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Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 2 Oct 2013 3:17PM GMT
Classification: Query

Seeking proof that Thomas White, Jr., b. Yarmouth, MA 13 April 1775, son of Thomas White, Sr. and Mercy (Gray) Sears White [Mayflower 5 Generations, Vol. 13, William White, p. 155] is the same Thomas White of Freetown, MA who m. Salome Pierce, of Middleboro, MA, 19 February 1799 at Middleboro, MA/int. 10 November 1798 [MA Town and VR, 1620-1988] Please reply to egawai@aol.com

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 1 Oct 2014 3:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: White
My understanding is that Thomas White who married Salome Peirce was the son of Thomas White and Ruth Marchant., "Susan E Roser, Mayflower Births and Deaths, Volume 2, Copyright 1992; Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc., 1001 N Calvert St, Baltimore, MD 21202, page 484." Further, Thomas White and Salome Peirce had issue: Mary, b. abt 1800, and Alvin, b. abt 1801, both in Freetown.

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 8 Mar 2015 11:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, I have been working on separating the many Thomas White's for a few years with the New England Genealogical Society.

I descend from a Thomas White Jr. who did live in Freetown. There was a thought he might have been the one that married Salome Pierce before he married Huldah Gurney on Jan 2, 1803.

But other hints seem not to prove this....her father seems to be a well known soldier.

The Thomas White I know i descend from is the son of Peregrine White and Mary Howland on May 3, 1770 in Middleboro, Ma. We think he was born between 1772 and 1775.

We only have family history from the Howland family that lists him as first born, but no date of actual birth. He had a brother Malachi and a sister Hope that we have a lot of documentation on. This Thomas did live in Freetown as did his Father Peregrine mentioned above. He lived in Dartmouth with Huldah and five boys before moving to Pennslyvania where he died in about 1822.

We know this Thomas's father Peregrine was a Revolutionary War Vetran. It is his father we think may be a Thomas White too and his" brother" a Thomas White Jr.

We think that both our Peregrine and Thomas White is the son Thomas White and Hope Jenkins. This Thomas White is descended from a proven Mayflower line.

That Thomas White Jr. we believe married Elizabeth Jenney.

The reason i go on is because we are trying to locate Peregrine White's parents and we see a family connection in terms of witnessing land documents but are desperate to find more family members that may be able to help each other prove the parenthood.

Early Mayflower records state that Peregrine White and sister Experience belong in the above family. We just need to prove he was right.

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 10 Mar 2015 11:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
> Early Mayflower records state that ...

What you are referring to are not records. If you had records you would have proof. You are referring to derivative sources such as compiled genealogies. Records are sources such as town clerks' record books, probate records, and land records (deeds).

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 11 Mar 2015 8:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your message. I would love for my research partners at NEHGS get in touch with you, would that be possible?

Hello, I hope you can help. It is important that i get all the information on the Thomas White Jr. I speak of. There are records i have seen on Mass Marriages that suggest there is a marriage between a Salome Pierce and a Thomas White Jr. from Freetown, Ma. Perhaps these records are not correct/official as you suggest is the case.

I am certain that my ancestor Thomas White Jr. is the son of Peregrine White and Mary Howland and that he married Huldah Gurney on Jan 2, 1803. There is no reason to believe he did not marry once before this.

I am also researching Peregrine's parents that George Ernest Bowman believes may have been Thomas White and Hope Jenkins. Can you help please? I have researchers in Boston that should speak with you for help in solving the question. Best Barbara

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 11 Mar 2015 10:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
> I would love for my research partners at NEHGS get in touch with you, would that be possible?

Certainly. Go to my domain, plymouthcolony.net, and use the email link at the bottom of the top page so we can carry on that converstion off of the board.

> There are records i have seen on Mass Marriages that suggest there is a marriage between
> a Salome Pierce and a Thomas White Jr. from Freetown, Ma.

The marriage records from volumes 1, 2, 3, and 5 of the Freetown town records, covering 1686-1844, were abstracted and compiled in typescript by Mary Phillips Herbert in 1934. That typescipt has "White, Thomas & Huldah Gurney both of F. Jan. 2, 1803, J. Lawrence." There is no marriage shown at Freetown between Thomas White and Salome Pierce/Peirce.

The published vital records of Middleborough, vol. 2 p. 131, has the marriage intention "Novr. 10th, 1798 ... also Mr. Thomas White Jr. of Freetown & Miss Salome Peirce, of Middleboro." P. 165 of that volumes has the marriage "1799 Feby 19 Thomas White of Freetown, & Salome Peirce of Mido."

I do not have the Freetown births and so cannot determine how late this couple had children. You might want to consult the images of the records of the Freetown town clerks at FamilySearch.org (watch for line wrap):

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%...

Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants;
Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project
Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Re: Thomas Jr. White, Born 1775 Massachusetts

Posted: 12 Mar 2015 4:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
As far as I can tell, Thomas White, son of Peregrine and Mary (Howland) White is not the same one who married Salome Pierce.

In Volume 2, page 483, (page 486 if one is using Ancestry.com) of "Mayflower Births and Deaths: From the Files of George Ernest Bowman at the Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants. Volumes 1 & 2", by Susan E. Roser. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 1992, Ms Roser has Thomas White, son of Thomas and Ruth (Marchant) White, as the one who married Salome Pierce and had issue: Alvin, page 482 (485); and Mary, page 483 (486). Also, Alvin White is listed in the U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 as the son of Thomas White and Salome Pierce, pages 178 and 179.

We know that Thomas White who married Huldah Gurney is not the same one because according to DAR Ancestor #: A210818 he is the son of Peregrine White and Mary Howland. Copies of his lineage can be obtained by searching the DAR Ancestor database. Supporting documents are available for purchase.

http://services.dar.org/public/dar_research/search

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