Genealogical Scams - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: LAWRENCE WOODCOCK

tim_65 — 2013-05-14 15:48:14Z

Perhaps contacting the well known site that took the payment would illicit some progress?

It's always worth double checking your own spam folders 1st to check if they've sent you anything you've missed.

Re: LAWRENCE WOODCOCK

sconnolly58 — 2013-04-26 10:26:00Z

I had an offer by the above mentioned name to do some research recently and of course other than the first email have had no response. This was through a well know War record site. An amount of 102.00 taken out of my bank account. My bank is investigating where the money went.

Re: Find A Grave

fizzbomb — 2013-04-25 17:14:04Z

I agree with katinwy60 that "most of the contributors are great people", although I would add a small caveat "most of the contributors **who understand the purpose of Find A Grave** are great people". Understanding the purpose should be essential to using any website. People arrive at Find A Grave expecting it to be a genealogy site. Most of the problems arise from trying to make it something it is not.

The Help forum is good if the new person does not expect the site to change the policies for them. It sounds ridiculous but new people seem to expect that and then get mad when others in the Help forum try to explain why it's not going to happen.

Re: Findagrave isn't a nice place

fizzbomb — 2013-04-25 17:04:33Z

Genuine Guide said "Why bother putting tombstone pictures of strangers on a public website if you aren't going to share them?"

Oh, but anything you see on the internt IS being shared. On the web-site of the photographer's (aka copyright owner's) choosing. Feel free to create a text link TO that site.

Genuine Guide said "It would take more than one lifetime to search the entire internet and find a picture one believed was the picture one took while standing in front of a tombstone. Then, there's the tedious, legal process to wade through in order to have it removed from one website, then another and so on."

Actually, it doesn't take very much time for either the searching or submitting a DMCA take-down notice.

GenuineGuide said "When a relative sees a picture of their loved ones tombstone, most will save and copy and share it with other family members."

Saving to your own computer and keeping it for your own records is probably fine under the "Fair Use" copyright exemption. If the "sharing" with other family members involves publishing (i.e. posting) on a web-site, that is blatant infringement UNLESS the photographer has granted permission. And why shouldn't the relative or family researcher take the time to ask? The worst possible thing that could happen was the photographer says "No". Unfortunately, too many relatives and family researchers have not yet learned to ask or to accept that answer.

GenuineGuide said "I left because memorials that I worked hard to create, were snatched from me and given to a friend of an admin."

Were the memorials you created duplicates? How do you know the other person was "a friend of an admin"? There is probably another side to this story.

GenuineGuide said "At findagrave, it's not about our loved ones or finding ancestors and distant cousins. It's about the money."

Since Find A Grave is NOT a genealogy site, of course it is not about "finding ancestors and distant cousins". Considering it is a free site (unlike the site we are on now), it's hard to understand how it is "about the money".

Approach from Heir Hunter

CarolineCharles1980 — 2013-04-24 12:00:16Z

Has anyone been approached via this site by Willow Tree Family Search, an heir hunter before. Trying to validate approach.

Re: Newspaperarchives

barbdale_1 — 2013-04-22 01:49:50Z

I think people are confusing two separate sites. Newspaperarchives.com is a commercial site. The National Archives site, Chronicling America, is a free site from the library of congress, but limited in what it provides.
In my experience, library of congress site is more difficult to search, and the scope of papers and years is too limited.

Re: Newspaperarchives

barbdale_1 — 2013-04-22 01:45:32Z

I often use the Linkpendium site, which lists the newspapers that are available at Newspaper Archives, and I can confirm that some newspapers that used to be on the Archives site are no longer there, so no it is not "libel"

Re: Newspaperarchives

Kmeissner60 — 2013-04-21 03:11:40Z

I went to check out the changes they have made. I am sorry to say it is not the web page it used to be. I had so much fun just entering any name or event and up can the page from the paper I chose. You can not do that anymore. It is too bad and it makes me sad that our National Archives are so difficult to navigate.
Kmeissner

Re: Newspaperarchives

susanwmosey — 2013-04-19 16:13:25Z

Do you mean newspaperarchive.com?
I'm a new member, and I haven't had any of these problems.

Re: FAMILYTREEGUIDE.COM and MYHERITAGE.COM Phishing Sites

kirkbogle58 — 2013-04-13 20:50:07Z

DAMN*
I was taken in.
went to log in to "My" tree and login fails. No contact site admin, no help, no recover password.
at least I used a fake address
For my tree - it's all public anyway and no living folks on it but still...

Re: Find A Grave -- Urch Mistakes

johoule — 2013-04-05 18:52:06Z

I did exactly that. Sent a message to the contributor to correct a name spelling and he transfered the memorial to me to correct.
I respect that since he did the leg work.

Re: Find A Grave

dreamcraftmw — 2013-04-05 18:51:32Z

My brief experience with Find A Grave is that many contributors are so busy racing against each other to add memorials from obits online of people they do not know, that they make large numbers of mistakes, and are then insulted and angered when asked to correct their data. My experience on their forum is that moderators and members are quick to judge and attack posters, even stoop to name calling, who are simply asking for advice and clarification of the rules. This is not a nice place to be part of if you are looking for a nice community to join.

Re: Find A Grave

katinwy60 — 2013-04-05 18:49:43Z

Unfortunately it has gotten that way although most of the contributors are great people. With others, it seems to be a race to see who can accumulate the most memorials, even though most have no information at all beyond the name of the deceased. I would also advise anyone using the site to avoid the forums, especially the help forum.

Re: Find A Grave -- Urch Mistakes

lewisjl1 — 2013-04-05 18:48:55Z

Have you considered just following the process in place? Take a few minutes and read the FAQs (they are like operating instructions). Corrections can be made by contacting the other contributor, and if they don't respond, it can be sent to the administrators for editing. It may take a little time to get the issues resolved, but in the long run, it will be more productive than going about it your way.

Find A Grave website -- Urch Mistakes

HertfordTerrys — 2013-04-05 18:48:15Z

You know what,that is a good idea. I have found numerous mistakes posted by "Steve" regarding the Urch family at Maplewood Cemetery in Illinois. It appears if you are a member you can hi-jack a name and change the information from what it originally was and add family members incorrectly and so on. I've searched all morning for a way to correct this and the heck with correcting his mistake when I can do exactly what you suggested. It bothered me because he took my Great Aunt and gave her a new husband and children and ignored her real husband right there next to her let alone her son. Thank you!

Re:The National Archives is the real deal......

barbdale_1 — 2013-03-24 04:25:18Z

I appreciate the idea behind the library of congress site, but it is very limited in what papers are digitized. If you click on the state you want, it will give you a list of all papers in that state. Then when you click on the link to see all digitized papers, often there are none for the state you want. I do not find it a useful resource at all in it's current form.

Findagrave isn't a nice place

GrizzleGenealogy — 2013-03-18 21:00:45Z

After being a member of findagrave since Jim Tipton created the site, I've requested they delete me from their membership.

It is a race to be the submitter with the highest number of memorials (and mistakes).

Jim put a few admins in charge and many of them are cyber bullies.

Admins take memorials from contributors who have a small number, dedicated to their loved ones and give them to their friends who are in the race to be #1.

I share all my tombstone photos freely. Others go ballistic over theirs.

Why bother putting tombstone pictures of strangers on a public website if you aren't going to share them?

It would take more than one lifetime to search the entire internet and find a picture one believed was the picture one took while standing in front of a tombstone. Then, there's the tedious, legal process to wade through in order to have it removed from one website, then another and so on.

When a relative sees a picture of their loved ones tombstone, most will save and copy and share it with other family members.

It's not always possible to locate and get a response from the original submitter.

We can own the copyright to the pictures we've personally taken, but we don't own the tombstone (unless, of course, one has purchased it for their loved one).

In closing, I didn't leave findagrave over a photograph. I left because memorials that I worked hard to create, were snatched from me and given to a friend of an admin.

The admin then threatened me in an email.

At findagrave, it's not about our loved ones or finding ancestors and distant cousins. It's about the money.

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I've been a member at Ancestry since 1997. When I'm logged in under this account it doesn't reflect that date.

It shows the correct data when I log in under my old account.

Re: New York Vital Records

familytrace4fsk — 2013-03-15 19:34:25Z

Hello,

I was looking for the New York and not the NYC. This past week I did make it to the National Archives in NYC and used the index. I was able to ID direct family and cousins, too. At least with a file number it makes it easier when one needs to pay 22 USD and wait! At least you know there is some type of record.

For the New York State it is best to work from the last name and go through the years. The early years (1880-1900)do not have data as much but after 1900 it picked up. In the NARA in NYC it is on microfiche.

It is too bad the state does not make it easier to use the index. They do now have the death index online from 1957 forward but looking for the earlier years for birth, marriage, and death.

For NYC there is some indexing done by the German Genealogy Group and the Italian group, both online. I have used them to locate the file and then order from NYC.

Thank you and happy family tracing,
familytrace4fsk

Re: New York Vital Records

richardmw3 — 2013-03-09 15:04:57Z

familytrace4fsk,
After you find the record in the index search (try first www.stevemorse.org), you may be able to get it at the NYC Archives on 31 Chambers St. Google it to find the range of certificates they have. If they have it, you can look at their microfilm for free and if it is the right one, they will print it out for you for $11 / certificate. This requires a physical visit. They are not digitized. Microfilm reels in drawers. It is self service. They have about 20 microfilm readers for you to use. Bring a magnifying glass. The quality of their microfilm readers vary and many are broken. Check their web site for their content and the hours open.

Re: Not GenealogyBank.com

falsterden — 2013-03-05 01:10:53Z

In that case only the issues available should be listed as available.

Re: One Great Family (OGF), is a rip-off.

onlygramplovedme — 2013-02-20 18:34:12Z

No, OGF is not, as far as I know, part of Ancestry.com.

I would suggest that you start with the Utah Better Business Bureau with a complaint. The UBBB entity has resolved several complaints made against OGF. If you read the previous postings you will find several other remedies that have worked for others with the same problems you have.

Re: One Great Family (OGF), is a rip-off.

lexie1b — 2013-02-20 16:57:15Z

Having the same problem. Have
tried to call and e-mail, left messages and no answer. Is this connected to Ancestory.com?

Re: ingeneas

cmaguire113 — 2013-02-19 19:02:52Z

I had excellent results with this site. Its the only immigrant ship site that showed my family. Much much later I found the same information at PRONI, and at the Enniskillen library.
I really hope she's still in business.

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

andreakkk — 2013-02-17 18:27:51Z

yes i agree - someone 'saved' a picture of my mum on here - then when i put a copy of my grandad they saved that one as well - i have one picture of my grandma so i set my tree to private and put that one on so they cant copy - its someone who has more than 700 people on their tree and i dont think there is a connection at all they seem to be saving lots of pics without permissio its not someone i know at all and not a relative and it made me set my tree to private which is not what i wanted as i wanted a public tree so to help others with their research not to take coplies willy nilly like that
these are the only pictures i have of my family and i now dont know where they are going to be ending up and one is a live person

People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

akf1977 — 2013-02-17 13:18:15Z

Something has been bothering me tremendously about the Ancestry site recently, and I wanted to make a post to see if anyone else has the same problem. My tree is public, because connection is the point of the Ancestry project. However, I have worked very hard to locate and, in some cases, restore many old family photographs, which takes a good amount of time and energy. Many people simply connect to the photograph as the system was intended to be used, but certain people are downloading my photographs and then re-uploading them as their own original submissions! I can't imagine why anyone would do this, except to be able to claim the documents as their own. Does anyone else have this problem? Every time I locate another lost photo, I hesitate when uploading it, because I know the same people are going to pirate my work yet again...

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

BuyTreasures — 2013-02-16 22:39:50Z

I agree. If people pay money visit sites aren't they doing this for themselfs? and if other benefit great share share.

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

jtfnavarre — 2013-02-12 22:08:44Z

This has bothered me also. Last year I found that someone had copied several pictures from my family tree. One of which I had aquired after a visit to the National Archives in Washington D.C. When I contacted the person that Ancestry said had copied the pictures and asked them via email how we are related, possible making a family connection. The person came off as a bit of a jerk. Basically putting it as I don't know any of these people, I don't know what you are talking about, I didn't copy the pictures, etc. Then the story changed to, its my mothers side of the family, but I don't care about the connection between our families. Really!!! Then why copy the pictures? I have spent a lot of my time researching as well as money traveling to places to get the documents and pictures that I post. So yes it can be upsetting when someone takes liberties with your pictures/documents which is one of the reason that I took my tree back private. That and the problem of what was that individuals intentions in using the photo/documents. Just saying.

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

Tlbrkb — 2013-01-25 21:35:18Z

Yes............I noticed this all the time and it makes me so mad. I know that their is nothing anyone can do not even ancestry. I spend a lot of time taking photos, driving hours to get info and paying a lot of money to obtain original death certificates and then I see that someone has "made them their own". I am furious about it!!

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

Tlbrkb — 2013-01-25 21:34:27Z

Agreed!!

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

andreakkk — 2013-01-25 21:17:06Z

yes someone 'saved' a copy of my mums picture and my grans picture to their tree - wouldnt it have been nice to have asked first ??

i have my tree public as well, but I didnt know who the person was who saved them - I dont think it was a close relative at all

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

JerryMullen51 — 2013-01-20 19:59:49Z

I agree.

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

BuyTreasures — 2013-01-20 16:44:02Z

I agree. I am newer at this. If I see a pic out there I don't think about giving credit. I believe it tells you when you upload? I share my info and don't think twice about getting credit that is why I share aren't we all related anyway?? Share. If I have done it myself sorry if it has affended anyone it was not done on purpose. Great searching. Karen

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

Tlbrkb — 2013-01-19 22:00:48Z

http://www.graphicsfairy-crafts.com/2012/03/how-to-find-orig...

This link has provided some additional information on this topic........

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

pjmaruk — 2013-01-19 17:17:09Z

Ashley,

I have come across the same issue and have found that those people that appropriate another member's photograph, research, or document (especially burial marker photos from Find A Grave) are unaware of the process of source citation and there are other reasons for them not using the ancestry.com attachment feature.

We have public trees at ancestry.com in order that those family trees and the research are shared with other family descendants. I try to educate and ask those other members about the process to record, document and source their research from other members to acknowledge from where they got their materials (photographs/research) with a "comment" in their family tree file attached to the photo or individual and an email sent to them via ancestry.com "messages."

Here is an example of what I have sent out-----

Contacting you regarding the photograph of Louis Boelter (1890-1970) & Grace Renstrom (1906-1990).

You are welcomed to any photographs I have posted on ancestry.com or at Find A Grave from my family trees.

I ask that you give credit/acknowledgement to the person from whom you appropriated the photograph(s), as you are not the owner or the origin for which the photograph would reside. It is a proper technique in genealogy and etiquette to identify the source of the photograph(s), owner, where you obtained the info/photographs/documents.

When ever you use another person's research, materials, photographs, documents, stories or obtain government documents for your family tree, a researcher needs to show a source by citation of where you got your research materials.

Here is an example of a source citation:

Photograph courtesy of Paul Maruska, Ancestry.com public tree: "Frantzen Family History of Chickasaw County, Iowa," Louis Boelter (1890-1970) & Grace Renstrom (1906-1990), http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/13257102/person/-99557518 & http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/13257102/person/-99557314, (Accessed October 2012).

Here are some great links explaining about the source/citation process in genealogy.

http://genealogy.about.com/od/citing/a/sources.htm

http://www.genealogy.com/19_wylie.html

http://genealogy.about.com/od/citing/a/sources.htm

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

NorskyGal — 2013-01-16 18:24:47Z

I use Family Tree Maker and photo images are attached to people/families within the software, which are then synched to Ancestry.com. So my initial thought is if you watermark a photo, wouldn't you have to watermark the image file and then it would also be watermarked within my software? So then every time I want to use that photo/image either in FTM or Ancestry, the watermark would show...

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

harleyro — 2013-01-12 02:30:04Z

To Rick:OFF TOPIC Wow this is unbelievable! What providence! I can hardly believe this! I am researching the Cox family tree from Sugar Creek, Parke, indiana.
My Mothers Father is Arthur Alonzo Cox. His mother was America V Osborn who was also married to William S. Cox. my son bought me Ancestry for an early Christmas present. I have been struggling for years to find William S (slawley sp?)Cox.
So funny that you would write a reply to this post and then you have the information I need! I don't know how to set up the chat or email or I would have! Thank You for such wonderful information! When I get over to my mothers I will upload the pictures and things I have!

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

rickathedj — 2013-01-11 15:22:40Z

I see a difference between someone who simply downloads images and someone who "makes them their own." Every time I find an image (a photo or copy of a document) that applies to my ancestors I attach it to my tree so it stays in its original location. That helps other researchers because my tree leads to others. At the same time, I download the image files because one never knows how long it will stay on Ancestry. It stays on my hard drive AND a flash drive. I'm not claiming its all my work. I'm not publishing the information for sale. I'm just making sure that it doesn't go away.

Now here is an example that might bother some people, but doesn't bother me. I uploaded an old photo of my moms grandmother, mom, and aunts (when my mom died I became the keeper of the old photo collection.) There were 5 people in all. A distant relative took the image file and made 5 separate images of it, so each person would have a photo associated with their page. They popped up as shaky leaves and I used them. I COULD have done that myself, but for some reason it didn't occur to me.

Now there is one thing that might make a difference in the above example. We had communicated in the past. He had a number of grave photos of my ancestors in Michigan (I'm in Florida) that I could not have taken, so I dropped him a note and thanked him. We have been borrowing and editing each others photos ever since.

Its just my opinion, but one of the reasons to have a tree on Ancestry.com is so we CAN share information. I am very appreciative of the fact that other have spent hours and pay a lot of money, because I have as well. If the hours and money I have spent enable someone else to further their family history so that they can put THEIR hours and money elsewhere, I'm all for it. Who knows, it could end up benefiting ME, and if it doesn't. it will benefit someone else. I like to think we are all in this together.

On the subject of watermarking. Picasa, a free basic photo editing app from Google does have the option when you export photos to add a watermark. Option 2 would be to use any basic photo editor that allows you to add text to an image will do it, but you will likely have to do it on each and every image manually. I believe even the built in photo editor in windows will do that. But realize that with todays more advanced editing software, it can be wiped out with the swipe of the cursor, or it could just be cropped out. So if your watermarked images suddenly pop up without the watermark, THOSE are the people with whom we should have a problem.

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

harleyro — 2013-01-11 05:25:17Z

I am new. I wanted to upload all the information that my mother has gathered for years. i thought that by uploading the pictures and documents she has that it would spark interest From others that at researching the same families that I am. I am happy to share what I have with everyone and hoping others would be willing to share!

I am not sure what you would like people who are borrowing your pictures to do. Would you like them to acknowledge that they came from you? Is there even a place on Ancestry to give credit to the photographer? Or would you like to sell pictures you have worked on?

I Am not sure how to do it but you can put a watermark on your pictures. For someone who has done a lot of work cleaning up their pictures this would be a good way to go!

I am not sure about the rules here but sometimes people use their web address as a watermark, so that others can SEE who did the work and also If you put a watermark with your web Address on it then perhaps some of the "takers" would be willing to PAY for hard copies that you could send them?

Basically I feel like Jerry. If they are just using it to Share Family interest that is one thing! (i am not sure what building up their profile means), but IF they are selling OR publishing the pictures that is something else again!

Re: People dowlnloading and re-uploading photos as their own...

JerryMullen51 — 2013-01-10 00:16:51Z

I dont mind sharing to REAL family interest. I do not want those to copy my information as their own or build up their profile and want compensation.

Re: One Great Family (OGF), is a rip-off.

mdhoyle — 2012-12-18 17:59:46Z

Thanks everyone. Appreciate the new info. I called Archives.com today and they were very receptive. Please tell them when you call that, in our opinion, OGF are thieves and scoundrels. I also told them the general public associates criminals with criminals and they should have a better self image of themselves and Ancestry. Request they read this thread on the message board and then check with the Utah BBB. Merry Christmas everyone.

Re: OneGreatFamily.com TRICKERY/SCAM

seshen — 2012-12-14 16:14:14Z

I lodges a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in the US but have spent almost 2 years going around in circles. ONF sent quite unprofessional sounding email responses saying they have thousands of happy customers, as I told them if they are so good why don't they refund when people say they did not want to join after the trial. I hit a brick wall with that one. I urge everyone who has started tracing their family to stay away the site is rubbish anyway and relies on people posting their details to increase it's database.

Re: One Great Family (OGF), is a rip-off.

onlygramplovedme — 2012-12-12 18:38:50Z

I called ancestry.com to alert ancestry and I was told to call archives as well. Be sure to call them, 888-896-4442 and advise archives to review their affiliation with OGF with the Better Business Bureau of Utah, as well as read the complaints on this message board.

Re: One Great Family (OGF), is a rip-off.

BurgessDonnelly — 2012-12-12 12:19:24Z

OneGreatFamily is now being advertised by Archives.com, part of the ancestry.com family of companies. I received this email this morning:

QUOTE
One of the fastest and most effective ways to grow your family tree is to share research with others. The problem is, it can be difficult to find people who are interested in the same family lines as you. And when you do find them, exchanging information to update your family tree can be a challenge. But OneGreatFamily makes growing your tree simple:

http://www.archives.com/go.aspx?link=104

OneGreatFamily is a single, shared family tree built by people all over the world. Using their patent-pending "Genealogy Handprint" technology, OneGreatFamily compares every person in your tree against over 190 million unique entries in their world tree. Whenever matches are found, they notify you immediately. These searches are run 24 hours a day, and new information is merged into your family tree automatically - so your tree is always growing!

http://www.archives.com/go.aspx?link=104

The best part is, you can try OneGreatFamily absolutely free for 7 days. And as a former Archives.com member, you're eligible for an exclusive discounted membership price if you choose to remain a member after your free trial.

To learn more and start growing your family tree, click here (you may need to enter your previous Archives.com username and password):

http://www.archives.com/go.aspx?link=104

------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: This email is commercial in nature. You agree to use the information found within "Archives" and "OneGreatFamily" only for appropriate, legal purposes.
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Archives
P.O. Box 391146
Omaha, NE 68139
END QUOTE

Re: OneGreatFamily.com TRICKERY/SCAM

graserbe — 2012-12-11 18:02:42Z

Sadly, I just became a victim through the Archives off shoot of ANC OGF. I have noticed the $59.88 charge on my credit card along with the stated $7.00 something charge for the offshoot site that I had signed up for. Sadly, I didn't understand how to go about canceling and I got rid of my credit card after I got what I needed, not realizing that it was just going to reset back to my credit card. I've called my bank, thinking it was Ancestry.com and told them in short, they're putting in a dispute but I guess I'm going to have to cancel the credit card, because according to everyone else's posts here apparently its hard to win against them. I'd appreciate any more advice you all might have.

Re: SAMPUBCO?

samuelsen55 — 2012-12-09 02:43:55Z

It means nothing when there is no way to tell who you are! Still NO answering machine on my end at all.

Re: SAMPUBCO?

PJVA2006 — 2012-12-08 22:17:12Z

I am not a liar. I'll look up my request and cancelled check number. I tried hard to contact you. It was just one will. I gave you the location number....didn't think it would be a big deal.

Re: SAMPUBCO?

samuelsen55 — 2012-12-08 08:24:41Z

Phone messages? you're a liar! No answering machines!!! Never have them.

USE email as provided in "Contact Us".

Re: SAMPUBCO email

LUCIENNE — 2012-12-07 23:11:52Z

My email is and has been working. I didn't realize there was a problem with it. No one else has told me it wasn't working.
I was so disappointed reading those other complaints. Looking forward to getting the Wales Chaney Will.
lrehpitcher@hotmail.com
Lucienne Pitcher
3206 Erie Shore Drive
Monroe, MI 48162-4514

Re: SAMPUBCO?

LUCIENNE — 2012-12-07 23:10:14Z

Think I also have been scammed. Order was only early Aug 2012, and have not heard anything regarding my Wales Cheney Will. From the looks of all the complaints, I probably will never get my copy. I used Pay Pal and intend to inform them that SAMPUBCO may be scamming and they should not accept any money going to him. Hope Ancestry stops allowing him to advertise.

Re: SAMPUBCO?

PJVA2006 — 2012-12-07 22:22:22Z

Over a year ago I sent my payment and request and never got the will I requested. I did leave phone messages and I did try to email. I gave up.

My check was cashed, but I never got a thing.