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Re: kyle family ancestry

kylis77 — 2013-04-08 00:28:26Z

Hey excellent information i am decendent of marck kyle.

Alexander, King of Scotland & Sybilla Elizabeth Fitz Henry

DianeFarrar — 2013-03-24 03:31:01Z

I have found many public member trees that indicate that Alexander "The Fierce", King of Scotland (1078-1124) and Sybilla Elizabeth Fitz Henry (1091-1122), illegitimate daughter of King Henry the 1st, are the parents of Aveline Ales, Princess of Scotland (1109-1159).
However, Wikipedia & other online encyclopedias state that this couple was childless.
Does anyone have proof of Aveline's parentage?

Re: Hoges of Bemersyde

CampbellJill — 2011-09-03 00:52:07Z

See Haig surname board

Re: Wigtownshire, Penningham Parish, 1782 & 1832 maps

mundych7 — 2011-08-12 22:22:09Z

that was perfect. thanks. Would you know if you can use one of these in publishing family genealogy notes?

Re: Wigtownshire, Penningham Parish, 1782 & 1832 maps

mundych7 — 2011-08-12 18:34:09Z

thank you so much. My ggggrandfather was a crofter at Clary and Baltersan. I want to visit the area next year. cm

Wigtownshire, Penningham Parish, 1782 & 1832 maps

swresearch — 2011-08-12 18:26:54Z

I had a note "John Thompson's Atlas of Scotland 1832 who used the 1782 map, but made a few changes".

Ainslie's 1782 map is at :
http://maps.nls.uk/counties/view/?id=685

Thompson's 1832 map is at :
http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/540.html

Balterson (if this is the one you want) is just above Clary, south Penningham Parish, shown on previous attachments.

To find it go to one of the above maps, and click on the area just north of Wigton Bay and click again (or double click) to keep zooming in.

Re: Wigtownshire, Penningham Parish, 1832 map

mundych7 — 2011-08-12 13:48:51Z

Thank you. I have been looking for a map that shows both Balterson and Clary. I was looking on ScotlandsPlaces.gov.uk but I still can't seem to zero in on the ones attached to this discussion.

Wigtownshire, Penningham Parish, 1832 map

swresearch — 2011-08-12 05:19:07Z

Penningham Parish, Wigtownshire, Scotland.
refer attached 1832 map for details.

Clary Castle

mundych7 — 2011-08-11 18:32:20Z

I am very interested in the map portion you attached to your message in 2007. Do you know where the complete map can be seen or even what date it might be?
My Ferguson ancestors lived there in 1841 and one of my cousins went in 2004 and took pictures of remaining building.

Re: kyle family ancestry

evettehill1 — 2011-01-30 00:17:42Z

If you are still looking for Christopher Columbus Kyle I can help with that. He is one of my ancestors. Email me at evettehill@hotmail.com

Gaelic name changes in Scotland

duncan1786 — 2010-04-17 05:53:57Z

I wasn't sure where to put this post, but thought it might be of help to some people of Gaelic roots whose ancestors names were anglicized. The following are quotes from "Southend Through the Ages" by K. Johnston. I found it at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/5998200/Southend-Through-the-Ages-...

The book/booklet seems to focus mostly on the history of Southend, and the Kintyre region of Scotland starting from 81 A.D. A few paragraphs later she says: "There are four ancient Irish chronicles, the oldest of which that Tighnernac ... is the most important." "The first entry in Tighernac annals in 502 'Fergus the Great, Son of Ere, held a part of Britain with the Dalriadic nation and died there'."

"There are those who think the Clan O'Dinnie of Lochodh (now the clan Campbell) may. like the McA'Chalies, be of Scandinavian origin. O'Dinnie means Odin -- 'which is a Scandinavian name'."

"...M'A'Chalies or in English MacSwan ... has lapsed into Kelly ... in Presbyterian records the name is spelt MacSwen ...Scandinavians use an 'e' where we use an 'a'."

"McO'Drains ... are now called Drain."

"Mc'OShanaig ... changed their name to Shannon."

"McFigans now call themselves Littleson."

"The O'Loynachan ... eventually became Lang."

"The McO'Stokers are now Stalkers."

"The McO'Levechels are now Carmichaels: O'Brolochan become Brody."

K. Johnston (whom I believe is Katie "Katherine" nee Martin) also made reference to: "The following Old Celtic names in Kintyre extracted from MSS of the Rev. Donald Kelly, M.A. Minister of the parish of Southend, are very interesting. These notes appeared in the Campbeltown Courier."

The front cover of "Southend Through The Ages" has been date-stamped 31 October, 1947. It was Printed by Civic Press Ltd., Glasgow.

Re: kyle family ancestry

susankyle114 — 2009-10-26 01:30:56Z

your welcome , let me know if i can help you further.

Re: kyle family ancestry

kimk1957 — 2009-10-26 01:28:17Z

Oh my gosh!!! Thank you SOOO much! I pulled out my Kyle family paperwork and wrote this info down. I had hit a dead end for 6 or 7 years now! Thank You!!!! Kim Kyle in Ohio

Re: kyle family ancestry

susankyle114 — 2009-10-25 19:31:37Z

Patrick had brother named : Marck Kyle b. 1608
Parents: Alexander Kyle b. 1580, Kelso, Roxburghshire, Scotland .

Nance Ainsley b. 1580

G-Father: William Kyle b. 1548

hope this helps :::::Susan

Re: Scottish Borders Families

scribblings21 — 2009-08-14 01:18:06Z

hi Geoff, its Joy, glad to see u researching, anything u come up with u can ring me 98163923.
A few different views here, I always believed originally Naismith's were blacksmiths and in fighting on the side of I think Robert the Bruce he used his forge to fix heir broken swords and they succeeded in taking the castle against the english, then Veitch as I thought their name was, was knighted and, with the words, u are nae a smith anymore, or something along those lines.

Re: Scottish Borders Families

geoffnaismith — 2009-06-17 00:59:14Z

Hello Helen Dearing. I am working on my family tree and have been told that Sir michael Naesmyth is my ancestor. My great great grandfather was Thomas Naismith who emigrated to Australia in 1853, leaving behind his family in their ancestral home known as "THE PEEBLES"which I believe was in the posso/ peebles area.Thomas was a baronet.He left scotland and his wife and children behind to start a new adventure in Australia. He met and married a 16 year old girl named Elizabeth Wiseman. I believe Thomas was born around 1802. I am trying to fill in the spaces from him back to sir Michael. In the 1970's My great uncle travelled to scotland and returned with our ancestry details and ancestral family prayerbook and an ancient woven silver tunic pin. In the early years of the twentieth century ,my great grandfather ,HERBERT ALBERT NAISMITH was offerd his inheritance of the ancestral home and title, but was not interested in living in Scotland and so forfeited the property to his relatives who, I am told sold it in the 1970's or 80's.If you have any information I would be delighted to hear from you.

English to Scottish Gaelic translation requested

Kim_1962 — 2009-03-24 03:01:31Z

Can anyone translate "Free As A Butterfly" from English to Scottish please.

Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

swresearch — 2009-01-24 04:05:51Z

The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland (R.M.S.)
are now on the internet, which may help us with early Houstons. i.e. Vol.II. AD1424-1513, p.931 Houston index, which is no.945 in the top box.

http://www.
archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Great%20Britain.%20General%20Register%20Office%20%28Scotland%29%22

Re: Scottish Borders Families-Naesmyth

HelenDearing — 2008-11-14 14:56:23Z

Mr. Gadie: Thank you for your response. Five years ago, I didn't even know what the word "burn" really means. I know nothing about the blacksmith profession, and apparently my ancestor in Scotland knew nothing, also, since a grateful King Alexander gave him land and title for his warrior skills, but acknowledged he was "nae smyth." I hope you are able to find out more about your family's blacksmith profession. Good Luck.
Helen Dearing

Re: Scottish Borders Families-Naesmyth

delitegaddie — 2008-11-14 05:39:37Z

Hello, pardon me for dropping in, My name is Reed Gaddie, a name found on the lowland ocean farms in eastern Scotland all the way north to the Shetland Isle. The question I have is you stated quote "....was valiant in battle but was not a blacksmith." My family name is mysteriously named in a river in Aberdeen shire called Gadie Burne. Our ancestors were in fact blacksmiths and I am curious if you have any information regarding the subject.
Thank you in advance for any effort or time you spend on this.

Yours Truly,
Reed Gaddie

Re: Scottish Borders Families

immccall153 — 2008-09-10 02:44:55Z

I, too, am descended from Sir Michael Naismith and will be happy to share whatever records I have. Isabelle

Re: Scottish Borders Families

jpk2010 — 2008-08-17 23:48:27Z

My gg-grandfather, Adam KER, (1809-1879) was born near Hawick, a border town in Scotland. He and wife, Margaret (1808-1877) nee RUTHERFORD, emigrated to Canada in 1832. I have no more information about their Scottish ancestors, and would dearly love to learn how to search for them, or any information others have.

I today noticed that the towns of Peebles and Hawick are quite close to each other in a map I found online. http://www.aboutscotland.com/tour/tourmap.html

Re: Garlies Castle & Clary Castle c.1563

swresearch — 2007-12-29 18:02:19Z

re: Thankyou for your reply to my query regarding the two properties of Clary Castle and Garlies / Garroles Castle :
"I had wondered if Clary Castle, the home of the Bishops of Galloway, was also known as Garlies Castle because Queen Mary visited Alexander Stewart, younger of Garlies, there on 11 Aug 1563."

Book "Wigtownshire Charters" Third Series, Edited by R.C.Reid, LL.D. Vol. LI (51) also notes Garlies / Garroles, of Alexander Stewart, younger, who was probably residing at Clary / Clarie Castle, home of the Bishops of Galloway :
pp.239 240. No. 326. AD1551/2, February 26,
"Instrument of sasine at the hand of Alexander Adair N.P. narrating that John Broun as bailie of William Carnis of Orchardtoun elder on precept dated at Edinburgh 8 Feb. and witnessed by sir John Maxwell of Terreglis, Alexander Stewart of Garroles younger, Dom. John Brice vicar of Dumfries, schir George Richartsoun vicar of Kilgour, John Lokart chaplain and Mr. Nicolas Robesone, - infeft John Carnis of Quiltis, son of the said William Carnis, and Margaret McCulloch spouses conjointly in an 8/ land of his lands of Glenure called Blairboy, held of the crown. Witnesses : Peter Craik messenger to the queen, Rolland McCaquha and Alexander Thomsoun. (See R.M.S., 1546/80-676.). Galloway Charters"

Re: Garlies Castle

glensmailmouse — 2007-12-29 17:20:03Z

From all records I have read Garlies has from the time of the first Kings of Galloway been referred to as Garlies and not by any other name. I have been interested in this because of my ancesters The Neilsons of Craigcaffie who are descended from one Fergus King of Galloway in the time of King David

Re: Garlies Castle

glensmailmouse — 2007-12-29 17:19:06Z

Re: Lairds of Houston, Keams and Fleming of Wigton Killed by Lamont Sons circa 1400

magabaker — 2007-11-21 13:38:09Z

Jim, In 1372, Thomas, Earl of Wigton and grandson of Sir Malcolm Fleming, sold his estate to Sir Archibald Douglas, lord of Galloway, the illegitimate son of Sir James Douglas.
The Laird of Houston might have been a brother of Sir Patrick Houston who died in 1450.
Cannot find anything about the Lairds of Keams yet.

Re: McKinley

magabaker — 2007-09-13 10:23:45Z

Jan, Looked up "McKinley" in the Scottish Clan and Family Names" book. It was spelled at one time "Mackinlay."

The clan country of the Mackinlays was the Lennox district, but records are obscure. The Mackinlays of Lennox descended from Findlay, a son of Buchanan of Drumikill. The other Lennox clans, many Mackinlays were also connected with Clan Farquharson, descendants of Farquharson of Braemar in the sixteenth century. There were Findlays or Mackinlays also in Lochalsh and Kintail. Variant spellings of Mackinlay are Donleavy, Finlay, Findlay, Finlayson, Macinally and Mackinley.
The name is also found in the North of Ireland among settlers of the Scots plantation of Ulster. William McKinley, 25th President of the US, was an Ulster Scot.

Margie

Re: McKinley

magabaker — 2007-09-13 10:23:42Z

Re: Hoges of Bemersyde

ash1153 — 2007-08-17 16:28:51Z

I am a decendant of William and John (brothers) Hoge. I am from Washington PA originally. William and John Laid out the land in Washington Pa and Williams grave resides here. There are many many many hoges that live in this area. There is written history in a book called the Crumrine a historical record of Washington County. Also, I found this really great letter biography http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/chester/bios/hoge000...

Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

moragmcurrie — 2007-08-17 09:49:20Z

can't help you with any of the rest of your enquiry but i know that jane kennedy was the daughter of lord cassillis and recieved mary 's silver cross from her own hand as i've seen it .

Lairds of Houston, Keams and Fleming of Wigton Killed by Lamont Sons circa 1400

JimHouston49 — 2007-06-16 00:01:10Z

On the Clan Lamont/Scottish Forum at http://aztech.ws/forums/archive/t-1138.html exists a transcription of a letter written on 4th of November, 1699, concerning the Lamont genealogy. An incident occurring about the year 1400 is described in the letter in which;
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"----the Laird of Keams, the Laird of Houston, and the Laird of Flemyng of Wigton, being over in Toward land hunting (who then belonged to the Court), committed some misdemeanor, and gave offense to the Laird of Lamond, who stirred up his four sones (the oldest being happily at Court). These four sones killed the aforesaid Lairds, upon which our familie was rent, and our lands given in requital of their blood whose successors obtained neu charters from the King of our lands; -----"
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Does anyone know who these "lairds" of "Keams", "Houston", and "Flemyng of Wigton", killed by the Lamont sons might have been?

Jim Houston

Jim Houston

Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

JimHouston49 — 2007-06-08 17:27:19Z

Shirley,

Thanks. It looks like this "Roberti Houstoun, rectoris de Luce might have had an illegitimate child named James whose birth he may have attempted to legitimize through the court in 1516 (transaction 2776, page 431 in "Registrum Secreti Sigilli Regum Scotorum: The Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland " from your your message availe at at: http://books.google.com/books?id=LN8gAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA431&a... )

Jim Houston

Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

swresearch — 2007-06-08 06:34:03Z

re: "Lord Luce", and "the sonne of Caldwell".
Sometimes Colville was spelt Caldwell.
The Colville connections may have been relatives of the Stewart-Colville family of Ochiltree ?

Some other Houston connections may be :

Book "Registrum Secreti Sigilli Regum Scotorum"
( Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland )
by Matthew Livingstone, Scot. 1908.
p.431. #2776. (c.prior AD1516)
Mons. (Rev.) Roberti Houstoun,
rectoris de Luce. (rector of Lusse / Luss ?)
............................
THE NEW SETTLERS IN TIRCONNELL, OR DONEGAL, Ireland.
"Plantation of Ulster," in the reign of King James the First, the following families are, in Pynnar's Survey, A.D. 1619, given as the possessors of Donegal:
John Murray, all Boylagh and Banagh.
The following had various districts:
Captain Thomas Dutton, Alexander Cunningham (or Conyngham), John Cunningham, James Cunningham, Cuthbert Cunningham, Sir James Cunningham, James MacCullagh / McCulloch ;
William Stewart, the Laird of Dunduff;
Alexander MacAwley / McAulay, alias Stewart;
the *LAIRD OF LUSSE / LUSS / LUCE.
Sir John Stewart, Peter Benson, William Wilson, Thomas Davis, Captain Mansfield, Sir John Kingsmill, Sir Ralph Bingley, Sir Thomas Coach, Sir George Marburie, *Sir William STEWART, Sir Basil Brooke, Sir Thomas Chichester, Sir John Vaughan, John Wray, Arthur Terrie, Captain Henry Hart, Captain Paul Gore, Nathaniel Rowley, William Lynn, and Captain Sandford.

There was a William Houstoun who may have been one of the gentlemen from Wigtownshire, Scotland, amongst the 100 people who went over with Sir William Stewart ?

Garlies Castle & Clary Castle c.1563

swresearch — 2007-06-05 05:27:49Z

Thankyou.
I had wondered if Clary Castle, the home of the Bishops of Galloway, was also known as Garlies Castle
because Queen Mary visited Alexander Stewart, younger of Garlies, there on 11 Aug 1563.

Re: Garlies Castle

13confido — 2007-06-05 04:58:00Z

No.

Garlick Hill (1,445 feet) overlooks the Cumloden Park and the Penkill Burn runs down Into Minnigaff and Newton Stewart. Here nestles 15th century Garlies Castle, once the family seat of the Stewarts.

Garlies Castle

swresearch — 2007-06-05 04:17:09Z

re: Alexander Stewart.
Was Garlies Castle also known as Clary Castle
or Clarie Castle ? Thankyou

gadie burne, aberdeenshire, scotland

delitegaddie — 2007-03-26 00:28:36Z

hello,
my name is Reed Gaddie, a cousin to most of the Gaddies living in Hart County Kentucky USA, and our father was traced back to a descendant William Gaddey (Gaddy,Gadie,Gaddey) family whom left Scotland possibly about 1700-1732, and settled somewhere in New Kent County Virginia. My mother gave me a copy of a land lease in 1732, which stated he was from New Kent County Virginia, most of which parish records were burned in the civil war. Recently, our family travelled to Scotland to find our lost ancestors. We discovered them in the eastern coastal lowland towns of Arbothnott, Kineff, and Bervie. Some of our family at one time lived on the Orkney Island. One interesting fact is these towns were close to Aberdeen. In Aberdeen, there is today a river named "Gadie Burne" located at the back of the Benachie mountains. Additionally, there is a national song written regarding this river or Burne. My question for all those knowledgeable in Scotland's history. What is the source of the name "Gadie Burne." One individual suggested it may have been named after a family of ancient origin whom lived in that area perhaps even earlier than most historial records were recorded. According to another, the Gadie family was in that area even as early as the 4th century a.d. and was involved in some battle which nearly extinguished the family. This family anciently were known to be practice the skills of blacksmithing even perhaps of ancient weapons, and worked with precious ores. An inventory of widow Mary Gaddey in 1752 verified this fact. Back to my question - Does anyone know of the origin of the Gadie family, or Gadie Burne name?

Re: Begins in Scotland...

Chris_Comber — 2007-01-17 12:14:14Z

You might find the the McComber family helped establish Comber in Ireland.

I heard this from my grandad who was researching the Comber Family and thought we come from the McComber family.

Hope this is of interest

ccomber @gmail.com

Re: Begins in Scotland...

R_mesnard — 2006-11-13 20:31:58Z

There are pleanty of sorces on the web. Electric Scotland is one.

Re: kyle family ancestry

R_mesnard — 2006-11-13 20:31:58Z

You probably can't go further. Most Scotts were illiterate and most churches were burned to the ground in 1745 other with the members inside. Even if the records were hidden usually the priest was not alive to retrieve the records. Want you want to do is research mass deportations to Ireland. This happened enogh that I know of the practice. The old Scotts were homebodies. They would no leave their rock willingly. Whole septs would be banished from Scotland for causing trouble. I would research that. I would bet that your ancesters were not commoners. Someone would have ghad to write some of that information down.

Re: Scottish Borders Families-Naesmyth

2006-10-09 04:18:16Z

Judy, I apologize for having missed your message when you posted it. I visit Naesmyth.com. I am very interested in comparing our family lines descending from Sir Michael Naesmyth, and especially I would like to know, if you know, under what circumstance(s) the spelling of your name changed. My own line underwent a change before leaving Scotland, to Naismyth, if my research is correct, and after arriving in the New World, the name is found spelled Nasmith, Nessmith, and my own line NeSmith. If the legend of the origin of the family name is true, that Alexander III granted land to one of his men, dubbing him "Nae Smith," saying the man was valiant in battle but not a blacksmith, as he had pretended, then the name could not go back many generations past Sir Michael. I have not been able to pin down the date. The name "Robert" has come down my family line, but I don't know in whose honor. Also, as to your your phrase, "Robert did Armorial work for King Andrew year unknown." I know of no King Andrew of Scotland, but if that King could have been King Alexander, then the Armorial work you speak of might have been the occasion of Alexander's creating the first "NaeSmith." If you did mean King Alexander, that is exciting because this is the first clue I have had as to the name of King Alexander's Naesmyth.

I hope this reaches you and that we can exchange information.

Helen Dearing

Re: Scottish Borders Families Naesmyth

2006-10-09 03:12:56Z

Sandy, just today I saw your posting from 2004. Please tell me I answered you privately. If not, my apologies. My family also descends from Sir Michael's son Thomas and grandson James Naesmyth m. Agnes Burnet. I have not been able to trace further back than Sir Michael, but I was told (with no source) that his father's name was James. Please let me know if you read this.

Houston & Mure of Cauldwell in the famous Casket Letters?

2006-09-10 01:11:25Z

Re: kyle family ancestry

2006-09-08 02:08:58Z

Okay. Good Luck.

Re: kyle family ancestry

2006-09-06 19:24:00Z

I will. I am in the process of getting all of my preliminary work done. i will get you the finished work.

Re: kyle family ancestry

2006-09-04 22:53:14Z

I only have what I found on Ancestry.com. I haven't really did any searching for the past two years.

Let me know what you do have...and I'll dig out my notes and book. kim

Re: kyle family ancestry

2006-09-04 05:54:45Z

I am wandering if you ever found out anything on Patrick Kyle born about 1600. He is my ancestor also and I am trying to further my search. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Place Castle

2006-08-13 03:21:40Z

Hi Andy,
My g.grandfather was Andrew Barcly born 1864 in Kilbirnie. My g.g. grandfather was Andrew Barclay, occupation enginesmith, born 1815. My g.g. g. grandfather was William Barclay occupation carter, born about 1772, married Marion Craig in Kilbirnie 3rd March 1797. I think there will be a connection someplace?
I was born in Dalry, grew up in Kilbirnie, now live in Vancouver, Canada.
Where and when does the Barclay Clan meet in California?
Moreen

Re: Place Castle

2006-08-09 18:01:57Z

Hi Moreen,
I was am descended through the Barclays of Ladyland a cadet family of the Barclays of Kilbirnie. My GGGreat Grandfather was Andrew Barclay born in Kilbirnie. His family moved to Kilmarnock early in the 19th Century. He was the founder of Andrew Barclay & Sons Ltd., Caledonia Works,
Kilmarnock. This company was famous for building small locomotives and other heavy engineering equipment.
I was born in Glasgow but my family moved to the Falkirk area. I emigrated to Australia 1967 and moved to California, USA in 1998.
Andy Barclay, FSA, Scot.
President of Clan Barclay International

Re: Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

2006-07-14 21:25:12Z

Jim,
Scot's Peerage, vol. II, p.468 shows Helen Kennedy,
dau of 2nd Earl of Cassillis. I will have to go back
to Johnston family, "The Lairds of Uchterlure" chart on p.103 of the "Wigtownshire Charters" Third Series, Vol. 51, of the Scottish History Society, and cross reference with "Scot's Peerage". Sorry, my mistake, you are correct as usual. Thankyou.