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Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack

Re: Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack

Posted: 4 Jul 2004 8:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Sep 2005 8:04PM GMT
yes I know
and excellent help by email within about 24 hours

but I give this subject a low priority

http://genealogy.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/genealogy.cfg/php/endu...?
p_sid=l*8Z5fWg&p_lva=&p_li=&p_srch=1&p_gridsort=&p_row_cnt=60&p_search_text=sources&p_prod_lvl1=%7Eany%7E&p_prod_lvl2=%7Eany%7E&p_cat_lvl1=%7Eany%7E&p_cat_lvl2=%7Eany%7E&p_group=&p_pa

was the last time I used it
http://genealogy.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/genealogy.cfg/php/endu...?
p_sid=iENf3wfh&p_lva=&p_li=&p_page=1&p_prod_lvl1=%7Eany%7E&p_prod_lvl2=%7Eany%7E&p_cat_lvl1=%7Eany%7E&p_cat_lvl2=%7Eany%7E&p_search_text=Ahnentafel&p_new_search=1

>>The genealogy reports in Family Tree Maker are based on standardized reports that were created by various genealogical societies. This is the same format used by these genealogical societies, and we tried stay as close to these formats as possible. What seems like a mistake is really an inherent characteristic of the report.

There are three variations of the Genealogy Report:

* Register (Descendant Ordered) The Register format is a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The Register format is the format which is accepted by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, one of the oldest genealogical societies in the country. The Register format dates back to 1870 and is used to establish "pedigree."

* NGS Quarterly (Descendant Ordered) The NGS Quarterly format is also a descendant-ordered format; it presents information about your family starting with an ancestor and moving forward in time to that individual's descendants. The NGS Quarterly format is the preferred genealogical report of the National Genealogical Society. The format dates back to 1912.

* Ahnentafel (Ancestor Ordered) The Ahnentafel format is ancestor-ordered; it starts with one individual and moves backward in time to that individual's ancestors. It's not used as frequently as the other two formats for formal presentations of pedigree because it records two family lines in the same report.<<

>>> To select the type of Genealogy Report you'd like to display, first switch to the Genealogy Report view. Then from the Format menu, select Genealogy Report Format. Make your selection, and then click OK.<<

I will post it here if I succeed LOL

Hugh W

Re: the broken link after the ?

Posted: 4 Jul 2004 8:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Sep 2005 8:04PM GMT
the broken link after the ?
is because there is a bug in this web editor or server

which returns the error message
"The form contains no data" unless you add a carriage return after the "?"

so must copy paste to reassemble the long URL
<sigh>

Genealogy Report Format

Posted: 4 Jul 2004 9:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Sep 2005 8:04PM GMT
Yes it worked

after moving to the standard pedigree tree
view

then I clicked on the Genealogy Report button

then the Menu > Format > Genealogy Report

which gave three radio buttons as choices
# Register (Descendant Ordered)

The Register format dates back to 1870 and is used to establish "pedigree."

# NGS Quarterly (Descendant Ordered)

The format dates back to 1912.

# Ahnentafel (Ancestor Ordered)

but when by who ?

The system was first used in a book by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.

and it worked

Hugh W
================searches ======================
Ahnentafel indices come to us from genealogists who invented them
for encoding one’s pedigree as a binary, family tree

ahnentafel n.

from Ahnentafel "ancestor chart": a type of chart used in genealogy that uses a particular numbering system for all ancestors of the main person

[German Ahn, Ahne, "ancestor" + Tafel, "table, chart"]. This entry suggested by G. Victor Paulson.

"Ahnentafel Numbers Are not as Mysterious as they Seem", Anneliese Graebner Anderson, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal, Winter 1995, p. 52-53.

"Sosa-Stradonitz System OR Ahnentafel", Richard A. Pence, 1995.
"What is an Ahnentafel?", Allan Gilbertson.
http://germanenglishwords.com/rlga.htm

I googled this string
Ahnentafel history invented

now the OED II cd v 3
no entries fouind

back to google

Ahnentafel dictionary

AHNENLIST
a list of one's accordance with the AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS definition below. ancestors, with the first generation being #1, second #2-3, third #4-7, etc. May be synonymous with AHNENTAFEL.

AHNENTAFEL
[German ancestor table] a list of ancestors numbered in accordance with the system described below in AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS. So-called because it was popularized by Stephen Kekule von Stradonitz in his 1896 book, Ahentafel Atlas.

The system was first used in a book by the Spanish geneologist Jerome de Sosa in 1676.

Translated from the German, "ahnen" means ancestor and "tafel" means table or list; because of this literal translation, ahnentafel is sometime incorrectly used to describe any list of ancestors. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com.


AHNENTAFEL NUMBERS
the universally used method of numbering ancestors.

In it the number 1 is assigned to the subject of the list, then his or her father is No. 2, the mother is No. 3, the paternal grandfather No. 4, etc.

In this system, a person's father's number is always twice the person's number and his or her mother's number is twice-plus-one.

Because of the structured nature of the sytem, a person's ahnentafel number can be used to describe his or her relationship to the subject of the list.

This method of numbering ancestors is used worldwide and is also called the "Sosa-Stradonitz System," after the genealogist who first used it and the one who popularized it (see AHNENTAFEL above)

. This method of numbering ancestors is used both on lists of ancestors or on ancestor charts. - Richard Pence -- richardpence@pipeline.com

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randyj2222/gendict....


google
"Sosa-Stradonitz System,"


no STOP there Hugh !

Re: Genealogy Report Format

Posted: 5 Jul 2004 3:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the information on ahnentafel, Hugh.

There's a site that explain most of the systems in common use, together with a bit of history on each:

www.saintclair.org/numbers/

Very information site. It also discusses the strengths and weaknesses of each system. If this is a topic that interests, you, it's a good place to start.

Lee Kaiwen, Taiwan

The Last Word on Numbering Systems ?

Posted: 5 Jul 2004 4:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Sep 2005 8:04PM GMT
better with a hot link

http://www.saintclair.org/numbers/

The Last Word on Numbering Systems
http://www.saintclair.org/numbers/numlastw.html

I like automation best

Hugh W

Re: Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack

Posted: 20 Feb 2005 9:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Lee Kaiwen,

Did you ever decide on how best to organize your hard copy files?

For awhile I used Clooz. But I hated the idea that I had to run two different software programs to manage my genealogy research. Clooz did help me think through how I might organize my hard copy files. And I followed it for awhile, but I didn't like it. They had me put all census records in one place, and birth records in another. That just didn't jibe with the way I thought about my records-- i.e., by family name.

I ended up re-organizing my files by Surname. I have a 3-ring binder for each surname. Then using plastic insert pages, I place all my hard copy records in chronological order. I then create an index for each notebook.

A variation of this that I did before the chronolocal notebook system was to have a hanging file folder for reach surname, and then put document types in their own folder. For example, my surname/hanging file folder would be SMITH, then I would have manilla folders for:
- SMITH: Census records (and they'd be chronological inside of each folder).
- SMITH: Church Records

But after awhile, the dormant historian/storyteller in me woke up and insisted on something of a story-line, so that's how I ended up with notebooks by surname with all records in plastic sleeves, chronologically.

One exception I make to this is for those surnames where I am tracking a number of branches to the present. I'm thinking specifically here of my Buffalo Betz project (see my URL).

In this case, I had an emigrating family of BETZes that all came to Buffalo, NY. There were something like eight siblings. In my big fat BETZ notebook, I made divisions for each sibling. Therefore, all the records for Heinrich and his descendants are inside of one tab section; all of sister Elisabetha's records and descendants are in another, etc.

I have yet to find a good way to generate a good index for all these records (other than manually). So I'm still curious to hear how others organize their hard copy records.

Sincerely,
Jillaine Smith
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine

Re: Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack

Posted: 22 Apr 2007 2:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
I came here looking for a better idea, you JS, do it the same way I do. I have a notebook (docs in sleeves) and I use the hanging files for work in progress. I've learned the hard way to make notes on any tip I find. In front of each name I have a simple notepaper for jotting down anything I might forget before I reutrn to my project. You know the fragments that may lead to a dead end but you want to pursue it later. I've also learned to buy cheap ink and print all the bits and pieces from the net. Some stuff you can't return to later, it is gone.

Re: Ahnentafels as IDs, Sharon Carmack

Posted: 22 Apr 2007 7:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Jillaine -

Sounds like we've worked out pretty similar systems. I organize my documents primarily by family, secondarily by document type. I don't have enough documents, in most cases, to justify a separate binder for each family name, so I generally keep several names together in one folder (in separate sections, not mingled).

To each document I assign a code consisting of the first three letters of the family name, a three-letter code for the document type, then a 3-digit document number assigned sequentially as I add documents. If the document is multi-paged, I add a fourth field indicating page number. Thus, for example:

CUL-COR-017-002

would be page 2 of a correspondence (letter, e-mail, etc.) about Culvers.

(Later, it occurred to me my 3-letter name code should be the first three consonants of a name; this would facilitate keeping variant spellings -- e.g., Colver/Culver -- together. But it's too late to change now.)

I also digitize everything. This both allows me to easily share copies of documents, and minimizes the need to handle fragile stuff (e.g., my collection of 200-year-old family letters). My digitized scans are organized into folders by family name, and sub-folders by document type. Each computer file is just given the document code as its filename.

In my folders, I manually maintain an index page for each sections with the document name and a brief description. (On computer, the index is given document number 0; e.g., CUL-DEA-000 is the index of Culver death documents.) Again, I don't generally have so many documents that a quick visual scan of the index sheet won't locate things for me.

The system works well as long as a document is specific to a family; rather less well when it either relates to multiple families or is, say, geographically based (e.g., Atwater's The History of New Haven, Connecticut). In that case, I usually just choose a family to assign it to, then include a cross-reference to it on each concerned family's index sheet (e.g., my Bartsch index might have an entry saying "See also RIC-BIR-022").

-CJE Culver

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