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Re: Glass manufacturers Lancashire & Cheshire

stuartbright — 2013-02-24 12:17:17Z

Interestingly Ann Shutt was the brother of Richard Shutt and Thomas Shutt both glass manufacturers. Thomas Shutt was credited as the major player behind the British Crown Glass Company and Joseph Stock was his partner. Any knowledge of the other Shutt's involvement in the glass industry would be appreciated. Both Richard Shutt and his father (also Richard) ended up in London - the son at least involved in glass

Re: Glass manufacturers Lancashire & Cheshire

1gumtrees — 2013-02-10 04:59:58Z

Hello Stuart,

I need to check for you but I know that James Stock married an Ann Shutt.
You can contact me at woodlands2@westnet.com.au which might be quicker, and in the meantime I will look them up for you.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Cheers
Rhonda Jones

Re: Glass manufacturers Lancashire & Cheshire

stuartbright — 2013-02-09 23:09:55Z

Hi By any chance do the stock families in your tree include Joseph Stock's who were married into the Shutt families, in particular Thomas Shutt but probably also Richard Shutt. Very interested to exchange info if a match. thanks

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonsuzanne — 2013-01-09 10:09:30Z

Hi Ken,
Need to speak to you but my email has been returned once again re the emigration to America.
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2013-01-08 02:44:54Z

Hello! I stumbled upon some interesting information that explains the heavy concentration (and movement of workers) in the Newcastle, Liverpool and Stourbridge areas -- a book called "The Labor Aristocracy Revisited" by Takao Matsumura. This link may provide a partial reading: http://books.google.com/books?id=4BO9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA27&am.... Anyway, sounds like it was just good economics: Newcastle had good waterways, Stourbridge had good clay, etc. My ancestors emigrated from the UK to the US in the late 1800s, establishing themselves first in Ottawa, Illinois, which was a center for US-based glassmaking due to its superior-quality sand (used for glass). Then, a decade or so later, they moved again, this time to the shores of Lake Erie, in Sandusky, Ohio, which was conveniently located about midway between industrial centers of Detroit (Michigan) and Cleveland (Ohio). Hopefully in a few years, I'll be able to travel to the UK w/the hubby and kids ... one of the places I would like to visit is the World of Glass museum in St. Helens (that and the Black Country Museum in the West Midlands). Now that I've done a bit of family tree research, the locations will be much, much more meaningful to visit, not just places on a map. Happy, healthy and prosperous New Year to all on this thread. Best regards, Jenny (Hawkes) Jenkins, Westerville, Ohio, USA

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonsuzanne — 2012-12-28 19:16:58Z

Hi,
i would like to hear about John Atkinson and his wife Sarah Burrows as i have a connection and cant get through on your email

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonsuzanne — 2012-12-28 19:14:30Z

Hi Ken.
On the find my past site the only Pearey on the passenger list 1920=1930 is the following James S Pearey born 1901 arrived Quebec canada 1929. Cant look at it as i dont have a subscription will see if i can find a birth anywhere'
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonsuzanne — 2012-12-19 00:44:51Z

Hi,
The John Greenhall married 1855 in Pemberton married Jane Fairhurst but it only gives the brides fathers name not the groom
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-19 00:09:13Z

Hi.
There is a Greenall tree on the internet for BerryMckenna but i think they may of mixed two familys up Mary jane Greenall who married John james Pearey 1855 in prescot and on the 1881 census this family is at 5 Bishop St. Parr 9 years daughter of John Greenall and Jane Marsh -- they have a John and jane Greenall in Pemberton on the 1881 census down in their tree which i think is the wrong family On the marriage the fathers are Thomas Greenhall and henry marsh -- Thomas married a Ann ]Plumbley }? and they lived in Parr children John 1828 George 1826 Margaret 1838 the Thomas and Ann Greenhall and their children are in the Berry mcenna tree which is right Dont know what you have.
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-18 20:02:41Z

Hi again,

Yes,I've got all the UK records for Uncle Sid.I was about 12 when he died.
Giving the episode somr more thought and clutching at straws,my mother (Louisa Pearey,Sid's sister,)used to tell a 'family myth-type story' that when she was born her aunt (?) in the USA tried to persuade my grandmother to name her 'Mary Jane'. Obviously the persuasion didn't work and there were no more stories relating to the US connection.
What I need to do is a little bit of detective work.I think that any US connection would most likely be on my grandmother's side (she was born a 'Greenall').Indeed the US family might not even be Greenall,depending whether it was a man or a woman who emigrated.
A riddle indeed !

Speak soon,

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-18 19:48:33Z

Hi Suzanne,

Yes,that's my uncle, Sidney or "Sid".What I need to discover is where he went to work (on a farm where he nearly died in a snow blizzard ) and who were the US family members who came up to look after him.

Best wishes,

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonsuzanne — 2012-12-18 17:05:34Z

Hi .
The only thing i found was 1901/1911 census James Sidney Pearey born 1901 St Helens Lancs perhaps you can look at these census on Ancestry as i cant -- have you tried ww2 draft lists for Pearey they are good giving you all sorts of details for the Peareys usa-- canadian records are not very good after about 1920
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-16 18:14:08Z

Hi,
Both yours and jennys emails keep being returned not delivered My email is www. hodgkinsonsuzanne@yahoo.co.uk.
My cousin has a glass decorated rolling pin with coloured flowers and name John Burrows from 1865 given to my g/g/grandfather John Burrows when he was born in Windle St Helens lancashire who gave it we dont have any idea but i was told some one worked for Pilkingtons Glass and went abroad to work for them but havent found any information to confirm this wish i could.
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-16 18:05:43Z

I knew of Grayson & Burrows in the 60's & 70's.I don't think they are there now.

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-16 18:01:40Z

Hi.
John Atkinsons father is Joseph Atkinson a glassmaker You will find full details on the marriage of John and Sarah on the following site which is a free site and very good indeed Lancashire online parish clerk project. I have seen you are on Ancestry but im not a member so cant look at your tree. I have found the family of Atkinson Halstead Love Denzie to name a few up to the 1940 census but nothing much after that My tree is on the Genesreunited site ive tried your email but its not getting through, My email is hodgkinsonsuzanne@yahoo.co.uk
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-16 16:55:03Z

Hi,
Sorry for the delayed response - I am just getting used to the idea of checking the message board for posts and whatnot.
Georgia is a bit of a drive from Ohio. My brother-in-law is a big University of Georgia football fan, but the rest of us up here in Greater Columbus (OH) are mainly Ohio State U (Buckeyes) fans. Do you follow US football at all? My dad, who passed away almost four years ago, originally from Walsall (West Midlands) UK, played football (soccer) in his youth, but took up following American football when he relocated to Ohio in the 1950s.
My email address is jennifer.a.jenkins@live.com.
I'm probably going to take a little breather away from genealogy for a little while, with the holidays fast approaching and much else to do with too little time.
Take care,
Best regards,
Jenny (Hawkes) Jenkins
Westerville, Ohio, USA

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-16 15:38:08Z

Hi ,
I dont know why all the emails are returning im having the same trouble with kens on this site. When Joseph Burrows remarried Ellens children lived with them but Josephs are living with a married sister This info i will let you have if you would like me to pass it on to you. I realize that you are on facebook so sent you a message to see if i had the right jenny now the Hawke surname has pooped up i know i have the right one on facebook. My email again is www.hodgkinsonsuzanne@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">www.hodgkinsonsuzanne@yahoo.co.uk. Hope you try again .
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-16 15:19:50Z

Hi,
My Burrows family lived in Bridge St. Windle before walking down to Stoke on Trent around 1870 My g/fathers uncle had an Estate Agents called Grayson and Burrows [ Edward ] which when they retired was taken over by another relative Reg Stubbs.Edward Burrows lived in Eccleston and died around 1950 but he and his wife Polly nee Grayson didnt have any children but they always kept in touch with my two great aunts .
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-16 14:45:06Z

Hi again,

Just being exact about the geography.Bishop Wearmouth,Monkswearmouth etc are parishes in the town of Sunderland, which is in the diocese of Durham.People from Sunderland are known as Maccams (no one knows why) whereas people from Newcastle on Tyne are Geordies.There is still bitter rivalry between the two places based on their respective soccer teams.
Sunderland has a history of glass making - when the industry moved south from NonT.When that petered out the Peareys (and presumably the Atkinsons) moved south - either to places like Bristol and Stourbridge or directly to St Helens.
Gateshead (again part of the Durham diocese), slopes down to the river on the south bank of the Tyne facing NonT on the north bank (NonT was not part of the Durham diocese.For centuries it was administered as part of Northumberland from Morpeth).

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-16 14:32:08Z

Hi Suzanne,

I know Windle very well - my godmother lived there.It's about a 10 min bus ride from the town centre.
Pilkingtons have a glass museum in the town centre.I wonder if they have examples of the kind of glassware you mentionned.I know that some of the workers made things like paperweights & doorstops from waste glass.My cousin and her family live in Eccleston.I'll ask them to pop in to the museum in the New Year and make some enquiries.
My grandfather - John James Pearey - was a glassblower at 'Pilks' in the early 1900s.

Speak soon,

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-16 14:02:53Z

hi
Found the following on IGI site marriage 29 may 1830 Gateshead Durham Joseph Atkinson and Ann Watson.
Children listed Born sept 25 1839 chris. 20 oct. 1839 John Atkinson son of Joseph and Ann Atkinson Gateshead
nov 21 1831 George 1830 William i think these two died ?
12 June 1832 chris. 7 july 1832 mary Atkinson
march 24 1836 chris. 17 july 1836 Jane Ann Atkinson {all in Gateshead }
chris. feb 13 1842 Margaret Atkinson in Bishop Wearmouth Durham.
all children of Joseph and Ann Atkinson
Gateshead and Bishop Wearmouth are by newcastle on Tyne and i think all the birth dates tally.
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 21:56:31Z

Hi Jenny,

And a Merry Christmas to you and the family.

You put a question mark after 'Abram'. It's a very ancient suburb of Wigan - which is about 14 miles from St Helens. Obviously the Atkinsons were still in the glass industry,although Abram was a mining village in the main.When I was young,in the 1950's, the glass industry in St Helens (there because of the first canal in the UK - the 'Sankey Navigation' plus coal from the Lancashire pits plus good quality sand from the surrounding countryside)employed 40 or 50.000 people - mainly in Pilkingtons but also in numerous bottle and houseware factories.Now there are about 2500 employees working in the float glass factory owned by the Japanese !

Speak soon,

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-15 21:42:55Z

Hello, Ken, A very merry Christmas to you and yours, as well! Based on UK census data form 1861, it looks like my Atkinson forebears lived at 82 Glover St., Eccleston, St Helens. They had moved to Firs Lane, Westleigh, Lancs for the 1871 census. Then, I think they were at Stock's Building, Plan Lane, Glass Works, Abram. (?) in 1877.
Best of luck in your search efforts with the other database.
Happy New Year.
Jenny Jenkins, Westerville, Ohio, USA

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 20:42:15Z

Hopefully you can get thru' to me on 'kenhall@thepeoplematters.com' to continue these conversations.

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 20:40:03Z

Hi,

You bring back many memories.I was born in the middle of all those locations you listed - actually in Parr (no connection,despite some myths, with Henry 8's last wife).

I'll be in touch with the Census neighbourhood details details.

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 18:03:08Z

The following is for Ellen Whittle 1804-1877 born Sutton Lancashire daughter of Joseph Whittle married William Anders 1800 - 1841 ? 1823 William 1832-1915 Catherine mar. William Rhoden 1835 Elizabeth mar. Thomas Mather 1837 Henry 1840 Mary mar. Peter Leyland Ellen died at her daughter Catherines in Golborne Lancashire william and Catherine Rhoden children 1856 william born Parr 1860 Ann born haydock 1864 Thomas born haydock 1868 Joseph born haydock.
Thomas and Elizabeth Mather children all born Eccleston 1855 Margaret 1858 Elizabeth 1860 Catherine 1865 Thomas 1870 Mary .
Peter and Mary leyland children 1860 Ann 1863 ellen both born Parr 1864 John born haydock 1867 mary born Parr 1869 Alice born Haydock 1871 Peter born Golborne 1874 Catherine 1876 Sarah 1878 Margaret 1880 Robert 1882 Lizzie all born Golborne Lancs Sarah Burrows brother Thomas born1846-1886 married ellen Brsdbury children 1869 Margaret born Ashton in Makerfield Lancs 1870 Joseph mar. Esther Ashton annie 1872 mar. Edward Waterworth 1874 -1892 John 1877 Thomas 1879 Robert 1881 Ellen all born Parr Lancs Sorry i havent followed the Whittle side up Hope you can understand the info.

Im only on Ancestry for 14 days free trial.

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-15 16:09:11Z

Having said that, I have had difficulty finding the GRO birth cert for John Atkinson (1839, presumably in/near Gateshead, Durham, England), and the first and last names are so common, particularly for that timeframe in that part of England. I need to get the GRO birth certs for a younger sibling (post-1838) and hopefully will be able to conclusively tie the links together ... but that's a project that will take a little while to accomplish! Best regards, Jenny Jenkins, Westerville, Ohio, USA

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-15 16:05:26Z

Hi, I have fewer children listed for the family, the primary one being John Atkinson. I tie him to Joseph Atkinson through John's 8 April 1860 marriage cert to Sarah Burrows, St. Peters Parr, Prescot, Lancashire, from GRO, which notes father's name and surname as Joseph Atkinson and father's rank/profession as glass maker. (Sarah's father is Joseph Burrows, miner).

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 15:07:51Z

Hi,
Joseph and Ann had children jane Ann 1837 newcastle married George Rogerson 1854 St Helens George 1848 not chris. until 1862 in st helens married Susan Ann Davies 1866 St Thomas Eccleston margaret 1842 born newcastle on tyne married Henry Critchley 1861 St Thomas Eccleston 1881 census 8 Haughton St. Bishop Wearmouth Sunderland Durham George Atkinson 33 years Glass Blower born St Helens Susannah 32 Born Liverpool margaret 16 born St Helens mary 12 born St Helens Sarah J. 10 born St Helens Elizabeth 4 born leigh lancashire John 0 born Sunderland Durham 1881 Burrow lane Eccleston Henry Critchley 40 born Eccleston Margaret 39 Born Newcastle Northumberland jane a 14 born Eccleston Elizabeth 11 born Eccleston Joseph 9 born Eccleston 1871 /1881 26 Abinger Terrace Deptford Kent George Rogerson born1834 Old Swan lancashire jane a born 1838 newcastle Northumberland Ann born1857 St Helens george born 1859 born walsall Staffordshire Frances born 1864 Deptford Kent joseph 1870 born Deptford jane 1874 Deptford lottie 1879 Deptford

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 15:06:47Z

Hi,
Joseph and Ann had children jane Ann 1837 newcastle married George Rogerson 1854 St Helens George 1848 not chris. until 1862 in st helens married Susan Ann Davies 1866 St Thomas Eccleston margaret 1842 born newcastle on tyne married Henry Critchley 1861 St Thomas Eccleston 1881 census 8 Haughton St. Bishop Wearmouth Sunderland Durham George Atkinson 33 years Glass Blower born St Helens Susannah 32 Born Liverpool margaret 16 born St Helens mary 12 born St Helens Sarah J. 10 born St Helens Elizabeth 4 born leigh lancashire John 0 born Sunderland Durham 1881 Burrow lane Eccleston Henry Critchley 40 born Eccleston Margaret 39 Born Newcastle Northumberland jane a 14 born Eccleshall Elizabeth 11 born Eccleston Joseph 9 born Eccleston 1871 /1881 26 Abinger Terrace Deptford Kent George Rogerson born1834 Old Swan lancashire jane a born 1838 newcastle Northumberland Ann born1857 St Helens george born 1859 born walsall Staffordshire Frances born 1864 Deptford Kent joseph 1870 born Deptford jane 1874 Deptford lottie 1879 Deptford

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-15 14:41:46Z

Hello, I believe you're right: Joseph Atkinson's wife was Ann Watson. I have GRO death certs on both Joseph and Ann. Joseph: 1867 Prescot St Helens Lancaster 4 July 1867 Bold St., Eccleston - Male - 55 years - Glassmaker - __ingial __thisis certified - George Atkinson in attendance, Drake (sp?) Street St Helens - registered 5 July 1867. Ann: 1880 - Prescot St Helens Lancaster 11 March 1880 Kirkland St., Eccleston - Female - 70 years - Bronchitis 3 months crtified by ___ Nicoll M.R.C._. - X The Mark of Margaret Critchley Daughter Present at the death, Gillers Green Eccleston - registered 11 March 1880.

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 12:36:41Z

Hi ,
I found that on the 1881 census John Atkinsons brother george is also living in Bishop Wearmouth Durham with his wife and family at 8 Houghton Street.
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 09:25:47Z

hi. Joseph Atkinsons wife is ann i think Watson but cant be sure On the lancashire online parish clerk they have children christened and married in St Thomas Ecclestone but couldnt find burials for Joseph and Ann. There are a few people on Genes who are interested in the Atkinson LInes .
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

hodgkinsonauzanne — 2012-12-15 09:21:34Z

Hi, The 1871 is free on Familysearch.co.uk. My tree is on Genesreunited.co.uk. as is the 1881 census . Jenny has replied to my message but as with her email yours has returned not delivered why i dont know. The Genes site is only about £10 a year and you can search and look at peoples trees who are connected to you .
Suzanne

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 01:34:43Z

Hi Suzanne,

I thought I was seeing or reading double - because as you will see from her postings,Jennifer Jenks is making similar contributions about the Atkinson family.Ergo,are you two related ? To put our several enquiries on an even keel,this is the message I just put through to Jennifer:-"The similarities between the Peareys and the Atkinsons are quite striking.The Peareys were glassworkers in Bishop Wearmouth before moving to Eccleston StHelens (where I was born). I bet they were neighbours there. I am about to take out a subscription to Findmypast - the UK's premier geneaology website.Once I do,I'll look at the 1841 to 1871 Censuses to identify addresses,proximities and other details of the two families.I'll be in touch early in the New Year."

Have a great Xmas

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 01:23:42Z

Hi Jennifer,

Initially missed your message today.

The similarities between the Peareys and the Atkinsons is quite striking.The Peareys were glassworkers in Bishop Wearmouth before moving to Eccleston StHelens (where I was born). I bet they were neighbours there. I am about to take out a subscription to Findmypast - the UK's premier geneaology website.Once I do,I'll look at the 1841 to 1871 Censuses to identify addresses,proximities and other details of the two families.I'll be in touch early in the New Year.

Have a great Xmas.

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-12-15 00:06:31Z

Hi Suzanne,

Just to confirm - my email address is kenhall@thepeoplematters.com That reflects my career in employment relations rather than geneaology.

I replied to Jennifer's earlier query,but have had no reply since ! Give me some more detail about your connections and I'll see what I can do.

Best wishes,

Ken

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-12-14 20:08:55Z

Hello, What can I tell you, in particular? They emigrated from UK to US in 1880 w/several children (to include my great-grandfather Allen); they first lived in Anderson, Indiana, then relocated to Sandusky, Ohio, which is where they both died and were buried in the early 20th century. Can you please tell me if you need any further information? Hopefully you can link to what I've saved to their records in my "Jenny's Family Tree" database? I've been trying to locate the birth cert for John, but thus far have not been successful -- too common a name, I guess. Best regards, Jenny Jenkins, Westerville, Ohio, U.S.A.

William Salter - Glassblower

1_johnwil — 2012-12-14 17:14:05Z

Does anyone have anything on William Salter, Glassblower?
I have the following information so far..
William Salter bn possibly about 1785 - and thought to have died 1825, East end of London, either Shoreditch or Whitechapel.
Married to 'Elizabeth' surname unknown - but not thought to be Elizabeth Graddon (marriage to a Wm Salter 1812, Aldersgate, London)
Two sons at least -
William bap April 1809 at St George in the East
Charles bap 1812 at St Saviours Southwark.
Can follow family through to present day from Charles, but looking for details of William and beyond.

Re: Stenger and Stanger

glass600 — 2012-10-20 14:21:58Z

Hi Jim, Think of 67 and 68 like the first two digits of a zip code. They relate to specific areas in France. If you google France 67 or France 68 you can see them. 67 is Bas-Rhin in the Alsace area. 68 is Haut-Rhin in Alsace.

Sorry, Luc did not send me the link to the registers of emmigration. The link I sent was for a variety of French genealogical sites. I thought it was among them.

I will ask him where those are online.

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

kenhall07 — 2012-10-19 17:56:55Z

Hi Janice,

Just in case you didn't receive my email ?

"Wow,that was a surprise - you responding to my Ancestry.com posting with regard to my mother's family (the Peareys) after 4 years !

Coincidentally,we actually lived in Eccleston in the 1970's - we were in fact born in St Helens,Eccleston being one of the parishes.

Have you based your research via Ancestry ? The best website is 'Findmypast.com' - a UK resource encompassing all Census from 1841 plus BMDs plus lots of parish records.I have also accessed the St Helens FHS.So,we have lots of information and resources to share with you.

We moved to the USA 6 years ago to live in Georgia.So,not too far from you in Ohio."

Best wishes

Re: Stenger and Stanger

jbd729 — 2012-10-19 14:24:16Z

Laura
Thanks for your most recent information. Please excuse my ignorance but I don't understand your reference to Department 67 and 68. And when you refer to registers, what registers are you talking about? You mentioned an 1828 passport application but the link you provided was for passenger lists, none of which were in the 1828 +/- timeframe. Sorry I am not more perceptive.

Thanks so much for your continuing efforts.

Jim

Re: Stenger and Stanger

glass600 — 2012-10-19 13:27:28Z

Hi Jim, I just got this from Luc Stenger. Hopefully it will help you. Regarding this request I finally got some news !

A Jean Jacques (Jacob) STENGER from BOUXVILLER in Alsace applied for a passport in 1828 (so for emigration)
Beware you have 2 localities with the same name, one in Departement 67 and one in Departement 68.
I would suggest historically starting with 67. Registers are available online so this person should go through the registers carefully.

http://www.genealogylinks.net/europe/france/passenger-lists....

Re: Glass Makers St Helens Lancashire

JAJenks1031 — 2012-10-15 02:05:54Z

I don't have the answer to your question, but coincidentally, my family (John Atkinson, wife Sarah, and multiple children) also relocated from Gateshead (Newcastle-Upon-Tyne) Durham area to Eccleston (St Helens) Lancashire during the same timeframe. The census puts them in Bishop Wearmouth Durham in 1841; by 1851, they had relocated to Eccleston St Helens. John and at least one of his sons were in the glass-making industry. I wonder if perhaps our families knew each other those many years ago. I live in central Ohio (USA); my email is jennifer.a.jenkins@live.com, if you'd like to correspond. Cheers!

Re: Stenger and Stanger

glass600 — 2012-08-17 00:00:25Z

Jim, I am a Stenger descendant. My 6th and 8th Great Grandmothers were both named Anna Stenger and both married Walter men. This line goes back to the 1400s in the Spessart area of Germany. I credit Janet Nichols (who I affectionately call my genie fairy godmother! She is my 3rd cousin) with helping learn how to do this the right way. Yes it can be daunting but it is learnable. Send me your direct email because I have some things you may want to take a look at. You can reach me at lbozzay@relaquest.com.

Re: Stenger and Stanger

jbd729 — 2012-08-16 23:35:36Z

Laura
I am realizing more and more each day that this genealogical research thing is far from easy. As a matter of fact it is just plain hard, and if you don't know your way around the masses of databases, parish registers, search techniques, etc., etc., you can burn up a whole lot of time getting absolutely no where.

When I come across someone like you, who obviously has learned how to navigate many of the pitfalls and landmines, I am amazed at what you know and how you can separate the wheat from the chaf. I know that you don't hit all home runs and still have your share of strikes and fouls. But you obviously enjoy this stuff.

My hat is off to you and your network. You are all an inspiration to us relative newbies. And as for giving you a little bit of time to work through things, my dear, you take all the time you need. And if somehow I can help, I am more than ready to do whatever.

Thank you again for all your time and effort.

Jim Davis

Re: Stenger and Stanger

glass600 — 2012-08-16 22:38:22Z

Jim I think several things go on...
1. Sometimes the name is Stenger, Stanger, Staenger, Stinger, Stingre.... so you have to check all of them.
2. Names sort of came down in the families. I have lots of Jabobs at various times sometimes with Jacob (Jacques and sometimes as Hans or John because not all transcribers get what names equal each other) as a first name and sometimes as a second name. Often the family called these folks by the second name. So he may be on a list as Jean or Martin or something else.
3. Not all records from that time still exist. Always an issue.
4. Not everything has been transcribed.
5. Alsace Lorraine is a big area. Without a village it is hard to know where to look.
6. Some Stenger were glassmakers and they are easier to find because of the ties to the glass factories. This one seems to be a landlord... he may have a family connection to glass but we don't know that.

Now the good news... I have several very accomplished Stenger researchers looking at this and I see I have about 20 emails I need to look through. There may be something in one of them. I was out of town and just got home... so give me a little bit of time to work through them.

Laura

Re: Stenger and Stanger

jbd729 — 2012-08-16 14:35:58Z

Laura
You said what I was afraid you would say - the possibilities are many many. It seems like I have looked at a million passenger lists looking for the Stengers but maybe the 2nd million will be more fruitful.

Thanks
Jim

Re: Stenger and Stanger

glass600 — 2012-08-16 14:09:42Z

I have seen family leave from Le Havre, Rotterdam, and ports in England. I have seen then arrive in NY, Philadelphia, Boston, New Orleans and Galveston... also coming in via Canada. There was not just one route...

I checked Castle Garden (NY) at the time and did not see them.

Laura

Re: Stenger and Stanger

jbd729 — 2012-08-16 11:09:21Z

Laura

Assuming Jacob Stenger Sr. and his family lived in Alsace, Larraine, and assuming the family emigrated to the USA in the 1820/1835 timeframe, what would have been the most likely port of departure and port of arrival in the US. I assume there was a most "popular" route from France to America.

Thanks for all of your time and asistance.

Jim