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Hungarian Baroness

Hungarian Baroness (View posts)
Posted: 2 May 2005 7:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
My wife is a descendent of the Baron of Hungary. I would like to know if she is able to use her title.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Lajos Reich (View posts)
Posted: 2 May 2005 8:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
No, she can not use it in Hungary. At 1945, the first democratic government (The communists got power only after1947-48) stopped the privileges of the noblemen, and forbidded to use the graf, baron, etc names.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Hungarian Baroness (View posts)
Posted: 2 May 2005 7:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
My wife's grandmother who is the daughter of the Baron of Hungary still has all her papers but she was sent to a concentration camp when the Russians invaded Hungary during the war. They escaped and fled to North America in 1956, therefore my wife is first generation American and her grandmother is writing a book that will be made into a film. My wife is a descendent of the Bagy or Bagi family in Budapest, Hungary.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 11 Jan 2006 1:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
I found no noble "Bag(i/y)" but several "Baghy" families. Your pron. is possibly wrong.
The book of Bela Kempelen mentions 8 different Baghy families, three of them used a predicate:
- Baghy de Tarpa (nobility 1588)
- Baghy de Szécsény (1622)
- Baghy de Harsány (1647)
- Baghy (alias Szücs, 1669)
- Baghy (1633)
- Baghy (alias Godor, 1646)
- Baghy (1697)
- Baghy (1684)

all of them were untitled; so no barons. You should clarify which of them belongs to you. (If you need than I could send you a bit more extended info about the families above).

Independent of the juridical question Lajos Reich already mentioned, nobility (and titles) inheritage went by the male line. So g-mother was noble as a child of a noble family, but not anymore here children if she not married a nobleman... BUT anyhow the children ARE descendants of that family and, I personally think, anchestrial history should be important enough to invest some research work!

good luck, regards, Ervin

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 15 Dec 2007 2:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
You seem to have some knowlege as to Hungarian royalty. Who was Baroness Aponi? I'm not sure of the spelling.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 15 Dec 2007 5:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
The family you're asking for is the Apponyi de Nagy-Appony family.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 15 Dec 2007 9:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
My husband's Aunt was born in 1911 in Hungary and the Baroness of which I'm trying to identify was her godmother. As a young girl she traveled with the Baroness including a trip to England. The story goes that the baroness had a son.

Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 15 Dec 2007 11:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
I think she may have been a countess rather than a baroness. There were quite a number of notable Countess Apponyis, but I don't see any who were baronesses. You would need to know her given name. I presume that since she "had a son" she had married a Count Apponyi.

The Apponyi family was very old and distinguished. I believe that according to Nagy Iván, it dates back to the time of the Arpad dynasty, in the 13th century. The Counts Apponyi were Hungarian magnates.

Perhaps the most notable Countess Apponyi was Clotilde (1867-1942). She was married to Count Albert Apponyi and had a son, György (1898-1970), and two daughters. She had a quite remarkable life.

You will find much information on her and other Countess Apponyis by Googling "Countess Apponyi."

Janet



Re: Hungarian Baroness

Posted: 15 Dec 2007 12:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. My memory of the whole story is a little vague but was confirmed by my husbands mother.The Aunt first married the body guard/ military commander associated with this family. He had to put up $30,000 to assure her well being. As a wedding gift a train box car arrived in Budapest with furniture from one of the, I'll say castles as a guess. I guess her first marriage was about 1930. It is more difficult to do European genealogy since I only speak English.
I'd really like to study more about this family and her life. Thank you again.

Cheryl

Apponyi de Nagy-Apponyi family

Posted: 18 Aug 2013 7:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Aug 2013 7:56PM GMT
Surnames: Appony de Nagy-Apponyi
Hello Cheryl,

Also, Geraldine of the Albanians was born a Apponyi de Nagy-Apponyi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_of_Albania

http://wn.com/geraldine_apponyi

I think that there are many sources of information about the Apponyi de Nagy-Apponyi family in English on the web and also there are new books out on Hungarian Nobility.

kindly,

Christopher B de L
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