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Re: HOLMES Family

Jim_Lalone — 2012-12-16 16:48:57Z

FYI - I heard via another query forum that the wife of William the immigrant is unknown and the posted genealogies are false going back into England.

Re: Boadicea (Queen of Britain)

jayswith — 2012-03-19 15:14:29Z

This is an excellent summation of what is known of Boadicea. It is also where the historical accounts stop. The web sites referred to in the initial posting would have to be based on fictionalized accounts. There is, unfortunately, no record of what happened to her two daughters or how Boadicea herself died. Jay

Re: Boadicea (Queen of Britain)

magabaker — 2012-02-06 14:59:02Z

BOADICEA/BOUDICCA, QUEEN OF THE ICENI (d. AD 62)
Famous warrior queen, the wife of Prasutagus, King of the Iceni (the Celtic tribe occupying Suffolk and Norfolk), who became a 'client king' of the Romans. On his death in AD60 Rome appointed her joint heir of his kingdom with his two daughters. The unfortunate girls were raped by some Roman officers, and their mother, on violently protesting at this outrage, was jeered at and flogged. This goaded her into gathering her tribesmen together and heading an armed rebellion against the newly established Roman rule. The Roman governor, Suetonius Paulinus, was absent in Anglesey and Boudicca was able to capture Camulodunum (Colchester) and Londinium, killing, it is said, 80,000 Romans and their allies in the process. Prior to her attack on Camulodunum, the inhabitants were reputedly terrified by various supernatural portents of disaster, including spectral bodies left by the ebb tide, a blood-red sea and strange unearthly shrieks. Only the return of Suetonius turned the tide. The Britons were defeated with great slaughter at Mancetter in Warwickshire and the queen ended her life by taking poison. Boudicca is best remembered by the popular forms of her name, Boadicea (the Roman rendering of Boudicca or Boudica). Tacitus described her fierce, ruddy countenance, her flowing red hair, her harsh voice and her red cloak, and reported the heroic speech she made to her tribesmen while standing in her chariot flanked by her daughters.

Link: Tudor Great Dunmow, Essex (late 1400s to late 1500s)

KateJ00 — 2012-01-26 16:51:56Z

I have been researching Tudor Great Dunmow for the last few years. The results of my research have produced lists of many of the inhabitants of Great Dunmow and its surrounding villages from the early 1500s onwards. Over the next few months, I will be posting some of these lists onto my blog. I have just uploaded the complete list of all the house-holders living in the town in 1526.

If you are interested the lives of the inhabitants and the times of a Tudor town, please take a look. www.essexvoicespast.com

HOLMES Family

jplalone — 2011-12-20 19:31:30Z

I am searching for the maiden name of Elizabeth, wife of William HOLMES, b. c. 1591/2 in England, who settled in Plymouth Co., MA. There are a number of trees on WorldConnect giving Elizabeth's maiden name as MADDEN. Can anyone produce documentation for that? Also William's lineage is given on about 102 trees (some with sources but no documentation), all which state that the gr-gr-grandfather is William HOLMES m. to Catherine HILYARD. However, the only source that I have found so far is the Yorkshire Visitation that states William HOLMES (the gr-gr-grandfather) was married to Ellen HILYARD and who had no son William (gr-grandfather) to my ancestor William who married Elizabeth and settled in MA.

Can anyone provide documentation to this lineage if it really exists, thanks, Jim.

Boadicea (Queen of Britain)

ydajdia — 2011-08-26 18:12:44Z

I was wondering, if it was ever proved that Boadicea's (Boudica) children ever had children. I have found on several sites that Julia (daughter of Boudica) had a child with Marius (Meric) King of Britain.

From what I understand, Boudica's and her two daughters commited suicide and the daughter's were young and never said to be married.

I have found this on ancestry too, but I am a little hesitant about believing this. Any information anyone has or an opinions would be appreciated.

‘The list of Derbyshire Gentry’ drawn up in 1433 (“12 Hen. VI.”)’.

bss2mc — 2011-07-12 15:58:43Z

A letter written by a Henry Kirke of Kings Newton commences ‘In a very able paper on the Leekes of Sutton, by the Reve. C.H. Clark, contained in the last number of the “RELIQUARY” I came across the following words “His name appears with the distinction of armiger in ‘The list of Derbyshire Gentry’ drawn up in 1433 (“12 Hen. VI.”)’. This letter, published in The Reliquary (1869 / 70, Volume 10 page 190) continues and provides a convincing argument that it is primarily a list of Derbyshire freeholders of ‘different degrees of importance under tha rank of gentleman’. The list contains 332 names and 18, including ‘Revell of Ogstone’, are reproduced in the letter.

Unfortunately, the paper by Reve C.H. Clarke in The Reliquary 1868 / 9 Volume IX does not cite a reference for the list and it appears to be a list so well known that no reference is required.

Turbutt comments in ‘A History of Ogston’ that this list is thought to contain the names of the Derbyshire freeholders who opposed the claim of the Duke of York to the throne of England, but again gives no information regarding its origin. BHOL and Magna Britannia likewise refer to it but fail to give the precise source.

Please can anyone shed any light on this list, and where it might be consulted.

Thanks,

Mike Clifford

de toeny,tosny,tony

ccbbrite — 2011-02-20 15:31:08Z

have some info in the way of trnslated documents plus one family tree by dugdale, if these can help ayone i would be only too happy to share the info.

CHAWORTH family, various sources

jplalone — 2010-05-29 03:15:22Z

There are numerous variations of the genealogy of this family just on this one line (and by the same token variations on other branches). I am interested in any comments or corrections for the following, especially where there is some article or publication that addresses the variations & can give an accurate genealogy. As you can see I have made comments primarily based on a posting by John P. Ravilious in the gen. soc. medieval mailing list. Thanks for any leads, Jim.
Sources listed at end.

SOURCE 1, pp. 121-124
1.Hugh de CHAOURCES + unk
2. Robert de CHAWORTH had issue
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Matilda HODINE/HESLING d/o Ernulph
3. Payen/Paganus CHAWORTH
[Comments: Robert of the second generation is carried on in more detail.]

SOURCE 2, p. 100
1. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
3. Pain de CHAWORTH + unk
4. Partick de CHAWORTH, d. 1257 + unk
5. Pain de CHAWORTH, d. 1278 + unk
5. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1282 (bro. of above) + unk
6. Maud de CHAWORTH + 1m. Henry PLANTAGENET, 2m. Hugh Le DESPENCER
[Comments: Patrick (gen. 1) m. to Guiberge/Wilbuiga/Wilburga de MONDOUBLEAU, generation 2 - Paine/Payne/Pagan de CHAWORTH m. unk. is missing. Patrick gen.2 should be renumbered to 3 and all others renumbered accordingly. Pain, gen. 3(4) m. to Gundrada de la FERTE; Patrick gen. 4(5) m. to Hawise de LONDON; Patrick gen 5(6) m. to Isabelle BEAUCHAMP. Gen. 6(7) did not 2m to Hugh Le DESPENCER.]

SOURCE 3, p. 111
1. Patrick de CADURCIS + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
3. Robert de CHAWORTH had issue
3. Pain de CHAWORTH + Gundred de la FERTE, d/o William.
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1257 + Hawyse de LONDRES
5. Pain de CHAWORTH
5. Hervey de CHAWORTH
5. Eve de CHAWORTH
5. Anne de CHAWORTH
5. Patric de CHAWORTH + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP, d/o William
6. Maud de CHAWORTH + Henry PLANTAGENET
[Comments: lots of confusing data here.]

SOURCE 4, p. 94
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. c. 1199 + Maud
2. Hugh de CHAWORTH, d. c. 1218
2. Pain de CHAWORTH, d. 1237, +1m. unk, 2m. Gundred de la FERTE d/o William & Margaret BRIWERRE
3. Hervey de CHAWORTH, d. c.1290
3. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1258 + Hawise de LONDON
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1283 + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP, d/o Thomas & Eve de TRACY
5. Maud de CHAWORTH, d. c.1320 + Henry of LANCASTER
[Comments: is someone confusing the first Patrick who m. Maud/Matilda de HESDIN with this first generation?]

SOURCE 5, p.372
1. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH + Matilda
2. Patrick de CADURCIS + Wiburga
3. Payn de CADURCIS + Gundred de la FERTE, d/o William & Margaret de BRIWERE
4. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1257 + Hawise de LONDRES, d/o Thomas
5. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1282 + Isabel BEAUCHAMP, d/o William. She 2m. Hugh LeDESPENCER
6. Maud de CADURCIS + Henry, Earl of LANCASTER
[Comments: gen 1 Patrick m. to Matilda/Maud de HESDING; gen 2 Patrick m. to Wiburga de MONDOUBLEAU. Gen. 3 Paine de MONDOUBLEAU aka CHAWORTH missing; gen. 3 Payn should be renumbered 4 and all other following renumbered accordingly.]

SOURCE 6, p. 23
1. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1257 + Hawise de LONDRES, d/o Thomas
2. Payne & others
2. Patrick de CADURCIS/CHAWORTH, d. 1282 + Isabel BEAUCHAMP, d/o William
3. Maud de CADURCIS m. Henry, Earl of Lancaster

SOURCE 7 , p. 35
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1052 + unk
2. Robert de CHAWORTH, b. 1094 had issue
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. 1093, d. 1052 (sic) + unk
3. Payne de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1123 + unk {this is a chart and there are dotted lines between this generation and the next, do not know if the author is unsure that the next generation Patrick is a son or if there is a generation missing or if he is illegitimate]
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH, b. c. 1155 + unk
5. Patrick de CHAWORTH, d. 1282 + unk
6. Maud de CHAWORTH, d. 1322 + Henry. Earl of Lancaster, d. 1345, s/o Edmund, Earl of Lancaster
[Comments: Patrick, gen. 1 m. to Maud de HESDIN; Patrick, gen. 2 m. to Guiburge de MONDOUBLEAU; Payne de CHAWORTH aka MONDOUBLEAU, gen. 3 m. unk; Patrick gen 4, m. unk; Paine de CHAWORTH m. to Gundred de la FERTE missing (gen 5) rest of generations to be renumbered; Patrick de CHAWORTH gen 4(5) should be the one who m. Hawise de LONDRES but date would be off for birth; Patrick gen. 5(6) m. to Isabel de BEAUCHAMP; Maud gen 6(7).]

Source 8, p. 116 & 97
1. Patrick de CHAWORTH + unk
2. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Matilda de HESDIN d/o Arnulf de HESDIN
3. _____ de CHAWORTH + unk
4. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Werberg
5. Pain de CHAWORTH + Gundred de la FERTE d/o William & Margaret de BRIWERE
6. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Hawise de LONDRES d/o Maurice & Mabel de CANTILUPE
7. Patrick de CHAWORTH + Isabel de BEAUCHAMP d/o William & Maud FITZ-JOHN
8. Maud de CHAWORTH + Henry PLANTAGENET s/o Edmund & Blanche d’ARTOIS
[Comments: Patrick gen 1 is Hugh; gen 3 is unknown; Patrick gen 4 is gen 3 m. to Werberg de MONDOUBLEAU; gens 4 & 5 are missing; Pain gen 5 is actually gen 6 and rest should be renumbered.]

SOURCE 9, p. 77
1. Patrick de CADURCIS, d. 1130 + Matilda de HESDING d/o Ernulf & Emmelina
2. Patrick de CADURCIS + Wilburga
3. Pagan de MONTDUBEL aka CADARCIS + unk
4. Patrick de CADURCIS

Most of the comments made are based on the AT that John P. Ravilious provides, using some sources that I don’t have. See: “de Chaworth of Kempsford, Gloucs. and les Seigneurs de Mondoubleau”
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:29:09 EDT http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2...

SOURCES:
1). TRANSACTIONS OF THE THOROTON SOCIETY, v. 7, 1903.
2). THE HISTORIC PEERAGE OF ENGLAND… by Harris Nicholas & William Courthope, London, 1857.
3). A GENEALOGICAL HISTROY OF THE DORMANT, ABEYANT, FORFEITED, AND EXTINCT PEERAGES OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, by Bernard Burke, new edition, repr. By Genealogical Pub. Co.
4). “Wall Inscriptions of Gloucester Cathedral Chapter House and the de Chaworths of Kempsford” in TRANSACTIONS OF THE BRISTOL AND GLOUCESTERSHIRE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOCIETY. V. 112, 1994.
5). LIMBUS PATRUM MORGANIAE ET GLAMORGANIAE: BEING THE GENEALOGIES OF THE OLDER FAMILIES…, by George T. Clark, London, 1886.
6). A HISTORY OF KIDWELLY, by D. Daven Jones, Carmerthen, 1908.
7). THE CHAWORTH ROLL: A FOURTHEENTH-CEWNTURY GENEALOGY OF THE KINGS OF ENGLAND, by Alice Bovey, London, 2005.
8). THE PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY, by W. H. Turton, Baltimore, repr. 1975.
9). THE HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT TOWN AND BOROUGH OF NEWBURY, IN THE COUNTY OF BERKS, by Walter Money, London, 1887

Boudicca and Victoria ferch Prasutagus

adclanham215 — 2010-05-26 10:49:41Z

A large number of on-line genealogies include this "Victoria ferch Prasutagus" as a daughter of Boudicca (a historical figure died c. 61 A.D.) and as the wife of King Marius (Welsh: Meurig), who is more of a myth. Geoffrey of Monmouth 1135 mentions Marius but does not say anything about Boudicca. I suspect this is part of a more modern fraudulent genealogy. Can anyone document the origin of the claim (regardless of its historical accuracy)?
Thanks,
HOWARD LANHAM

Re: Medieval Battle records go online

gobdav — 2010-04-23 19:37:33Z

Just wondering if anyone knows how to actually read these records? I was able to pull up names, and who they served under, but no other details i could find.

Re: Adam de DUTTON returned from the crusades in 1178

duffy82 — 2010-04-05 13:16:47Z

Having been to Appleton Thorn this week, we were interested in the legend of the tree and then looked up the ancestry of Adam De Dutton. I think you will find that there is an Adam de Dutton that was born in 1130. This may have been the Norman Knight mentioned in the legend.

Re: Adam de DUTTON returned from the crusades in 1178

Lindacalvert11 — 2010-03-05 21:20:41Z

Hi Stuart

Given that Adam was supposedly born circa 1157 and married in 1170 I think it's unlikely he would have had time to take part in the crusades and return by 1178.

However, his eldest son Geoffrey is alleged to have taken part, in the army of Richard of Cornwall in the 'rescuing' of Jerusalem from the Saracens in 1244, (a little difficult as Richard and his army returned home in 1241, and the reality of 1244 was that the Christian inhabitants were massacred and Jerusalem finally and totally fell into Muslim hands ) but the legend may have its roots in this tale.

You asked regarding your ancestor about the relevance of 1178. King Baldwin IV (the Leper King), led an army of two hundred knights & five hundred infantrymen against Saladin's forces, which were estimated at over thirty thousand!! took them by surprise while they were crossing a ford near the castle of Montgisard and shattered the Egyptian army, although in a reversal of fortune just months later the Christians were on the receiving end. After great losses on both sides the two leaders concluded a two year truce.

So there you have it, a lull in the fighting that many of the soldiers may have used as a reason to return home.

Hope it's of use to you
Linda

Adam de DUTTON returned from the crusades in 1178

stuartstarkey — 2010-01-31 10:07:20Z

Hi,

In the village of Appleton Thorn in Cheshire there is a thorn tree which, it is said, was planted by Adam de Dutton on his return from the crusades in 1178.

The year 1178 seems to be somewhere in the middle of the second and third crusades so I am confused as to where Adam de Dutton could have been returning from.

I ask this because I have heard a story that a Starkey ancestor also went on the crusades around the same time.

Stuart Starkey

Early DeSPENCER / SPENCER families

jplalone — 2009-12-17 15:51:53Z

Because of the vast and conflicting amount of material on the early SPENCERs, I will try and sort out a little of it and put the various genealogies together so the researcher can see what the problems are and go from there.

The origin of the name SPENCER comes from the office of despencer, that is “steward”. This was apparently an inherited title. The name or title is of Norman-French origin. Medieval genealogy is not my forte so additions/corrections are appreciated.

Genealogy A -
This genealogy is based on the Duchess of Cleveland’s work BATTLE ABBEY ROLL and also on Arthur Collins; work on the genealogy of the SPENCER and CHURCHILL families.

1. Tancred, whose fief was Tancarville, which was situated about 30 miles up the Sieve from La Havre. The TANCARVILLEs were hereditary chamberlains of Normandy. Tancred was living in 912. He had a son:

2. Rabel. The next named is:

3. Gerard, Baron of Tancarville, toward the end of the 10th century. He was father of:

4. Rabel II (aka Raoul). He had two sons:

5. Ralph (aka Raoul) & Almeric (aka Amaury) d’ABBETOT

6. Robert le DESPENCER is called the son of Almeric by some and son of Ralph de TANCARVILLE (aka d’ABBETOT) by others. He was the brother of Urse d’ABBETOT. Robert was the steward to William the Conqueror in 1066. There is some question as to whether Robert was married let alone had children. However because the office of steward was hereditary som authorities believe the next steward was his son, however he may have been a brother, or nephew, or no relation at all.

7. William/Guillaume le DESPENCER, steward to King Henry I and was living in 1100.

8.Thurstan le DESPENCER, was the next steward to King Henry I. He was believed to be a son or brother to William above. However, to some evidence he also fits in Genealogy C #3.

Genealogy B -
Source for this is the VISITATION OF WARWICKSHIRE.

1. Juon/John, Vicount of Constantine; m. to Emine of BRITTANY, sister to Alani, Ct. of BRITTANY.
Children:
i. Horswinus
ii. Wolmerus
iii. Edwardus
2. iv. Hudardus (to follow)
v. Nigellus
vi. Wolstanus, Lord of Hatton

2, Hudardun, Lord of DUTTON; m. to Alicia.
Son:

3. Hugo, Lord of DUTTON
Children:
i. Adam, Lord of DUTTON; m. to Agnitia, dau. of Roger.
ii. Hugo, who is identified as the same as Hugo, #2 in Genealogy C.

Genealogy C
Sources for this are ADDITIONS TO DUGALE’S BARONAGE, DEEDS RELATING TO KNIGHTWICK, COUNTY WORCHESTER, VISITATION OF WARWICKSHIRE and COLLINS PEERAGE.

1. Thurston (? De TURBEVILLE), fl. 1080. Had:

2. Hugo le DESPENSOR (reign of Henry I) identified as the same as #3ii in Genealogy B; m. to Helewisa. Had:

3. Thurstan le DESPENSOR.
Children:
i. Walter, Lord STANLEY.
4 ii. Alaric (to follow)
iii. Hugh, accompanied Richard I to the Holy Land. Poss. ancestor of Hugo, see next.
iv. Geffrey, he is stated as being the ancestor of Hugo, Chief Justice of England, as is his brother Hugh.

4. Almaric lee DESPENSOR, Lord STANLEY, sheriff of Rutlandshire, steward to Richard I. 1m. To Amabil de CHESNEI/CHESNEY, dau. of Walter de CHESNEY
Children:
i. Juliana; m. to William BARDOLPH
2m. To Alda/Eldae BLUET/BLEWETT
Children:
5 ii. Thurston (to follow)
iii. Daughter; m. Peter de STOHS
iv. Hugh
v. Almeric
6 vi. Peter (to follow)
vii. Ralph

5. Thurstan le DESPENCER, Sheriff of Glouchestershire, b. c.1216, d. c. 1248/0; m. to Lucia.
Children:
i. Geoffrey/Galfridus, d. 1251; m. and had child Geoffrey.
ii. Adam; m. Joan and had child Almaric.

6 Peter le DESPENSOR; m. Isabella de EUENS/EWWYAS, dau. of Richard.
Children:
i. Richard, took surname of EWYAS, had child Clara.

HERVEY / HARVEY Family in England

jplalone — 2009-12-01 17:24:44Z

There are a number of variations of the early HERVEY (HARVEY) genealogy given in THE VISITATION OF SUFFOLKE made by William Hervey, ed. by Joseph Jackson Howard, v.2, 1868, pp. 134-205 (available from google books). Leo van Pas on his Genealogics website has still another variation. Does anyone know what the definitive genealogy is on this family or what sources (articles) may correct the printed/posted genealogies? WorldConnect on Rootsweb has numerous listings but again which, if any, are correct? Thanks, Jim.

Medieval Battle records go online

C_Cayemberg — 2009-07-21 13:06:15Z

This article posted on BBC website. Hope it may be of use to people researching family history in the UK. I am copying the article in case the link does not work in the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8160081.stm

The article doesn't have the website on it but I did a search and it is: http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/

Medieval battle records go online
The new website reveals which medieval soldiers rode the furthest

The detailed service records of 250,000 medieval soldiers - including archers who served with Henry V at the Battle of Agincourt - have gone online.

The database of those who fought in the Hundred Years War reveals salaries, sickness records and who was knighted.

The full profiles of soldiers from 1369 to 1453 will allow researchers to piece together details of their lives.

Thomas, Lord Despenser is the youngest soldier on the database, whose career began when he was aged just 12 in 1385.

Elsewhere, the career of Thomas Gloucestre, who fought at Agincourt, can be traced over 43 years and includes campaigns in Prussia and Jerusalem.

'Remarkable survival'

The website is the product of a research project by Professor Anne Curry of the University of Southampton and Dr Adrian Bell of the University of Reading.

Dr Bell said: "The service records survive because the English exchequer had a very modern obsession with wanting to be sure that the government's money was being spent as intended.

"Therefore we have the remarkable survival of indentures for service detailing the forces to be raised, muster rolls showing this service and naming every soldier from duke to archer."

He said accounts from captains showing how funds were spent and entries detailing when the exchequer requested the payments can be found.

The free-to-use website, funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council, also shows which soldiers rode the furthest.

Re: pipe rolls

sunnylew75 — 2008-11-17 09:30:59Z

The pipe roll society itself has uploaded the first 35 or so of their volumes to www.archive.org. they also have a website which I think is www.piperollsociety.com. I'm not sure if that's right, but I know that the main part of the website adress is correct.
They list what is in each pipe roll on their site, because they also have feet of fines and curia regis rolls.
For early rolls (fine and patent and close) try www.archive.org as well. but be aware that the search is very specific - a search for "roll" will not return things with "rolls" in their names. Also, make sure you select the search only texts option.

Re: Reynell to Reynolds family history and/or blazon

mrraymondreynolds01 — 2008-10-20 10:22:42Z

IT STATES MY GRANDFATHER WAS CAM REYNELLS BEFORE IT WAS CHANGED TO SAM REYNOLDS. HE WAS MARRIED TO ANNIE GOINS I THINK. MY FATHER WAS RAY REYNOLDS, AND I AM PRETTY SURE THEY CAME FROM BALLARD COUNTY KENTUCKY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF THIS IS THE SAME FAMILY NAME PLEASE CONTACT ME AT mrraymondreynolds01@comcast.net...THANK YOU, SIR...SINCERELY, RAYMOND REYNOLDS

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

veronicatroutt — 2008-10-19 15:30:58Z

Do you relly want to know. yes he had several wives and several mistress and as many children as King Henry the VIII which had eight wives that is according to ancestry.com

Before England...

BdDiZzLe — 2008-05-05 23:54:01Z

Well, My last name is Batte and I have a few questions about my heritage. I am Not sure how to find out my family history before 1300's in england. I am interested in Finding out my roots before England and where they are. According to Ancestry.com's place of orgin surname finder, My name either comes from Germany, Italy, England, Ireland, Russia, or Württemberg. All want is a way to find out where my family was before England. I am planning on getting the DNA test but I would like to do a little reasearch before I go strait into it.

Thanks,
Brent

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

magabaker — 2007-11-20 13:01:17Z

Frank, The Richard I "the Lion-Hearted" of England was married to Berengaria of Navarre. Everything I've read states that it is doubtful that this marriage was ever consummated. They believe that Richard was homosexual. Richard was the third son and fourth child of Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine. You might have this, but here is a brief lineage from the Dukes of Normandy to Richard I of England:
Ganger Rolf (Rollo) "the Viking", Duke of Normandy
William I, "Longsword", Duke of Normandy
Richard I, Duke of Normandy
Richard II, Duke of Normandy
Robert I, Duke of Normandy
William II of Normandy and I of England
Henry I of England
Matilda
Henry II of England
Richard I "the Lion-Hearted" of England

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

frankiebloom331 — 2007-11-20 08:42:18Z

I agree with the Wm 1 - but Richard (in one instance alone) I found married a "Berengaria of Navarre" en route to the Holy Land - Presided over by the Norman Bishop of Evreux officiating. My source for that is the Oxford illustrated history of the British Monarchy by John Cannon & Ralph Griffiths - Oxford Press 1988.
I subsequently found those initial lines I was asking about actually ran through Henry 1 Beauclerc.
Thanks for your reply

Re: Edward Aethieling & Agatha Unknown

magabaker — 2007-11-20 05:06:21Z

Sue, If you are related, than hello cousin.
This is all I have on Agatha:
Agatha (abt 1025-after 1066), wife of Edward the Exile. She was identified by Szabolcs de Vajay, as the daughter of Liudolf, Margrave of West Friesland and his wife Gertrudis, who was probably daughter of Hugo IV of Egisheim, count of the Lower Alsace. Liudolf's mother, Gisela of Swabia, married three times and his father was her first husband Bruno, Count of Brunswick. Giselda's second husband was Ernst of Babenberg, Duke of Swabia, and her third husband was Conrad II the Salian, German king and Holy Roman Emperor, by whom she became the mother of the Emperor Heinrich III. This explains why Agatha is always referred to as a niece of the German Emperor "Henry."

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

magabaker — 2007-11-20 04:57:13Z

Frank, Do you mean William I of Normandy? If you did, than he only had one wife, Matilda of Flanders.
As for Richard of Normandy (the way you had it worded), he was a son of William I of Normandy and he never married.

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

magabaker — 2007-11-20 04:57:11Z

Re: Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

magabaker — 2007-11-20 04:57:07Z

Richard the I and Wm of Nomandy

frankiebloom331 — 2007-09-27 07:07:56Z

I'm begining to wonder about the accuracy of the search engine of this site.
Everytime I trace my Maternal side all leads go thru Richard the I
4 different angles so far.
How many wives did he have???

Re: Medeival Occupations

HHilpert — 2007-09-11 16:13:50Z

Thanks a lot. Maybe I'll check out your group.One doesn't read in english much on german or other medieval history.
Would like to go to Germany someday and visit relatives in Nuremberg.One of the cousins there I understand is the family historian and in charge of the family history book.

Re: Medeival Occupations

StacyeMehard — 2007-09-06 07:26:50Z

I have posted your question on a German Medieval History - YahooGroup that I am on. If anyone has an answer I will let you know.

Stacye
GreensAndNettles@Cox.net

Memorial Day thought for Henry Hotspur Percy (May 20, 1364/6 – July 21, 1403)

danallendc — 2007-05-25 21:53:57Z

Hotspur was a great warrior against the Scots and French. His success paused, when he was captured in The Battle of Otterburn in 1388. This battle took place partly under moonlight, near the border of Scotland. Later, Hotspur was ransomed. He went to Calais in 1391, then was governor of Bordeaux from 1393 to 1395.

Upon returning to England, Hotspur joined with his father and helped depose King Richard II in favour of Henry of Bolingbroke, who later became King Henry IV. Later with his uncle, Thomas Percy, Earl of Worcester, he led a rebellion against King Henry IV, forming an alliance with the Welsh rebel, Owain Glyndŵr. Before they could join forces, Hotspur was defeated and killed at the Battle of Shrewsbury when he raised his visor to get some air (as he was wearing plate armour which restricted air circulation) and was immediately hit in the mouth with an arrow and killed instantly.

Henry IV, upon being brought the body, was said to have wept and ordered the body buried. He was buried in Whitchurch, Shropshire, but the king then decided to make an example to all those who would rebel; His body was exhumed, cut up into four quarters and sent around all of England. His head was stuck on a pole at York's gates.

Hotspur's son, Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, was killed in the The First Battle of St Albans (May 22, 1455), seen as the first battle of the War of the Roses.

The next Henry Percy in line was Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (age 34 when his father was killed in 1455). He commanded the Lancastrian van (supply depot?) at the Battle of Towton, where he was killed. The Battle of Towton was the largest and bloodiest ever fought on British soil, with casualties believed to have been in excess of 20,000. The battle took place on a snowy 29 March 1461 (Palm Sunday) on a plateau between the villages of Towton and Saxton in Yorkshire.

Hotspur was never an Earl. His father was the 1st Earl of Northumberland, and his son was the 2nd, because Hotspur predeceased his father.

Medeival Occupations

HHilpert — 2007-03-26 15:53:43Z

I am looking for information on medeival occupations.According to records in Germany,some ancestors of my late father were Herditary Foresters in Baden.
I'm sure this postion was the same in England. How did one get to be a forester and how did the position get handed down from father to son?

Reynell to Reynolds family history and/or blazon

SirRaunaldi — 2007-02-12 08:40:30Z

Can anyone please help me out here? I am trying to locate the reason why my ancestors went from Reynell to Reynolds as a last name and no, its not cause a woman was married. For some reason, the direct male lineage changed the name and I am curious as to why. Also, I am looking for pictures of accurate Reynolds (English descent) and Reynell (also English) coat of arms or blazons.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Mark Reynolds

Norton name origin and the Nortons of Sharpenhoe

2004-09-07 22:01:44Z

It doesn't appear that the Nortons of Shapenhoe were established there in 1100. Does anybody know where they came from (other than Normandy).

I have heard that they are connected with the Nortons of York (Norton-conyers) in fact that Adam Norton-conyers was the son of Margaret Norton of the Sharpenhoe Nortons.

Since the Sharpenhoes are noble, they could have taken the name from DeNorville or lands in the North country York.

There is no manor for the Nortons in Sharpenhoe. If they are noble, where are their lands? all of this is pointing to the hisotry of I have of Margaret Norton inheriting the land in York, marrying John Conyers and establishing on her land at Norton-Conyers from the 1300's.

What does anyone know?

Re: pipe rolls

shaz48 — 2004-07-26 08:37:55Z

There is a bit of information on these at
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/guide/pip.shtml

Sharon

pipe rolls

2004-07-23 21:26:26Z

where can i obtain copies of or information within saxon england's pipe rolls? i'm searching for particular names of various ancestors

Edward Aethieling & Agatha Unknown

SueAnnMorrow51 — 2002-03-11 02:41:23Z

I am currently trying to locate the Surname of the Unknown Spouse listed below: This family is a part of my family tree which may be related either directly or indirectly to me. If you have any additional information or corrections on this family would you please email me at KentuckyBumpkin@att.net. Thank you in advance!

Descendants of Prince Edward Aethieling

Generation No. 1

1. PRINCE EDWARD10 AETHIELING (EDMOND THE SECOND KING OF9 ENGLAND, ETHELRED THE SECOND KING OF8, KING OF ENGLAND7 EDGAR, THE FIRST KING OF ENGLAND6 EDMOND, EDWARD THE ELDER KING OF5 ENGLAND, ALFRED THE GREAT KING OF4, KING OF WESSEX3 ETHELWOLF, UNKNOWN SON2 ECGBERHT, UNKNOWN SON1 EALHMUND) was born in England, and died 1057 in London, England. He married AGATHA UNKNOWN in Hungary.

Child of PRINCE AETHIELING and AGATHA UNKNOWN is:
2. i. MARGARET11 AETHIELING, b. England; d. 1093, Dunfermline, Scotland.

Generation No. 2

2. MARGARET11 AETHIELING (PRINCE EDWARD10, EDMOND THE SECOND KING OF9 ENGLAND, ETHELRED THE SECOND KING OF8, KING OF ENGLAND7 EDGAR, THE FIRST KING OF ENGLAND6 EDMOND, EDWARD THE ELDER KING OF5 ENGLAND, ALFRED THE GREAT KING OF4, KING OF WESSEX3 ETHELWOLF, UNKNOWN SON2 ECGBERHT, UNKNOWN SON1 EALHMUND) was born in England, and died 1093 in Dunfermline, Scotland. She married THE THIRD KING OF SCOTS MALCOLM 1067 in Dunfermline, Scotland, son of THE FIRST KING OF SCOTS DUNCAN. He was born 1024 in Scotland, and died 13 November 1093 in Malcolm's Cross, Ainwick, Dunfermline, Scotland.

Child of MARGARET AETHIELING and THE MALCOLM is:
i. OF SCOTLAND EDITH12 MATILDA, b. 1079; d. 01 May 1118, Westminster, London, England; m. KING HENRY, THE FIRST, 11 November 1100; b. 1068, England; d. December 1135, Gisors, France.