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Baron Michael de Taube or Mikhail von Taube

Baron Michael de Taube or Mikhail von Taube

Posted: 1 Jan 2015 8:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: DE TAUBE or VON TAUBE
I believe Michael von Taube or de Taube is identical to my grandmothers cousin.Michel Taube.
I know that Amalie von Taube sister to my great grandfather Bernhard Sack was married to baron who lived in Kursk.St Petersbourg, Moskwa, Riga? and perhaps owned other houses in Tsibili and or on Crim. I do not know if Michel was married to Amalie or he was her son or a brother in law? I do not know when Amalie was born and if she was older or younger than my great grandfather who was born 1858. the parents were born 1829 and 1834 therefor she could have been born early enough to mother this Michel de Taube who was born in 1869. Amalie's grand father was named Michel and he died 1863 so it is very possible that she named a son after him. Amalie studied medicine at Zurich University and is mentioned in their historic files as having the address S. Taube in Kursk The S I first believed to be Selig ,but it could also have been Sender (Alexander) My grandmother seldom spoke out those two names when older since her husband Selig and her brother Sender were murdered in 1943 and 1941.
From my grandmother I know the Baron as he was called (No first name mentioned) owned 1 million square Virst of land.And he was a Banker, and economic adviser to the Czar. I also was told stories how the Czar visited and slept over with my family when visiting those cities where the Taube family lived. My aunt tells the shades for the windows had to be closed when the Czar visited and neighbors in the whole street were not allowed to go outside their homes.The Baron owned the biggest houses in each of those towns he had buildings in.
Amalie and her baron had 4 or 5 children , all academics. 3 or 4 boys and one daughter.The daughter was named Ivgenia (Ganna) or perhaps used the name Irene von Taube. I found some information that she perhaps managed to escape to either in Australia or South Africa. I tried to reach her but never succeded. Of the 3 sons one or two were Doctors, one was a Chemist no information about the last boy, my grandmother mentions he was in School .My grandmother was interviewed on a tape when she was close to 90 in 1981.The Taube children were older than her and my grandmother did not see them after the first World War.My grandmother was caught in Russia during the first World War and could not get back to Latvia before the war ended. In this period she studied opera at the Conservatory of St.Pertersbourg I do not have any names of the Taube sons and have no idea what happened to them. I know my grandmother had a cousin in South America.But I do not know who, I believe it was in Brazil. Amalie von Taube survived Stalin and in a letter to a nephew in Schweitzer land from 1946 tells she is in Siberia by a daughter or niece who also was a doctor ,together with her sister Minna .They kindly asks their nephews in USA and Davos and the niece in Norway to just forget about them and not to write them anymore and beg them not to send any packages since they are afraid of KGB. That was the last correspondence from them.Both women must have been close to 90 at that time. I have tried to find descendants of that branch of my family for more than 30 years. One thing more I know Michel von Taube was befriended with Tolstoy and there is much correspondence between the two. Hoping to find some information!
Best regards Pheya Yair

Re: Baron Michael de Taube or Mikhail von Taube

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 3:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Taube
Hello Pheya Yair,

I may know a little that might help you in your search of the von Taube's. I know that they are German/Swedish aristocrats. Sometimes they are referred to as Barons von Taube, Counts von Taube, and simply Barons Taube without the von. I know the Barons Taube were close to the Imperial Family and were friends with the Grand Duchesses and the Grand Duchess Vera Konstantinovna, born Duchess of Wurtemburg. I also know that there was an émigré named Baron Georgiy Nikolaevitch Taube (1890-1975) who lived in Freehold, New Jersey, USA. He was a writer of Marine Biology and was featured in the 1950's magazine "Life". I know that there are members of the Taube family in Paris due to the fact that Baron Mikhail Alexandrovich Taube lived and died in Paris. Baron Mikhail Taube (May 15, 1869, Pavlovsk, Russian Federation - November 29, 1961; Paris, France) was a famous Russian international lawyer, statesman and legal historian. Being a Catholic converted from Russian Orthodoxy, Taube came from an old Swedish-German family von Taube, known from the 13th century, one of the branches of Baltic Germans in the service of the Russian throne. I hope this gives you a lead to do your research.

Christopher Barrios de Leon

Re: Baron Michael de Taube or Mikhail von Taube

Posted: 9 Jan 2015 11:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Von Taube or de Taube ,Towe, Sack,Peretz, Porgess ,Zeitlin, Frank. Brodsky,Braude,Lubawitz
Dear Christopher Barrios de Leon
Thank you for the kind reply and for taking the time and interest to answer me. I attach a picture of this Michel von Taube who later lived in Paris that you write about. But in Russian Internet sites he is called Mikhail Mihaylovich de Taube so his father was also named Michael. I do not think it is the same man as the son of my Amalie (Sack) de Taube . I have the genealogy of one other Michael de Taube from a descendant in England and they have one Amalie in the documents, but not mine. I am totally puzzled that there were so many called Michael von Taube ? The Swedish noble Taube and Towe families are also Christians. I have contacted most of them, but nothing fits my branch. My grandmothers family had in married noble Jewish spouses on all branches, It was an extremely wealthy and educated family even 600 years back in time so they were of cause interesting spouses for any noble house Jewish or Christian! I am not so interested in whether he was Christian or noble just want to find some descendants from him and his woman. And if so lucky then I hope one of them can help me finding the last missing sister Elizabether nee Sack ?, who lived in St Petersbourg. I have wondered if my S. von Taube who is mentioned in one Russian list of Nobles as being Jewish , might have belonged to the so called branch of secret Christian Jews who followed the Frankists movement of Jacob Frank the supposed Sabbatai Zevi incarnation. There are some Internet sites that try to prove and find evidence that certain sides of my family tree were connected to this via the Brodsky/Braude lineage and a brother of the Alter Rebbe in the Lubawitz tree. And I have earlier tried to figure out if this could be the possibility with this line?
The wife of Amalie's brother Herman was buried in a Christian Cemetery in Zurich.And descendants remain Christian. Another line of my tree from the noble Porgess family also claim this to be part of their affiliation and so is said about Abraham Peretz the son in law of Yehoshua von Zeitlin (he was not entitled to use the" von" ,but people write it this way in the Internet because he was Court adviser to Potemkin). This agriculture minister Abraham Peretz is also in some texts rumored to have followed the false Messiah. And he was also part of my family tree.
So it might just be that those ancestor siblings that my family knew as Jewish might by others be known as Christian???
Thank You again dear Christopher and happy New Year and good health to you and your family,
Kindly yours Pheya Yair
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