I've been trying to find out the parentage of Jean de Conteville, father of Herluin who married the mother of William the Conquerer and I've found three differing answers. I haven't made the trek to a library big enough to have good reference books on the subject, but thought I'd ask you for your thoughts.
1)I've seen lines that stop with Jean. 2)I've seen his father given as Baldwin III of Flanders (and then up to Charlemagne) 3)I've seen his father given as Baldwin II of Blois (and then up to Charlemagne)
Does anyone know? or can you give me a hint on what book(s) to look up at the New York Public Library?
Thanks =)
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First, Baldwin III of Flanders would be unlikely for a couple of reasons. He married, in 961, at age 20, and died Jan. 1, 962 (ES, AR7). His only child, his son Arnulf II, was born that same year, quite likely posthumously. Jean de Conteville was born ca 969, and assuming that’s correct, that’s 8 years after Baldwin III died. The information that Jean was the son of Baldwin II of Blois seems to work datewise, but is a little thin on proof. So as a result, some sources stop at Jean de Conteville (Planché, Turton), while some don’t go even that far (notably Moriarty & CP) stopping at his father, Herluin.
The sources mentioned here are ES (Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln), AR7 (Weis, Ancestral Roots, 7th Edition), Planché (The Conqueror and His Companions), Turton (The Plantagenet Ancestry), Moriarty (The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa) and CP (Cokayne, The Complete Peerage). Most if not all should be available at the New York Public Library. If you need more detailed citations, just ask.
Jim
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Ah thanks for the reply. Those should be good for starters. I can't wait to delve into them.
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The only credible source I know of that lists the lineage from Charlemagne to Jean (John) de Conteville is "The Pedigree of The Right Honourable Smith Burke, Earl of Clanrickard, Viscount Clanmorris and Baron of Dunkellin and John Bourke, Lord Viscount Mayo", A.D. 1748. What I have is a bound copy of the original manuscript, privately published, on loan from a Burke family researcher. You may have some trouble in locating a copy since there are apparently very few in existence. If so, I can transcribe the information on this connection as it appears in the manuscript. It's less than half a page in length so it won't be too much trouble.
Another quality source you should be able to find in the NY library is: Lewis C. Loyd, "The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families," Edited by Charles Travis Clay and David C. Douglas, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1975. The article on the family of Conteville (there were two of them), Specifically Conteville of Somerset, is on page 31 and details the family from Herluin without mention of his father Jean de Conteville. But it does fill in additional details on the family and lists his second wife, Fredescendis, as well as a son, Ralf. More details on this connection are found in ES III:694B. Please let me know if you find any new (quality) sources or any additional information on this connection--it's one of mine also. Thanks.
Jim
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I will surely pass on anything I find. I've only very recently discovered this line and I'm still in the midst of verifying it. This is the first line I've been able to get beyond about the Tudor years with any degree of certainty, and so medieval genealogy is not my strong suit. I thank you for advice, and if it's not too much trouble would love a transcription from that Burke book. My email address is rgwhite4@yahoo.com if that's better than here. Thanks again.
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I transcribed the page from the 1748 manuscript and sent it to you as an attached Word for Windows document. You should have it already--if not let me know. If anyone else wants a copy let me know and I'll send it via email.
Jim
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