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Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

SunZollern — 2013-05-15 22:43:34Z

Welcome to the club. My familly have a confirmed realation to Wilhelm II. He is my great grandfather.

Don't know much about my great grandmother who he got a son with outside of marriage. My grandfather son of the Kaiser was born in the beginning of 1900 in Norway.

Does anybody here know anything who my great grandmother is, please contact me

Re: von Hassel

whassel01 — 2013-03-14 20:35:08Z

Hi, There are Hassel's in Philadelphia as well. My family has always said our name was Von Hassel before they came to America.

From what I have researchd Hassel is not a common name.

Perhaps we all are related somehow! I knowmy great grandfather was Freidrich Von Hassel, though Freidrich is probably common..

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

kelko33 — 2013-03-02 00:57:12Z

Hello, I had an Uncle George Von Hassel, he was my Dads brother. Not sure if he is the same one you are looking for. I have been trying to trace our tree for years. But with all the family gone it's hard to do.

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

gustavobuntinx — 2013-02-20 09:49:12Z

Thank you, indeed, for that valuable information. I will be following up on it and I will gladly share with you my own findings.

Gustavo

von Watzdorf

seanschmidt — 2013-01-30 06:04:26Z

Hello, has anyone come across the surname von Watzdorf? I have an ancestor, Johanne Dorothea Albertine Auguste von Watzdorf (1792-1827) in Altenburg, that I am trying to research. I have found some references to the history of the family, coat of arms, form castles, etc. but few details.

Many thanks,
Sean

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

dbuck7876 — 2013-01-22 11:22:45Z

Gustavo Buntinx,
Turns out, that after landing in NY 18 Dec 1928, von Hassel got on the Olympic and sailed for Southampton, arriving 30 Dec 1928. Record here at Ancestry.com

Also, the Library of Congress digitized newspaper site, Chronicling America, has a full-page New York Tribune article, "Adventures and Observations Among the Putumayos in the Rubber Lands, 15 September 1912, that quotes von Hassel & features a large portrait of "Dr. and Mrs. Von Hassel," here,
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1912-09-15...

Finally, if you search NewspaperArchive.com you'll find couple early 1900s -- 1905 & 1907 -- investment ads for rubbe companies with which von Hassel was associated, and as well a search of books.google.com will turn up a number of histories of Amazonia in which he is mentoned. Dan

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

GvonStudnitz — 2013-01-21 21:54:54Z

I'm not sure what you mean by "major lexicon of the German nobility", but the von Hassel family is indeed listed in the Gotha (Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels), lastly in the Briefadel edition of 1984. The unrelated von Hassell family is also listed, lastly in the Briefadel edition of 1990.

Re: Linger Lenger Michels Thelen in Milwaukee's German Newspapers Index

rebholzgary — 2013-01-20 14:10:56Z

"... George and Anna's daughter, Eva MICHELS married Dr. Christian LENGER/LINGER, son of Christian LENGER (Sr.). His
family originated in the Rhineland/Pfalz area..so this could be a connection for you ..."

Eva Michels Linger's death notices were published in the local German papers. Possibly some children for that Linger family too. There are about 20 combined spellings of LENGER/LINGER in the growing collection: "Milwaukee's German Newspapers; an index of death notices and related items" (1844-1950).

I've responded elsewhere about the 60+ Michels and 75 Thelen surname entries (Georg Thelen in 1871, 1877 or 1881?)

Gary Rebholz, compiler/editor
Milwaukee Wis.
gary.rebholz@gmail.com
Indexing Milwaukee's German newspapers continuously since 2007... helping to access our historic German-American culture.

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

symbols5 — 2013-01-20 00:49:19Z

I agree with the previous reply, and am adding additional information:

On the ship manifest for S.S. Essequibo,the ship that Georg Von Hassel arrived in New York on 12/18/28, there is a visa #69 issued on 12/1/28. The details associated with this record should provide more information than already discovered. Since it is more than 75 years ago, it appears to be available at the National Archives. These are located in The Records of the Foreign Service Posts of the Department of State under record groups 84.2 and 84.3. They are on microfilm. This may reveal which of the 12 places in germany named Hassel are related to his surname. Parish records that survived in Berlin may also be necessary. The surname Von Hassel does not appear in the major lexicon of german nobility. Jeff.

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

dbuck7876 — 2013-01-18 03:55:05Z

Gustavo,
If you search Ancestry.co US & Germany, you will find three records for Georg von Hassel, two 1912 Hamburg/NY passenger lists (same voyage, one is a German record & the other a US), and one 1928 Callao/NY list.

Von Hassel's birth date is estimated at 1869/70.
Dan

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

dbuck7876 — 2013-01-17 21:50:01Z

Back in 1993 I published in SOUTH AMERICAN EXPLORER an article, "Fights of Machu Picchu," in which Jorge von Hassel has a prominent role. The article is online, here,
http://lastdaysoftheincas.com/wordpress/englishman-and-germa...

I may have other info on him; would require looking in my files. He signed a photo of himself, "von Hassel," so I assume that's the spelling.
Dan Buck

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

marthamax8405 — 2012-12-31 17:55:30Z

My family has a rumor too. My grandmother always told us that her mother or the mother before was a servant of sir kaiser and ended up pregnant with his child. She had to then flee so she could keep it. Id like to think im of royal blood but i wish there was a way to prove it by dna or something.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

whoru222 — 2012-08-26 18:48:26Z

That sounds like the right area of the country. I am doing research too, I was told Kaiser Wihelm is my great grandfather, my grandpa ended up in Chicago for a bit and moved a lot between Chicago and CA.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

whoru222 — 2012-08-26 18:46:15Z

Kaiser Wilhelm is according to my family, my great grandfather too.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

whoru222 — 2012-08-26 18:45:15Z

Though I have not done the proper research I fear, my grandfather who immigrated from Germany as a boy, told me that Kaiser Wilhelm is my great grandfather. I do not know what my grandpa's real name was, he said he had to change his name when he moved to America. The name he went by hear was Clearnace Beyer. When he became stricken with Alzheimer, my family started calling him Oscar, much is kept from me, but, know I'm some relation

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86 — 2012-08-24 14:15:51Z

Wow, sounds like to fully track this down is going to require a lot more research. Might be something left for a professonal with more knowledge on the area.

I haven't been able to find a newspaper about the wedding but what brought them to the town was the two daughters. There father owned a pottery factory that they took over and ran into the early 1900's.

If i do find anything i will be sure to post it on the list. Thanks for the reply.

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86 — 2012-08-24 14:12:22Z

The Herr family has a tradition of naming people the same name i believe we are up to IV for both Robert Columbus Herr(My father III and Brother IV) and for Albert's as well.

Rosa was his wife and she was one of two sisters that albert and Joe married. Rosa was born in Louisiana from what i can tell.

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

jonathanmrazek — 2012-08-24 13:12:38Z

Hi my name is Jonathan Mrazek My email is jonathan.mrazek@gmail.com i have some information on the story of your gg grandfather as i now own the Albert Herr House or you can call me 901-674-4000 as i also have questions about the former owners of my house thanks again jonathan

Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

gustavobuntinx — 2012-08-09 19:01:15Z

I am an art historian based in Lima, Peru. I am currently involved in protracted academic research on Juan Manuel Figueroa Aznar, an important photographer and painter active in Cuzco and Paucartambo during the first half of the twentieth century. I have reason to believe that at some time he became associated with the German explorer and geologist George M. Von Hassel (a.k.a. Jorge M Von Hassel), who performed very important services in the pioneer surveying of the Amazonian frontier lands.

Unfortunately, there seems to be very little documentation available on Georg Von Hassel, other than his own fascinating chronicles of the explorations he undertook under commission of the Peruvian government. We even lack the dates of his birth and his death.

Georg Von Hassel (or his wife, or his daughter) might have resided in the United States. Certain references in the Library of Congress database identify him with Fides Von Hassel. A person with that same name, but with an additional “l”, seems to be buried in the Fort Lincoln cemetery, at Brentwood, Prince George's County, in Maryland, according to the information published by www.findagrave.com.

This was posted by Thomas Reachmack, whom I have been unable to contact. His entry further refers that “Mrs. Von Hassell was a dear friend of the John Reachmack family of Wahshington, D.C. She was a Peruvian and her husband was born in Germany and was a geologist”.

Any information regarding this matter would be most appreciated and duly acknowledged.

Re: Maria Ludwig Von Pestalozza

Mohnbauer — 2012-08-09 18:13:43Z

it´s a HE - so if - could only be a father:
http://www.geneall.net/D/per_page.php?id=1821118

do you mean another female member of the family?

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

gustavobuntinx — 2012-08-08 05:52:12Z

Thank you for your response. Indeed, Von Hassel and Von Hassell are two different families, but there is a high probability of misspelling, particularly in references that involve non-German speaking countries.

Again, I appreciate your input.

Gustavo Buntinx

Re: Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

GvonStudnitz — 2012-08-08 02:41:03Z

Unfortunately I can't tell you anything about this particular person, but can tell you the von Hassel and von Hassell are two completely unrelated families. You might check the 1917 volume of the Gothaisches Genealogisches Taschenbuch (Briefadel), which includes the older generations of the von Hassel family.

Gilbert von Studnitz

Georg Von Hassel (or Hassell) / Fides Von Hassel (or Hassel)

gustavobuntinx — 2012-08-07 20:04:36Z

Re: John Parish (1742-1829) von Senftenberg

nmbcoll — 2012-07-18 16:44:15Z

There are details of John Parish's Robertson descendants in my 'From Clan to Regiment' (2007). ISBN 978-1844155491. Copies are available from me at a reduced price. Nicholas Maclean-Bristol, Breacachadh Castle, Isle of Coll, Argyll, Scotland PA78 6TB

Re: Need help verifying the parents of Heinrich Sigismund von der HEYDE (Prussian Colonel)

asher1981 — 2012-05-08 20:52:56Z

my name is joshua and i trace my family back to heinrich sigismund von der heyde through johann heinrich heyde who came to the u.s. in the 1750,s i would like to know if you ever came up with the book you spoke about i would love to know more .....

thank you

Re: german nobility???

PineFly1 — 2012-05-03 15:17:22Z

Google Bks. has [had?] a directory of Austrian nobility. I can't locate it quickly; but, you might try to find that.

There seem to be numerous references to persons named Zänglein, on the web, but I cannot find any to "von Zänglein" or "v. Zänglein."

I very much doubt stories of titles being sold, or otherwise used as property.

Re: german nobility???

mandcgrining — 2012-05-03 10:58:34Z

Hi Viv,
I noticed that this thread was back in 2006 but I'm wondering if you had any further information on the Zanglein's in Europe? My connection is Paulus Zanglein 1812-1878 came to Tasmania with his family - on entry to Australia the name was changed to Singline. We have been able to trace back as far as George Michael Zanglein b 1761 Heidelberg d 1842
Hoping that you can help!
Thanks
Mat

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

PineFly1 — 2012-04-14 18:21:41Z

"HERR" in US Censuses, Mississippi, at Heritage Quest:

HERR ALBERT61MWGERMMSMARSHALL HOLLY SPRINGS 1920 (implies birth abt. 1859 --- could be son of your Albert, or of Joseph?)

HERR ALBERT52MWEUROMSMARSHALL 4-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1910

HERR ALBERT41MWGERMMSMARSHALL 4-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1900

HERR JOSEPH26MWBADEMSMARSHALL 5-WD HOLLY SPRINGS 1870 (b. abt. 1844)

In 1870, Joseph has wife Rosa.

It appears that the Albert in 1900 / 1910 / 1920 is the same (b. 1859)

Re: Prince Albert? No.. not that one

PineFly1 — 2012-04-14 18:20:35Z

Very intriguing story, indeed. Younger sons of important noble houses coming to America are not at all unknown. I believe there was a Hohenzollern that did so.

If your ancestor were truly in a "royal" house, your search is limited. [Of course, Baden, while sovereign, was only made "royal" rather recently.] I just briefly scanned through the house of Baden entries in the online Gotha, looking for brothers born around the time you suggest. No luck. It occurs to me that "Albert" and "Joseph" may have been "Rufnamen" and not the first in the sometimes agonizingly long lists of given names, especially in royal families.

Were your ancestors from non-royal, but families of the highest nobility, your search becomes instantly more elaborate. I would focus first, of course, on such families seated in Baden. But, I'm not sure any list of "Fürstlich," say, families would readily give you their home territories. It could turn out to be quite a job, unless you are familiar with the materials and history.

Have you looked for newspaper accounts of the weddings in Holly Springs? I wonder if there were some enterprise that brought Germans to that town ... some connection. In that regard, I am thinking of my great grandfather, who found a position with the zinc rolling mills, in La Salle, Illinois, that were owned and operated by German immigrants. Another great grandfather, early upon arrival, here, worked on the Eads Bridge, St. Louis. For some reason, I believe that project's engineering was in charge of a German; and, likely, word got back to the technical high school, where my grt. grdfthr was studying.

Best of luck with your searches. I hope that if you, or anyone else, finds anything on this, that the results will find their way onto this list. Thank you.

Prince Albert? No.. not that one

dcherr86 — 2012-04-12 15:31:03Z

Hello, I am looking for information on german royalty in the mid 19th century. Below I will tell what info i have gathered on my gg grandfather and hope someone might point me in the right direction.

-I have an ancestor , Albert Herr, that has multiple stories of him being part of a royal family. The story is he was way down the line, 7th or 8th and he left Germany around 1870 for America and changed his last name. He had a brother Joeseph that came as well and they married sisters in Holly Springs MS shortly after immigrating. Rumored to be a arranged marriage in my family.

-On a passport application he states he was born in Elzach, Germany, baden. This re-eforces a story of him going back to germany later in life that I have been told. The family story continues that he came back to america when the Nazi's where coming to power.

-When back in the us there is another story, from the county he live in ms, that tells of him having his nurse/servant burn his royal papers on his death bed and the reasoning for him burning them i have heard multiple stories.

This is only a few things that point to the possibilty through stories and some documents i have been told or found. Does Anyone know of an Albert born in 1849(though his passport application says 1848 which we believe is false becasue even his tombstone says 1849.) that left germany as a prince, Having a brother named Joseph?

Re: Papen

kpape149 — 2012-03-08 02:17:59Z

REally? Maybe you (or she) have some info that could fill in some of my blanks!! Where do you live? I'm in Rancho Mirage, Ca...near Palm Springs. I have several holes in my family history :*(

Re: Papen

gabia2012 — 2012-03-07 22:30:44Z

Hey:) my mother is Michelle Papen daughter of Heinz Papen has told me Franz Von Papen is her third uncle, which is very interesting.

Re: German Nobility

CKlindtCobb — 2011-12-06 00:14:52Z

I am looking for any members of my family and ancestors of Wulff that is from royalty/ nobility along with the Klindtworth from Germany. We have limited information on our ancestors. Heinrich "henry" Klindtworth and his older brother Joseph came from Buxtehude, Germany in 1874. Joseph was killed later in the 1906 Earthquake in San Francisco. At this time we are looking for a wife that he may have had, and any children. Heinrich married a Caroline "Lena" Hoff who was from Germany. They had a son and many other children as well, but Joseph married Erica Wulff. Many of our members have lived in Ca, ND, SD, Minn, Germany, Conn, OR, Mass, and Tx, and all over the place:) I do know what Fredrick Wulff is my ggggfather and he was an officer in the German Army in the mid 1800s, He was married unknown to us who she is. They raised the family in Schleswig Province, Preussen Germany. Fredrick was a diplomat from Germany to Denmark. He had a son named Ludwig Wulff. We have no info on him or his wife: Antonette S. they met at a party in Denmark. She was the daughter of a diplomat from Spain and she was polish and Spanish, they married in 1886. I do know they had children as well, one girl was Erica Wulff. We have no info. on her either. I am hoping i may be able to find any information on any of our ancestors. I would appreciate any info you may have or think u have... If possible and u think their may be a connection please email or mess me. We still have family in Germany. Their is also family with the names: Blair, all of the above mentiond, Simundson, Nygard, Smith, Barta, Emerson, Johnson, Schoenhit, Bryon, Bondel, Vervell, Thompson, Werven, Hartman just to name a few. I know we still have tons of family in Germany, Sweden, and Denmark and it would be wonderful to be able to share with my children the joys of having a wonderful family tree :) I appreciate your time & Happy Holidays to all!!!!!Cathy Klindt-Cobb

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

shericahalan — 2011-12-04 22:52:16Z

Kaiser Wilhelm 11 was my grandfathers great great uncle. My grandfathers name was Harry Wilhelm.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

swach1051 — 2011-07-29 05:07:26Z

It sounds like my Great-Grandfather's chronology comes after the dates you mention--he was born in 1872 in Galicia, which is after the men you are tracing emigrated to America. It sounds like there's no cross-over. He married a woman from the lower nobility in Posen--Emma Meta von Etter, and they emigrated to America in 1906 with two young children. (Another was born on the boat.)

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

ddwisema — 2011-07-29 04:42:46Z

We have our DNA test results, our Haplogroup is R1b. This is the largest Haplogroup in Europe, and we have three matches within 10 generations. The names are Kropp,Wise,Weese.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

ddwisema — 2011-07-29 04:32:23Z

Hi
Frederick Riemer, born 1847 left Germany about 1869 with two brothers,to avoid service in the military.
After he got settled in America he sent for his mother and girlfriend, Frances Augusta Wendorf, they arrived in 1870.
Frederick's father was Johann, and he died in 1869 and we have found his death record in Germany and I believe it said he was a blacksmith.
We have done a DNA test on the Riemer Paternal line to see if we match a family who's last name is Rimer. Our Haplogroup is R1b.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

drbishil_1 — 2011-07-29 04:17:35Z

My grandfather was also born with a withered hand. He said his grandfather was also born with a withered hand. This story was passed down along with the coat of arms story, and my great-great grandfather being sent to the U.S. to protect him for the turmoil in Germany.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

drbishil_1 — 2011-07-29 04:11:45Z

Thank you it was a great start.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

drbishil_1 — 2011-07-29 04:08:54Z

I am still looking for my great grandfather's name, I can only find the name Harry Devlin, which I doubt is his real name, but family members swear there was a coat of arms with the Rimer name last seen in the 70"s/

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

SWach105 — 2011-07-28 06:02:34Z

I happened upon your note and was struck by some parallels. My great grandfather was also a blacksmith who worked for the Kaiser in his younger years (app 1890 - 1900--those are extremely approximate dates). His name, as far as I have been able to deduce, was Johann Rudolph Zimmermann, and he lived in the Posen area of Poland for much of his life. Before emigrating to America he also traveled around Germany selling de Laval cream separators. I would love to learn more of your side of things, and discover if possibly the two men's lives intersected.

Re: Dropping the Von

PineFly1 — 2011-07-06 14:11:01Z

There is a reference to a "Joh. v. Mahlow (1367)" in Codex Diplomaticus Brandenburgensis, a collection of records from the Margaraviate of Brandenburg. This work is searchable at Google Books. I'm sorry, I don't have time to figure out the context of this reference.

Re: Dropping the Von

PineFly1 — 2011-07-06 12:39:46Z

A quick look at the index at www.edelleute.de, site of the Institut Deutscher Adelsforschung, brings up no examples of "Mahlow, v." Neither does a search on their index of the entire range of the gothäische genealogische Taschenbücher.

While the absence of the name in these lists is not dispositive, I would begin to suspect the family legend.

Happy searching.

Dropping the Von

dazetohaze — 2011-07-06 08:04:23Z

I need help trying to find out if my family could be decendents of German nobility I know there is a town called Mahlow in Germany its just south of berlin and I know my great grandfather was born in potsdamn Germany I was also told my last name was Von Mahlow but the Von was dropped by my great grand father during WWI due to the treatment of Germans by Americans during the war ..... IF anyone could help that would be great

Maria Ludwig Von Pestalozza

Ronald_Brandt — 2011-05-10 09:47:54Z

looking for info. on Maria Ludwig Von Pestalozza of Germany don't know much about her only that she is related to the Brand family in Germany maybe the mother of Countess josefine brand my GG aunt of Munchen Thanks

Countess of Pestalozza,Germany

Ronald_Brandt — 2011-05-10 08:48:39Z

looking for my gg aunt Josefine Brand who was born countess of Pestalozza b.oct. 27,1827 at castel Pirka, and d. nov. 10 1897 in Munchen.I have a mass card for her from my grandmother. My GG grandmother Fanny Brand married a Josef Gross they had 14 children 4 died in a fire i think in Gredings Germany. Fanny Brand 's parents were Johann & Catharine Brand.Can anyone help me.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

PineFly1 — 2011-04-25 21:12:46Z

Dear List contributor.

A surname of Wilhelm/~i does not, I think, increase the liklihood of having some connection to the Hohenzollerns. This is getting to be a long-ish thread; but, I still recommend that you read through the responses to other queries similar to yours. The late Kaiser's ancestry and descent are well known and available on the web. Entries on this thread give some good website references for you to search.

If the connection were through someone with a surname other than Wilhelmi, you would have to do some work before anyone, here, could help you.

As always, check with relatives first to get what details on the case are to be had from your end.

Re: Kaiser Wilhelm lineage

DeDraco66 — 2011-04-25 19:22:54Z

I would also be interested in finding out if my branch of the family is related to the Kaiser. My dad's name is Gordon Wilhelmi. He Grew Up in Wisconsin. His dad's name was Ralph. I believe he also grew up in Wi. He was born in 1909ish.

Re: Bidembach - Count Ludwig I

BattleGround_bschaue — 2011-04-15 15:59:10Z

Thanks again. I did have that information as well. Wikipedia is great, but I always double check the sourcing on that.

Re: Bidembach - Count Ludwig I

Bistritz — 2011-04-15 13:24:39Z

According to: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Bidembach this is implied, though there her last name is spelled as Wirtemberger. That page also lists a couple of online resources which may be of help to you.