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Who Was the Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

Re: Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

Jim Houston (View posts)
Posted: 8 Jul 2006 12:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Houston, Stewart, Kennedy
Shirley,

Opps, I missed a very important Houston to Stewart connection!! William Houston, 3rd of Cotreoch first wife was Jane Stewart (I have a copy of her will). Since William Houston of Cotreoch and Jane Stewart were (I believe) the parents of William Houston, 4th of Cotreoch they must have been married sometime before 1570. Since the Casket Letters from Mary Queen of Scots to Bothwell mentioned Lord Darnley as living, the letter referenced in this thread must have been written before his murder in Feb 1566/67. Here is the revised summary:

(1) GILBERT '3rd Earl of Cassillis' KENNEDY + MARGARET 'Countess of Cassillis' KENNEDY
(2) CATHERINE 'Lady Barnbarroch' KENNEDY + PATRICK 'of Cascreoch and Barnbarroch ' VAUS
(3) KATHERINE VAUS + WILLIAM '4th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON (son of WILLIAM '3rd of Cotreoch' HOUSTON and JANE STEWART)
(4) WILLIAM '5th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON
(5) WILLIAM '6th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON + AGNES STEWART (daughter of ROBERT 'of Barclye and Tonderghie' STEWART)


Jim Houston

Re: Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

sw (View posts)
Posted: 8 Jul 2006 5:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Houston, Kennedy, Stewart
re: "William Houston, 3rd of Cotreoch first wife was Jane Stewart (I have a copy of her will). Since William Houston of Cotreoch and Jane Stewart were (I believe) the parents of William Houston, 4th of Cotreoch they must have been married sometime before 1570.

Since the Casket Letters from Mary Queen of Scots to Bothwell mentioned Lord Darnley as living, the letter referenced in this thread must have been written before his murder in Feb 1566/67. "

I have some doubts that the letter was written by Mary, Queen of Scots, it may have been partly forged.
Antonia Fraser has the English and Scottish versions
of the Long Casket Letter in the Appendix p.653.

Mary wrote in Italian, her natural hand, until she became prisoner and began to learn to write English, taught to her by her jailer, so the original letter must have been written in Italian ? Henry may have been only in his early 20s when he was murdered, and as he had that disease I don't blame Mary if she had him knocked off.

re :
(1) *GILBERT '3rd Earl of Cassillis' KENNEDY + MARGARET 'Countess of Cassillis' KENNEDY
(2) CATHERINE 'Lady Barnbarroch' KENNEDY + PATRICK 'of Cascreoch and Barnbarroch ' VAUS
(3) KATHERINE VAUS + WILLIAM '4th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON (son of WILLIAM '3rd of Cotreoch' HOUSTON and JANE STEWART)
(4) WILLIAM '5th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON
(5) WILLIAM '6th of Cotreoch' HOUSTON + AGNES STEWART (daughter of ROBERT 'of Barclye and Tonderghie' STEWART).

As well as my connections to the William Houstouns
of Cotreoch, Wigtownshire, I also had connections to the 3rd Earl of Cassillis through the Adair family.

The dau of 3rd Earl married William Adair who had son Ninian Adair. Ninian Adair had dau, Helen Adair who mc.1603 Gilbert Kennedy of Aryewlane (Glenluce) who was grandson of the 3rd Earl of Cassillis. Helen was sister of my Archibald Adair who m. Jeanette Houston, (dau of William Houston of Cotreoch).

Re: Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

Jim Houston (View posts)
Posted: 14 Jul 2006 10:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Campbell, Adair
Shirley,

Thanks. I may have an error in this area in my database associated with the Earl of Cassillis. I currently show it was Gilbert, 2nd (instead of 3rd) Earl of Cassillis who was with his wife Isobel Campbell the parent of a daughter, Helen who married William Adair of Kinhilt who were then the parents of Ninian Adair.

Jim Houston

Re: Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

sw (View posts)
Posted: 14 Jul 2006 9:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Kennedy
Jim,
Scot's Peerage, vol. II, p.468 shows Helen Kennedy,
dau of 2nd Earl of Cassillis. I will have to go back
to Johnston family, "The Lairds of Uchterlure" chart on p.103 of the "Wigtownshire Charters" Third Series, Vol. 51, of the Scottish History Society, and cross reference with "Scot's Peerage". Sorry, my mistake, you are correct as usual. Thankyou.

Houston & Mure of Cauldwell in the famous Casket Letters?

sw (View posts)
Posted: 10 Sep 2006 1:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Houston, Mure
re: Source of Casket Letters transcription, "The Letters In The Casket" http://ladyhedgehog.hedgie.com/casketletters.html

"Sir James Hamilton came to meet me, who told me that at another tyme he went his way when he heard of my comming, and that he sent unto him Houstoun, to tell him that he wold not have thought, that he wold have followed and acompany himself with the Hamiltons. He answered that he was not come but to see me; and that he would not follow Stuart nor Hamilton, but my commandment. He prayed him to go speak to him; he refuses it.

The Lord Luce, Houstoun and the sonne of Caldwell (relative of Mure of Cauldwell killed by Houstoun clan ?), and about xlty horse came to meet me that he was sent to one day o'law from the father, which shold be this day against the signing of his own hand, which he has, and that, knowing of my comming, he hath delayed it, and hath prayed him to go see him, which he hath refused, and give aith that he will suffer nothing at his hands. Not one of the town is omce to speak with me, which makith me to thkn that they be his, and they so speakith well of them, at least his sonne."
...............................................
Sir John Mure, 5th of Caldwell (d by 1538)
..m. Janet Stewart (dau of Matthew Stuart, 2nd Earl of Lennox – relative of Queen Mary’s husband ?)
a. John Mure of Caldwell (d c1544)
............At this stage, the main sources disagree.
............Crawfurd reports a John who in 1539 married Christian Ross ,
............then his son Sir John married Isabel Montgomery.
...........Crawfurd does not show a John as marrying Janet Kennedy,
............and shows William of Glanderston as son of the younger son of the John who married Isabel Montgomery.
.............We follow BLG1952 which is supported by Commoners.
..............m1. Isabel Montgomery (dau of Hugh Montgomery, 1st Earl of Eglinton)
b. Agnes Mure
m. Patrick Montgomery of Giffen
c. Elizabeth Mure
m. William Ralston of Ralston
d.+ other issue –
......Alexander of Kittochside (dsp),
......Robert Mure (d 11.04.1551), (killed by Houstoun clan ?)
......William, Archibald

Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

Posted: 8 Jun 2007 6:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Houstoun, Stewart, Cunningham, Lynn, Wilson, McCulloch
re: "Lord Luce", and "the sonne of Caldwell".
Sometimes Colville was spelt Caldwell.
The Colville connections may have been relatives of the Stewart-Colville family of Ochiltree ?

Some other Houston connections may be :

Book "Registrum Secreti Sigilli Regum Scotorum"
( Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland )
by Matthew Livingstone, Scot. 1908.
p.431. #2776. (c.prior AD1516)
Mons. (Rev.) Roberti Houstoun,
rectoris de Luce. (rector of Lusse / Luss ?)
............................
THE NEW SETTLERS IN TIRCONNELL, OR DONEGAL, Ireland.
"Plantation of Ulster," in the reign of King James the First, the following families are, in Pynnar's Survey, A.D. 1619, given as the possessors of Donegal:
John Murray, all Boylagh and Banagh.
The following had various districts:
Captain Thomas Dutton, Alexander Cunningham (or Conyngham), John Cunningham, James Cunningham, Cuthbert Cunningham, Sir James Cunningham, James MacCullagh / McCulloch ;
William Stewart, the Laird of Dunduff;
Alexander MacAwley / McAulay, alias Stewart;
the *LAIRD OF LUSSE / LUSS / LUCE.
Sir John Stewart, Peter Benson, William Wilson, Thomas Davis, Captain Mansfield, Sir John Kingsmill, Sir Ralph Bingley, Sir Thomas Coach, Sir George Marburie, *Sir William STEWART, Sir Basil Brooke, Sir Thomas Chichester, Sir John Vaughan, John Wray, Arthur Terrie, Captain Henry Hart, Captain Paul Gore, Nathaniel Rowley, William Lynn, and Captain Sandford.

There was a William Houstoun who may have been one of the gentlemen from Wigtownshire, Scotland, amongst the 100 people who went over with Sir William Stewart ?


Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

Posted: 8 Jun 2007 5:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Shirley,

Thanks. It looks like this "Roberti Houstoun, rectoris de Luce might have had an illegitimate child named James whose birth he may have attempted to legitimize through the court in 1516 (transaction 2776, page 431 in "Registrum Secreti Sigilli Regum Scotorum: The Register of the Privy Seal of Scotland " from your your message availe at at: http://books.google.com/books?id=LN8gAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA431&a... )



Jim Houston

Re: Sir Patrick Houston in the famous Casket Letters?

Posted: 17 Aug 2007 9:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
can't help you with any of the rest of your enquiry but i know that jane kennedy was the daughter of lord cassillis and recieved mary 's silver cross from her own hand as i've seen it .

Houston / Kennedy / Stewart Connections

Posted: 24 Jan 2009 4:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Houston, Kennedy, Stewart, Dunbar, Vaus
The Register of the Great Seal of Scotland (R.M.S.)
are now on the internet, which may help us with early Houstons. i.e. Vol.II. AD1424-1513, p.931 Houston index, which is no.945 in the top box.

http://www.
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