. 9 Aug. 1770) i followed a link and would up finding Harold in the family but was wondering if there were any other links to back up the one i found.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-09-15 15:19:46Z

from what i can gather is that it is through Lucretia..if the info that i found is right she had a son named Jens Nilson Semelenge and then it goes on for another 6 generations or so. if you know of anywhere else i would be able to find out i would appreciate it. it would add a big piece to a part of my family tree

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

2004-09-15 14:26:49Z

I only have to the same. But Gaute Iverson Dal Valen and Guri Synneva Finne av Fimreite had 7 Children, are you off of Lucretia or one of the others?

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-09-15 04:40:32Z

thanks for the info...i think i can trace my tree back to him. but when i started with him and worked my way forward to get to my ancestor as close as i got was Lucretia Gautesdatter Dal (b: 1533 in Valen,Fjelberg,Hordaland,Norway) she married Nils Semelenge (b:1500 in Ron, Vesre Slidre) if you know where i can trace it farther forward to my ancestor i would appreciate it greatly...i would have to go about another 7 or 8 generations i believe to get to my mothers great-great-great grandfather who is the start of the link to harold.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-08-26 18:55:21Z

thanks for the info. i will take a look.

Re: King Harald Haarfagre

2004-08-26 16:44:54Z

Hi:
I received information that depending on when he ruled, he was either the danish king, Or the king of Sweden. I didn't realize that the scandinavians were all under one rule for a very long time. And that happened to be the danish. Hope this helps good luck. Also look under norwiegian history on your computer. That's where I found some interesting stuff

King Harald Haarfagre

haak21 — 2004-08-24 19:08:52Z

i was wondering if anyone knows where a family tree of King Harald Haarfagre would be? i would appreciate any info i can get. thanks...

Re: Danish Court

2004-07-21 14:14:32Z

Thanks.
Hans Eikaas is my great - great grandfather

His eldest daughter Louisa is my great grandmother.

Thanks for your info

Re: Danish Court

2004-07-20 16:01:17Z

Thank you for that information. I was not aware of that. No wonder I was going nuts trying to find this out. I will speak with my brother and ask him why he didn't inform me of this.
Thank you

Re: A Scandinavian Court?

2004-07-20 06:08:48Z

Sorry Mary,but neither I have any answer to the question. First when should this "messaliance" (it is not my word but the word probably for it at the time)? If it was in the 19 th centuary in Norway it must have been when the Bernadotte family ruled aswell in Norway. They are also well known for having "affairs". and "illegitime" children themself, at least some of the kings, begining with the first; Jean Baptist Bernadotte Karl XIV Johan (I do not know what number he had in Norway).
Norway have a very small aristochracy, probably because it was ruled from Copenhagen and Denmark for so many centuries before it had the union with Sweden.
This story about a lady in waiting and a royal guard is probably a often told story. I wouldn´t say it is not the truth. But to have the possibility to find them you must know when it occured and trying the "Eikaas" from "Jolster". Try to go in and search for the two names Eikås seems to be a village in Norway aswell I took a short quote from the internet below:

"Marte Nilsdtr. Eikaas was born in 1726 in EikÃ¥s, JÃ¸lster. She died in 1783 in SÃ¸reide, Fana. She married Daniel Daniels. Gjesdal in 1745 in JÃ¸lster"

it is a bit strange spelled but seems like it could be of interests for you. It seems to be much more in English aswell...
so try:
Eikaas
Eikås
Jolster

Sincerely Yours: Steve

Re: Danish Court

2004-07-19 22:19:41Z

My family is Norweigan. There is a story that an Eikaas man was a guard at the palace and married a lady in waiting. He brought her back to the farm in Jolster. She pined and died for her lively life at court. They did have children. Kind of sad.

Danish Court

2004-05-24 20:43:39Z

There is a story in my family that a male ancestor named Eikaas from Jolster was a palace guard. He married a lady in waiting to the queen. I had assumed that ladies who served the queen were daughters of earls or dukes if not princesses. Are there court records that would document 'scandals' of a lady running off with a guard?