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Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

bstuart63 — 2013-05-06 20:51:05Z

Would love to find more Stuart ancestry from Scotland. My great great grandfather was James Rutherford Stuart from Edinburgh Scotland. His parents died of cholera and we have no record beyond him. He was born August 12 1840 in Edinburgh and emigrated to Utah.

Re: US Presidential Bloodlines

rvc7500 — 2013-03-28 16:52:36Z

Good point. I think that any American with significant English ancestry, especially if they emigrated prior to the Revolution, would possibly be a descendant of the Plantagenet kings, and therefore Charlemagne. My ancestry can be traced (on my father's side) back to several of the Plantagenets. Many of my English ancestors were not the "huddled masses yearning to be free", but rather landowners who had become Quakers and left the British Isles to escape persecution. They were descendants of several noble families who had married into the royal family. However, to a conspiracy theorist, I might be a threat....

Re: crystal necklace-queens coronation dress

BarriosdeLeon — 2013-02-08 15:27:10Z

I saw this on the Royal School of Needlework website, I thought this might help.

The Queen's Coronation 1953
- Buckingham Palace exhibition this summer
Just over 1400 people visitors saw our Royal Connections exhibition
last year and one of the highlights was our Coronation Robe sampler.
Our tour guides were often asked when the actual Coronation Robe of
State would be exhibited, so we’re delighted to tell you that between 27
July and 29 September 2013 the robe will form part of a Royal
Collection exhibition at Buckingham Palace to mark the 60th
anniversary of the Coronation. On display will be a spectacular array of
dresses, uniform and robes worn by the principal royal party. Works of
art, paintings and objects used on the day will also be on display to
recreate the atmosphere of that extraordinary occasion. We hope that
some of our archives will form part of the exhibition.
More information at www.royalcollection.org.uk

Re: King Haakon VII & Queen Maud of Norway

robsmith6719 — 2013-02-03 17:12:59Z

Rosemary is my Mother - what information were you interested in.....?

I look forward to hearing from you,
Rob Smith

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

fstuart11 — 2013-02-03 01:35:51Z

Eric, Please stop directing any posting to me. I'm trying to get the lay of the land on the Stuart/Stewart families and that is all. I'm not from royalty and don't care about royalty.

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

fstuart11 — 2013-02-03 01:35:30Z

Did you ever get this tree scanned in ?
Thanks,
Fred

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

fstuart11 — 2013-02-03 01:35:12Z

I would like to see your family tree please once you scan it in.

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

scott75stu77 — 2013-02-02 04:22:22Z

my dads fathers name was josph he had my dad in 1932 he was born in beooklyn i dont no much more but that my dad said that his dad said we are related to mary just curious.

Re: Careful research

wedderburnkid — 2012-12-01 05:41:21Z

Hi
Yes I also have the same issue, if people keep putting on incorrect information, why keep going surely they see the hints that we would put on, dont they check those either? One wonders.
The other issue I am having is people who have family entered with same town they live in, which happens when the same town is in the USA, they ALWAYS put the USA entry instead, I always Google the name or address to double check new information, it has now taken me over a year to get most of it correct
That came about by me contacting the person who owns the tree taking the time to check their answers if you get one, as so many start on the free one then dont carry on, resulting in confusion and more research to find out more, then that may not be accurate either

Good luck to all with your research
Darlene

Re: Ladies in waiting to Queen Victoria

DeborahFitzpatrick24 — 2012-11-25 00:26:45Z

I was told that my Grandmother's Grandmother or family member was one of Queen Victoria's Ladies in Waiting. The only name I can locate is Charlotte L.Lane. Is there anyone listed with that name?

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

cadrad99 — 2012-10-24 19:40:33Z

My maternal great grandmother's family came to America from Alythe Scotland.Her father was Robert J.Robertson born in Perthshire, Scotland on July 2, 1819. His wife was Margaret Stuart Robertson Their family is in the lineage of the Stuart line in Scotland (Mary Queen of Scots, and Robert the Bruce)...Need help in tracking this lineage.My great grandmother was Emily Robertson Kirksey. She was the first child born in America after her family left Scotland..Thank you.

Re: crystal necklace-queens coronation dress

cbaker7 — 2012-09-12 20:58:21Z

I had managed to find out that it was designed by Norman Hartnell...but it would appear most other information about it was kept secret.
Its such a shame ive not been able to find out any more information about it, i did contact the keeper of the robes in regards to it and they replied saying that they didnt know alot other than it was made by Hartnell and that my best bet might be to get in contact with antiques roadshow or similar as people watching might come forward with matching ones or someone that knows more might contact, but i havent done this yet.
Thanks for your reply.
Ceri

Re: A 200 year old Family Mystery

LillyLee87 — 2012-09-07 20:22:12Z

I don't know anything really, but while I was searching for something else, I found your post. I could only copy and paste a section, but this is what I was going off of. Perhaps it is related.
"Genealogy of the House of Blount †
Description:
This family is descended in the male line from a younger son of Rodolf, third Comte de Guisnes (died 1036), a family closely connected with the ruling houses of Flanders, Normandy and Lorraine. Several of the family took part in the Norman Conp...
Submitted By: jackelliston"
And I just found this: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.blount/454/mb.ashx

Re: Lists of German royal households

halpark — 2012-08-21 16:30:15Z

Try googling Bavaria - you will get quite a bit to start with but be careful of Wikipedia. It can be useful for simple things but is to be taken with caution. However, they, as well as others, do sometimes give references to other publications. I am not surprised schools do not try to teach much about Europe, especially central Europe, it is far too complicated - but history as a whole is badly neglected. Pity. Best of luck.

Re: Lists of German royal households

HHilpert — 2012-08-21 15:33:12Z

Thanks.It gives me a place to start. While they teach some european history in school, there's a lot they don't teach. I'll have to look and see what english books i can find on bavarian history on Amazon or Barnes and Noble i can order,or get on an interlibrary loan, and read up on the period. Even a lot of the history of the United Kingdom, ie;Britian,Scotland, Wales and even Ireland isn't taught in schools.

Re: Lists of German royal households

halpark — 2012-08-20 22:47:29Z

Bavaria (Bayern) did not become a Kingdom until 1806 - so your ancestor could not have been a steward to the King of Bavaria in the 1690s. There were powerful Dukes and Electors for whom he may have worked but you will need to find out exactly who was in charge of which bit at that date as a starter - basically look up the history of Bavaria.

Re: crystal necklace-queens coronation dress

BarriosdeLeon — 2012-08-19 01:39:45Z

The dress was made by Norman Hartnell. There are quiet a few sites with information about Her Majesty's Coronation and wedding dress both made by the House of Hartnell.

Hope this helps.

C Barrios de Leon

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

BobHull45 — 2012-08-14 17:23:54Z

My maternal grandmother, Mary (Pritchard) Lush said her Uncle Peter Warnock could trace his ancestry back to Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots. Apparently our family didn't write it down, so now I'm trying to find it. Can you point me toward a source, please?
Robert E. Hull of Saratoga, CA

Re: Ladies in waiting to Queen Victoria

candacejohnson63 — 2012-06-24 03:54:24Z

Got a question My great mother is a Markham Helen C called Nellie thought there are some who say her name is Ellen C she married Edward A Tingley in Canada I think she was born in Manchester or Birmingham Eng. June 1867 she died in Farmington CT in 1907 She told her children that her Aunts or Aunt was a Lady in waiting to the Queen. I really have just about no info on her she is a huge Brick wall like she didn't mean to leave any info behind. Her Father was Thomas Markham and her Mother was Charlotte. Is there any way to find her and trace her story.
Candy

Re: US Presidential Bloodlines

mrtimmins — 2012-06-04 15:08:22Z

Not weird or unbelievable at all. Via simple mathematics, it is readily evident that a large fraction of all living persons with significant European descent are descended from Charlemagne (just as they would be for any other random person living in Europe ~40 generations ago who had lots of offspring).

Though I disagree with you about the likelihood, that doesn't mean I don't find it interesting....

That there is some elitism involved in who becomes president I have no doubt, but to pin this to a "sons of Charlemagne secret society" conspiracy theory is ludicrous, since easily hundreds of millions of people alive, including a significant fraction of all Americans, can claim the same "bloodline" (diluted to insignificance).

crystal necklace-queens coronation dress

cbaker7 — 2012-05-30 22:49:50Z

Hi
I have been asked by my mum to see if we can find out anything more about a crystal necklace she has just inherited.
We already know that my mum inherited it from her mother in law who inherited it from her mother in law - Ethel.
Ethel herself worked on the queens coronation dress as a dressmaker/seamstress.
When the dress was finished and the queen tried it on, she asked for a number of the crystals to be removed from the dress as it was too heavy, these crystals were shared out amoungst the workers who worked on the dress and were made into necklaces and bracelets. Which is what has just been passed down to my mum.
What with it being the queens diamond jubilee year we would just like to know a little about the necklace and whether any others survive.
I wasnt sure where to post this but am hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction.
Thanks
Ceri

Re: Mary Queen of Scots (Mary Stuart)

randicusack — 2012-05-19 22:35:28Z

it is my understanding that my children may be descendants of mary queen of scots. paternal grandmother maiden name of abbott. their paternal aunt is member of dar but is too ill to contact, i believe. any info would be great.

Re: How does one begin to search for illegitmate children linked to QV's court?

StLeonM — 2012-05-16 18:11:13Z

I think I have a similar problem (see my post of 18 March 2012 "A blue-blood chimney sweeper?").

Possible routes are:

Royal Archives
DNA of male descendants
Court circulars, published in daily newspapers, to see who was in and out of town at the time of conception and/or birth
Court of Chancery

There may be other routes but that's all I can suggest at the moment.

Ned Myers

photo66666 — 2012-05-16 13:32:27Z

James Fenimore Cooper clearly writes in this book The Life of Ned Myers, that Ned Myers was the God Son of Prince Edward. Prince Edward was Queen Victoria's father.

I would look up the Trent Affair. It give a good idea who were cousins.

Re: Moctezuma/Montezuma Dynasty DNA Project

photo66666 — 2012-05-16 13:29:12Z

I am working on if General Lew Wallace might be a relative of Chief Montezuma via Juan Velasques de Leon the chief guard to Chief Montezuma. Then the relationship of Juan de Leon and the de Leon family to Ceaser Borgia.

It seems there was more then a gold mask passed on to the Borgia family of Pope Alexander VI via the de Leon family.

Then a second line through Chief Powhatan and his daughter Pocahontas. Some English records suggest Chief Powhatan's mother was a descendent of Montezuma making King James Stuart a relative of Pocahontas through his grandmother.

Well that is if the blood line got into the Borgia Popes via the de Leon family 100 years before.

Re: Moctezuma/Montezuma Dynasty DNA Project

charitysue1 — 2012-05-02 21:54:36Z

Not all of Moctezumas children were involved in the litigation in Spain. I'm trying to find concrete evidence of the marriage between Petronila Moctezuma and martin Navarro. It would be interesting to compare DNA from someone from this part of family to family in Spain. This litigation is mentioned in the book by Donald Chipman regarding children of aztec royalty.

Re: US Presidential Bloodlines

DottieNelsonformerlyWethington — 2012-03-23 16:03:10Z

E-mail me at Reefedge@Yahoo.com-- I am doing research on this fascinating and almost unbelievable subject-it is really wierd stuff for sure!!!

Re: US Presidential Bloodlines

beverwat — 2012-03-03 15:54:46Z

e-mail me beverwat@yahoo.com I descend from British and French royalty. Would like to coverse with others of royal descent.

Information on Jack Storey - Story/Storey historian, Belfast

PatriciaStoryHoy — 2012-02-24 19:01:18Z

Hi - does anyone have any info. on the Jack Storey who often posted here on the Story/Storey family? I have heard that he has passed away but I dont know for sure. He organized a Story/Storey family reunion/heritage tour that my dad and I participated in in 2002. I have not seen any postings online from him in some time.

Re: Moctezuma/Montezuma Dynasty DNA Project

gpf131 — 2012-01-14 19:15:23Z

There are a number of real historical references that that make this connection, so it is most likely pretty solid. I have been looking for documented descendants of the Sotelo de Moctezumas as this is one of the alleged ancestries of Petronila de Moctezuma.

There is a brief, tantalizing reference in the Codex Chimalpahin that suggests other Sotelo de Moctezuma descendants, but without naming any of them.

I have only recently seen a document in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara that actually names Petronila de Moctezuma and Martin Navarro. So I am pretty sure they did indeed exist. However, anything of their antecedents, at this point, is pure speculation as there seems to be no information. There is a cryptic reference is some of Jaime Holcomb's work, but I cannot locate it, and no one that I have corresponded with can produce it: so this is of little to no value.

The relevant historical texts do not mention them. They were apparently not involved in the extensive litigation of Moctezuma's descendents to get rights to the various encomiendas handed out by Cortez, or to get grants from the Spanish monarchy. There was too much money involved here not to have been involved, which suggests to me that Petronila de Moctezuma may not have been a descendant of Moctezuma.

Re: Mary Queen of Scots - Storys of Bingfield, Cavan

ferronicola — 2012-01-10 19:43:09Z

Hi Patricia, I think we are indeed 4th cousins (based in France but heading home to NZ soon). I have some info and some interesting documents that came from my grandmother Vera Story (Robert's daughter). I did receive some info about Mary QoS on this thread but never managed to trace back. This said I did find a connection back to Edward IV (Robert's father's mother's father's father's father's father's father's father's father's father's father's sister was married to Edward IV in the late 1400s (he was the grandfather of Henry VIII)...this is known as the River's connection. I can share some of the doc's including Vera's memoires where she does mention Oswald briefly: After their daughter was born Florence Emily became very ill, and eventually died of cancer of the breast. Robert resigned his commission on account of his ill-health. For some time he rather drifted with nothing special to do. Then he had a chance to EO to New Zealand with his naval brother Oswald who was in command of H.M.S. Opal. Oswald married Miss Olave Baldwin, granddaughter of Hon. Andrew Buchanan, the Doctor who built Chingford of which now only the stone stables remain, and the grounds are a Public Park. Can you mail me at ferro_nicola@hotmail.com if you are interested. Regards Nicola

Re: Mary Queen of Scots - Storys of Bingfield, Cavan

PatriciaStoryHoy — 2012-01-10 18:32:24Z

Hi - I'm a great granddaughter of William Oswald Story also of Bingfield - I think Robert was William Oswald's brother? If so that makes us fourth cousins! I am in Canada - are you in NZ or Australia?

I have done a lot of research on this family line and have not found any link to Mary Queen of Scots, unfortunately. I have, however, found direct links to other aristocratic families, including the Boleyns (Mary Boleyn - which could make us descendants of King Henry VIII - if you believe that he fathered Mary's children) as well as the Spencer family - Princes William and Harry are my 9th cousins (and likely yours too). I do have a direct link to the Stuart dynasty through the wife of William Oswald Story - Olave Janet Baldwin (Buchanan family of Dunedin/Christchurch area (Chingfield) NZ) who is 22 generations descended from the Stuarts.

Re: Moctezuma/Montezuma Dynasty DNA Project

hoerwig — 2011-12-24 06:08:08Z

Greetings, JohnnyPJ! It appears that you and my wife are distantly related as she descends from the Ruiz de Esparzas, Romo de Vivars and the Escaleras back to old Moctezuma himself. I have been given reason to believe that the Leonor de Moctezuma who married Cristobal de Valderrama may have been Moctezuma's daughter by another woman and thus half-sister to Isabel. Of course, Isabel de Moctezuma had a daughter named Leonor with Hernando Cortez which seems to cause some confusion. I wonder if you have proof of the connection of our Leonor as daughter to Princess Isabel?

Re: Careful research

ewd76 — 2011-12-23 03:46:14Z

There's a lot of junk out there for sure. Take these "hints" too seriously and you wind up being descended from fictional characters.

Re: Vassa King-Sweden ????????

Davef102003 — 2011-12-12 17:36:36Z

Hi,
I'm tracing the lineage of Joseph Hoar, 1845-1919, and it appears that his parents might be Mathew Hoar/Hore and Catherine Amy. I'd like to know who offered you this information such that I might verify it.
Thanks,
Dave francis

How does one begin to search for illegitmate children linked to QV's court?

KateWooddell — 2011-12-05 00:39:44Z

I am deadended trying to locate real birth information for my husband's great-great grandfather, Alfred "Rayfield," b. 1863, supposedly to Thomas and Mary Ann [nee Smith] Rayfield of Clerkenwell. Family lore describes how a carriage bearing the crest of the Queen's Court would visit periodically and a veiled lady would bring toys for Alfred and payments for his support. Alfred is also described by the rest of the family as having been a "true gentleman" in demeanor all his life. I noticed that Alfred fits neatly into the biannual births of the seven Rayfield children, as number five. Perhaps his mother, Mary Ann Rayfield, was a wet nurse for someone, lost a child and became a convenient adoptive mother with few folks the wiser. How do I even begin to search for veracity? Or some alternative truth?

Careful research

Wheat_Charlotte — 2011-12-02 19:00:03Z

I have only been on Ancestry.com for a short period but in that time I have noticed some erroneous data that is being perpetrated in many many family trees. If you have a York relation and it ends up with Richard Plantagenet or Richard of York King of England it cannot be right. Richard the III's only male child died as a child and Richard died without a male heir. His line died with him. The same is true for his brother Edward who was also King of England. Both his male heirs were supposedly killed by the aforementioned Richard after the death of Edward IV. And although they were considered of the House of York..York would not have been their surname. In order to have correct information, each person who adds someone to their tree from someone else's tree must make sure that entry is a correct entry. I have also seen entries where the parents listed are younger than the person that they are supposed to be the parents of...This too is an impossible feat. So check entries carefully and check the dates...if it can't be right don't add it and keep the errors going.

Vassa King-Sweden ????????

thetreeclimber — 2011-11-03 02:25:09Z

This was offered to me as a lineage (based on my own work I might add with an earlier generation tagged on the end)

Phillip HOAR– born 1890, ENGLAND (Cornwall), died 1974 Queensland, AUSTRALIA

Matthew HOAR – born 1798 ENGLAND
Married
Catherine (Kitty) AMY born 1810 ENGLAND

Father of Catherine AMY
John AMY – born 1775-1853 ENGLAND (Cornwall)
Mother of Catherine AMY – Ann Olive dates unknown

Father of John AMY
Moses AMY 1749-1826 CORNWALL, ENGLAND
Ann BATES 1750-1823 CORNWALL, ENGLAND

Mother of Ann Bates
Martha VIVIAN born 1727 England
Father of Ann Bates
William BATES born 1707 ENGLAND - this appears to be wrong

This was offered to me as the lead in to claims of a relationship to one of the Vasa Kings of Sweden – I was not told which one.

All comments welcome.

Re: A 200 year old Family Mystery

TillerTaylor26 — 2011-07-19 10:42:20Z

Hello, I suppose you know that de Guise is was the family name of Mary Queen of Scots' mother. Her family were all French and because of this she was considered as, and became the wife, at the age of 7, to the old King of France, Louis, I can't remember which one. After his death she returned to England and was married off to Robert Darnley and then married Bothwell, the rest, as they say is history. I hope this helps, not sure if it does. The name is definately French.

Re: Are there any records on "Equerry"

canyon149 — 2011-06-10 17:48:03Z

Just to add some general information to what Liz has already provided, an equerry “is essentially a military [appointment] which is invariably filled by a service or retired officer of the Armed Forces”. (Ronald Allison and Sarah Riddell, Royal Encyclopedia, London: Macmillan Press, 1991, p. 176.) For example, HM The Queen has two equerries – a senior/permanent one known as the Deputy Master of the Household and a junior one known as the Junior Equerry. The Junior Equerry, whose appointment lasts three years, wears his service uniform while on duty. He is in “close attendance upon Her Majesty at many of her public engagements”, whether outdoors (say, at a public function) or indoors (say, at an investiture). (RE, p. 176.) Unfortunately, the entry for ‘equerry’ in this publication does not seem to mention who is an assistant to an equerry or what his duties are.

If your individual in question died in 1948, then he was likely an equerry’s assistant during the reigns of King George V (1910-1936), King Edward VIII (1936), or King George VI (1936-1952). Take a look at thePeerage.com (at http://www.thepeerage.com/index_royal.htm) where you’ll find an “Index to the Royal Household”. This index lists various office holders, such as Equerries, Aides-de-Camp (whose functions are similar to Equerries), Private Secretaries, and more.

Re: Mary Queen of Scots - Storys of Bingfield, Cavan

skhusba1882 — 2011-06-09 03:19:50Z

Dear ferronicoa i would send you what I have, no guarantees on accuracy, It's what I have pieced together from ancestry and the Book of Peerage.. if you could email me at sasklady75@gmail.com I would get back to you, I am unable to get your email from here. tks skhusba

Re: Mary Queen of Scots - Storys of Bingfield, Cavan

ferronicola — 2011-06-08 20:51:02Z

Hi SK I note you have the lineage back to Mary Queen of Scots would you be able to send this to me. I am the Great Granddaughter of Robert Story of Bingfield, Cavan...

Re: Are there any records on "Equerry"

Liz_Hayward — 2011-05-21 08:56:02Z

Hi,

I am not sure if you mean the UK Royal Family? (Sorry if I missed that point.) However - if you do - you can write to the Archivist at Windsor Castle.

They keep most of the records at Windsor Castle and the Archivist is very helpful. You do have to write an "old fashioned" letter though, and be patient for the reply!

Here is the address:
The Registrar
The Royal Archives
Round Tower
Windsor Castle
Windsor
Berkshire SL4 1NJ

Give them as much information as you can, dates etc and they will reply, albeit slowly - and in a very smart envelope!

Good luck,

Liz

PS Some Royal records are at Kew, but I had a similar question to yours and the answer was at Windsor so it's worth a try.

Kaiser Wilhelm II household

dogdoc13078 — 2011-05-13 21:25:34Z

I am looking for any information on the last Kaiser's personal chamberlain, known as "daddy" Schulz. Apparently, he was a relative of mine-- according to family history!

Are there any records on "Equerry"

golferrb — 2011-05-08 19:08:42Z

Can any one help.
Are there any records on "Equerry", and if so where would I go and look for this information.

As I have someone who was an assistant to the King's Equerry.
Which was on a death certificate.
Who died in 1948. (age 54)

Re: Mary Queen of Scots - Storys of Bingfield, Cavan

skhusba1882 — 2011-04-15 17:49:52Z

dear Elizabeth I am one of those searching the alicia napier connection. My husband is a Husband descended from Alicia and John Husband. In trying to learn more about Alicia I came across the grave monument of her father Francis Napier, and she appears to have died age 18/20.?? I have the lineage back to Mary Queen of Scot, but it may not be our line.. can you send any info on Alicia. Alicia Husband died in the insane asylum in toronto in 1873.

are you researching the Eliza Husband Duncan McTavish line?

barba bush

jaystanford78418 — 2011-04-03 22:38:37Z

her grategrandfather was thomas stanford born at 1530 in england

Re: Link to Plantagenet to Charlemange Line

jdsneedrn — 2011-04-02 03:52:10Z

Check out my tree, Our trees split at Hugh Courtenay.

Re: James William Baxter a valet early 1800s.

EdwardClarke43 — 2011-03-08 11:41:42Z

Thanks for your reply. I have been looking for this for some years now and have looked at many different types of record. With regard to the Census data, for the period 1841 and 1851 in the most likely area of London there are pages which are completely illegible and there are some schedules which are missing and have not been found by the new indexing that has been done recently. Just my luck! I was hoping there might be some family memories from branches that I have not reached. We should have spent more time with older relatives before they died. Thanks for your interest.

Re: James William Baxter a valet early 1800s.

warncoort1 — 2011-03-08 08:39:53Z

Census may assist.