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Your direct line - should it be poached?

Re: Your direct line - should it be poached?

Posted: 10 Sep 2014 10:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 10 Sep 2014 10:26PM GMT
"This is utter tosh."

Would people mind very much if we all kept this conversation civil? Thanks.

What I meant was that if you post a tree and work on your tree, it doesn't mean that you wished to share everything. What I meant (and I've also said both of these things, but I feel my posts were skimmed and words twisted out of context when others wish to wag a finger) is that a lot of new members are not aware what can happen once they post their family tree. I treid to cover various instances as to why someone might not wish to share their information or documents or research.

All of those wishes are provided for here and are valid here. No matter what others feel or say, people do have a right to keep themselves to themselves.

I wasn't referring to people who join just to browse as someone else said - but yes many do join for their free week and either browse or take as much info as they can, both from trees and from Ancestry's uploaded items and then they leave again. I'm not even sure any more what some here are objecting to about my posts since I'm often not even saying what they say I'm saying. Lol

Someone had said outright that if someone didn't want everything in their tree to be taken then they should just use Family Tree Maker and never join Ancestry. My point was they have a right to use Ancestry as they wish to and I believe Ancestry thinks the same or it wouldn't make private trees an option. I sure don't pay for a full membership in order *not to use Ancestry.*

" As I understand this, you can make your family tree private. easy peasey. "

Yes, other than, I still get hints from private trees as to their family tree for a given person; and I can click and see the list of family connections for that person in their tree, even if their tree is private. So, as far as research giving names and dates and a few of the connections (person's name, spouse's name, year married, children, etc.) for some reason that is never completely private. I've seen it often enough in other trees.

But I wasn't disputing whether people can make their trees private; I was saying that those who have an extreme problem with that perhaps should not visit that upon those who choose the private tree option. (Those are two completely different things.) In other words I'm saying much the same as you just said: People have a right to make a private tree and not be harassed over it.

In talking about the right to make a private tree and reasons why that is a fair thing to do, I was replying to those who accuse private tree owners of "selfishness" and "mine mine mine" and "in it for credit." I don't find those pejoratives fair or necessary.

"No need to get all fluffed up about it at all."

I wasn't, and I'm not. I'm fluffed up if at all, by others having a chiding tone with me, or criticizing me as a person or saying my words are inaccurate when in fact they haven't understood them or are twisting them out of context. I'm often saying the same thing they are or making the same point.

Also I understood your point about people posting information to the wrong tree. That is one reason I think provenance should be as pure as possible. If each person gets permission from the person who actually owns (holds copyright) on an item then there won't be 20 versions of it online all with different bylines (in the case of a written piece), or different captions saying different ancestors are in that photo.

I'm not even sure what is so controversial in my asking others to please ask permission before downloading, or using, or especially before re uploading, a photo or written piece elsewhere.

People are missing the forest for the trees if they take issue with how I phrased something when I'm saying the same thing they are and my point is in the end to help people protect what is theirs, and share *willingly* but not feel coerced or forced to do so. That isn't "sharing" any more, that's intimidation and coercion at times. Shaming people into giving over what someone wants. Is it really so hard to simply ask them first? That's all I am recommending that people do.

"I started this thread a long time back, and at the time my main concern was not that people were 'stealing' or 'poaching' my information, that's silly."

Well the title just says "poached," and apparently the discussion has forked off into other areas since it was first posted in 2011. Internet topics do that.

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