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funeral expense "ice attendance"

krisgock — 2013-05-23 02:02:21Z

found a list of my ancestors funeral expenses and one of the items listed is 'ice attendance' - $5 charge in 1895. There's also a charge for 'gloves' for $.96. What is 'ice attendance' and why is there a charge for gloves (and who are they for?!).

thanks, Kris

Re: Non-Conformist Register

daharlow1 — 2013-04-09 17:36:07Z

I don't know your context, but English residents who weren't Anglican (ie: Presbyterian, Catholic, Puritan) were considered non-conformists.

Re: Freehold Grave

PamelaWagster — 2012-12-16 20:42:22Z

I am wondering if the freehold means that the family had bought the burial plot and there were other members of the family also buried there. I don't think they owned the land just the right to who could be buried in that plot.

Freehold Grave

mafiacls — 2012-12-16 20:07:19Z

Freehold Grave what does this mean ??

Re: Question

timtracker — 2012-12-15 00:08:21Z

I presume you are referring to cousin relationships.

The term 'removed' in this sense means that the individual is from a different generation of your family. So, children of your uncle are just first cousin.

Your first cousins children are first cousins, once removed.

The children of this next generation are first cousins, twice removed.

The same principle applies to all other cousins, ie, second or third cousins.

Question

CherylBaker64 — 2012-12-14 18:16:08Z

Not sure where to ask this question, but what does it mean when you have some one who has been like twice removed?

What does 'Ors ' mean? Ireland Civil Registration- Deaths

sharoncconnor — 2012-11-05 13:00:32Z

You're gonna be my "go-to" person from now on!! Thanks.

Want another challenge? In an Ireland Civil Registration- Deaths, there are two entries, thus:
Jane Clark Ors Farrel
Jane Farrel Ors Clark
I think Ors is like aka, but I can't figure if those surnames are maiden names or if one is a former married name. Know about that? (No more questions after this, I promise!!)
Sharon

Re: What does 'Ors ' mean?

sharoncconnor — 2012-11-05 13:00:12Z

I'm not clear how to apply the Ors as "others" in a court case to a name in a death index. The two separate entries of
Jane Clark Ors Farrell and Jane Farrell Ors Clark seem to indicate this is the same person albeit with different surnames at one time or another.
I've never seen this before, so it's puzzling. I would like to ascertain if this Jane who married an Abraham Farrell was married before (and to a Clark).
Thanks for taking the time with me on this.
Sharon

Re: What does 'Ors ' mean?

gpetrin169 — 2012-11-05 12:59:59Z

Ors

An abbreviation, meaning "others", used in case names.
Example:

Afzal, R (on the application of) v Election Court & Ors [2005] EWCA Civ 647

Not necessarily married or maiden, just another name not specified.

Re: What does 'instant' mean?

gpetrin169 — 2012-11-05 12:59:17Z

Instant, abbrev. inst. means of the same month. It is used also in obituary and in most 19th century literature. Ultimo, means the prior month.

What does 'instant' mean?

sharoncconnor — 2012-11-05 12:59:04Z

Ask and ye shall receive! Thanks alot.

Here's another question: On baptisms, the date of birth might say "...baptized on the 15th of Jan, born on the 10th instant of the lawful marriage..." What does 'instant' mean? I think 'ultimo' means the prior month.

Death Certificate listed burial as "providence"?

pintobat — 2012-07-27 04:37:57Z

I don't know what this means. It does not mean Providence Rhode Island, this was a burial in Ontario, Canada. Would it be that they didn'thave money for a proper burial? What does 'providence' mean?

Thanks for any info - I can't find the answer I've been looking for!

Non-Conformist Register

Davina_Hanson — 2012-06-16 22:36:38Z

What does the term Non Conformist Register mean on a birth record?

Re: meaning of "tithe" on personal property tax

BrianMartin629 — 2012-06-07 17:50:50Z

I believe it is old English for a tenth. If you goggle, Meaning of: tithe. And then click the item at the top of the list, it tells you that. I think a tithe on two horses would be a tenth of their value. (I think it can also be a small payment of about a tenth.)

Brian

Re: Strange double dates

C0113c70r — 2012-04-18 20:52:35Z

Thanx. I never would have thought of that. The way that you explained the strange dates on that site makes perfect sense. Also, thanks for the link and explanation of double dates. Very useful to a novice researcher like myself.

Re: Strange double dates

LHSwisher — 2012-04-18 04:14:25Z

It sounds as though the info was put into a software program that spit out a narrative, but that misinterpreted the info. A double date would be 1744/1745-1838. Double dating is the result of the switch from the Julian to Gregorian calendars in the British Empire (which included what would become the USA)in 1752.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

Strange double dates

C0113c70r — 2012-04-17 22:05:02Z

I have found a lot of info on many of my ancestors from the website at juch.org, but I cannot understand many of the dates. They appear to be "double dates", but span periods of many years. For example, at http://www.juch.org/fontaine/pafg10.asp the following is given three-quarters down the page...

49 F iv Sarah Fontaine was born in 1744 in Charles City Co., VA. She died in 1745/1838.

From what I understand of double-dates, 1745/1838 is not a valid date (and FTM doesn't like it either).

Can anyone shed some light on what dates like this mean?

Thank you - Roy

Re: Birth index

halpark — 2012-02-23 22:09:00Z

I would support the suggestion that you ignore it - these "inferred" counties seem to be figments of the transcriber's imagination - I have actually seen on entry where the "inferred county" was Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Surrey. Make of that what you will. As said you can always look at the original image. Good luck.

Re: Birth index

BelleRinger — 2012-01-30 14:30:23Z

I'm afraid the only value the inferred county has is to assist in the search function on Ancestry, and of course it only really helps if they've got it right.

The best thing to do is to look at the actual image, which doesn't have a county on it at all, just the registration district.

If you could do with some help with your research, you could post a specific query on the appropriate surname/location/topic board and I'm sure you'll get a response. :-)

Christine

Re: Birth index

clairewaters2009 — 2012-01-30 00:03:22Z

do you think there is a slight chance it is on there because it has some value? to cut a long story short,their are births in stafford with same surname and same mothers maiden name..stafford and shopshire are near to each other?or am i grasping at straws??

Re: Birth index

BelleRinger — 2012-01-29 13:59:35Z

This looks like an error made by the compilers of the Ancestry indexes, as the county is not listed on the original GRO indexes and has been added supposedly to assist in searching for the entries on here. There are quite a few instances where it's wrong, but you can safely ignore it for your own purposes I should think. If you're concerned that others may find it misleading, you could contact Ancestry to try and get them to amend it.

Christine

Birth index

clairewaters2009 — 2012-01-28 21:00:42Z

does this make sense to anyone?
a birth in bristol registered on birth index as
Registration district : Bristol
inferred county :shopshire..??
this is no where nr bristol and is not a one off as is the same on all my name s sibblings??
any help on reading records would be fantastic!!
thank you

meaning of "tithe" on personal property tax

BarbWelty — 2011-06-30 12:33:30Z

Can anyone direct me to a resource for understanding the meaning of :
"One tithe 2 horses", etc. on Personal Property Tax records of the late 1700s in VA?
Any other help on understanding how this assessment was made in regards to the specific mention of "Mulattoes" and "Free Negroes" after a person's name would be helpful.
Thank you very much.

Re: Parish information

BelleRinger — 2011-05-21 20:28:45Z

Hi Rick,

This is a bit obscure, but I've recently been looking for the definition myself, and came across this information on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate

Scroll down to the History section.... don't know how accurate it is, but it seems plausible.

Christine

Re: Parish information

halpark — 2011-05-21 12:14:33Z

Parsons (vicars or rectors) always had a house for their use but income was dependent on other factors - maybe fields rented out, tithes and duties etc. In older records one would find the value of a "living" quoted, e.g. "£1000 per annum" (if they were lucky!!) but whether that included an assessed value of the rent for the house I am not sure - I have a feeling that it did not. The differing values of the "living" was the reason why many people held two, or maybe three, "livings" in the 18th-19th centuries. Because they were allotted through various forms of patronage if you got in with the right patron, it was possible to be quite well off - even if the parishioners of two of your parishes only saw you once a year. Or you employed a poor curate to do the work at a pittance. You are however, on the right track, a "living" was basically the income received by the incumbent of a parish - vicar or rector. Good luck with it.

Re: Parish information

rickaindow — 2011-05-21 05:55:36Z

Hi,

Thanks for your reply, I believe that the "living is a rectory/vicarage etc" is what the vicar/rector/pastor/priest received per annum in that parish and because they changed quite often, a house/vicarage,rectory was provided?

I suppose I needed confirmation that I was on the right track?

Thank again

Rick

Re: Can you translate this old acronym / abbreviation for me?

LHSwisher — 2011-05-21 04:02:20Z

Maybe "Really And Sincerely Love You"?
(Just a guess; I've never heard of this before.)

Re: Can you translate this old acronym / abbreviation for me?

halpark — 2011-05-20 23:20:42Z

"Really and surely/seriously/sincerely love you "? - Just suggestions.

Re: Parish information

halpark — 2011-05-20 23:17:36Z

Don't know all the details but there was a difference between a "Rector" and a "Vicar", as far as the Anglican church was concerned anyway. A parish was known as a "living" as in "he applied for/obtained the Living of St. J.... in O..." so I imagine the phrase must indicate that soime particular "Living" was a "Rectory" rather than a "Vicarage" - but don't ask me exactly what the difference was. In the village I was brought up in we lived next door to the "Rectory" and the incumbent was the "Rector". When I went to college my room mate was the daughter of a "Vicar" and lived in the "Vicarage". Hope this helps a bit.

Parish information

rickaindow — 2011-05-15 13:49:07Z

Hi,

Can anyone tell me the definition of the phrase
'The living is a rectory' as often seen in local parish information

Re: Can you translate this old acronym / abbreviation for me?

Natell1983 — 2011-05-14 17:40:57Z

Ahh thanks Caroline!

Just need R.A.S.L.Y now! :)

N xxx

Re: Can you translate this old acronym / abbreviation for me?

carobradford — 2011-05-14 17:04:05Z

Hi Nat

R.A.S.L.Y has me stumped. B.O.L.T.O.P is Better On Lips Than On Paper.

Best wishes

Caroline

Can you translate this old acronym / abbreviation for me?

Natell1983 — 2011-05-14 16:49:26Z

Hi everyone

Really hoping you can help me. Ok so everyone knows S.W.A.L.K means 'Sealed with a loving kiss' but I've been given a pic of my Grandma and she wrote a lovely message to my Grandad on the back with the following acronym on it.
I really want to find out what it means as my Dad never knew his Mum as she was killed when he was 3 and now I've finally managed to get him a pic of her, I'd love to be able to tell him what it is so he has some insight into her and my Grandad's relationship. This is it:

R.A.S.L.Y
B.O.L.T.O.P

Can you help please?

Nat xxx

Re: Term INMATE on death record

stevebny357 — 2011-04-16 04:32:19Z

From the context, I would say he's using a different meaning of the word "inmate", meaning "one who
lives with another". In other words, referring to himself as an inmate means the son was living with the father.

Re: what does Race - am mean?

RenEsc — 2011-01-24 20:18:34Z

I am being to believe that is correct because the other family members I have found now are white, the name was misspelled so I didn't make the connection.

Thank you to all of you

Re: what does Race - am mean?

geisten — 2011-01-24 20:01:48Z

After skimming through some of the other certificates, I noticed there were others also with "am" as choice for race...but there were also many with "white."

Makes me wonder as these were all in Texas, if the person who was entering "am" was using that as "American" as opposed to one of Mexican birth???

Virginia

Re: what does Race - am mean?

halpark — 2011-01-24 09:47:09Z

Only a suggestion, and cannot see how it could be proved, but could it be that the person who recorded it, for some reason or other just mixed up "nationality" with "race"? Good luck anyway,

Re: what does Race - am mean?

RenEsc — 2011-01-24 02:55:31Z

Fair enough thanks

Re: Death Certificate information

halpark — 2011-01-23 15:55:34Z

Only a suggestion but it might be that the certificate was used for official purposes at some time and was stamped returned as proof that whoever had sent it back.

Re: what does Race - am mean?

halpark — 2011-01-23 10:06:36Z

I would have thought so, but in the absence of any other suggestion?

Re: what does Race - am mean?

RenEsc — 2011-01-23 03:16:52Z

Doesn't american meal all of us born in the states no matter what race we are? white, black indian, hispanic

Re: vocabulary problem

halpark — 2011-01-23 01:57:41Z

I am pretty sure that there was no such thing as a plantation anywhere in Ireland or elsewhere in the British Isles. We had farms, holdings or estates. The word plantation has been used, but I think more in modern times, but only in the sense of a relatively small group/area of trees usually planted for commercial purposes. Plantation is a very colonial word - India, tea, Malaysia, rubber.

Re: "Held the livings" mean?

halpark — 2011-01-23 01:50:45Z

Being the Rector or Vicar of a parish was described as "holding the living". Sometimes when parishes had very small livings, or were very small parishes one person could hold two or three. In the 18th century "livings" were often given by patronage, leading to some scandalous situations where one man could hold the livings of several parishes miles apart, meaning that he drew the money but only visited once a year or something similar. In such cases a curate was often appointed on a pittance and the absent holder pocketed the rest. Very nie for some. The expression "held the livings" could however also just refer to his career, he had moved from one place to another at different dates.

Re: what does Race - am mean?

halpark — 2011-01-23 01:42:09Z

American?

what does Race - am mean?

RenEsc — 2011-01-20 19:45:30Z

I was looking for info on family search for my relatives Jeptha Findley and Lizzie Blair and came across the following document, however what is the race am?

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=reco...

Re: 10th instants

IndieMack — 2011-01-16 11:28:59Z

It means he died on the 10th day of that month

10th instants

carolinemcnamara72 — 2011-01-16 11:24:26Z

hello everyone
can you please help i was reading a acticale in the paper on my gg grandfathers death and it says that he died in the "10TH INSTANTS" what does that mean ? that he died perhaps at 10am
many thanks
Caroline

Re: "Held the livings" mean?

BelleRinger — 2010-12-30 10:42:38Z

Hi,

I've wondered about this too. I think that the "living" refers to at least some if not all of the remuneration for the vicar or rector of the parish or parishes named. In old trade directories you often see phrases such as "the living is a rectory, yearly value £180" sometimes gifted by a particular person (the patron), and held by a named incumbent.

Christine

"Held the livings" mean?

baraboo84 — 2010-12-29 23:46:36Z

What does "held the livings" mean?

Example:

"He also held the livings of Mobberley and Davenham in Cheshire [...]"

Re: vocabulary problem

marty11778 — 2010-12-09 02:56:18Z

All I can tell you is that the people who used in, in the research I have done, were definitely not Irish. They were German and English, mainly.