Jno. Heinrich Schramm, West Camp Hudson River 1710
My Ancestor Johann Heinrich (Harig) Schram (or Schramm) and his family were in West Camp on the Hudson River, Ulster County, NY for the 1710 List of Heads of Housholds. I believe his wife was Ana Elizabeth Kiffel. Children: Liesbeth b. 1692 Frederich Wilhelm b. 12 June 1695 md.Anna Marie Kuster Johannes Henrich b. 26 Jan 1696 Catharina b. 23 May 1700 Johan Henrich b. 14 Jan 1703 Anna Catharina b. 8 March 1705 Johan Elbert b. 5 Dec. 1706 Maria Elizabeth . b 1798 Jno. Heinrich later married Anna Margaretha ? In 1717 he was living in Beckmansland, New York, Near Newberg NY. I would like to hear from anyone connected to this family. Thanks, John
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Hi John - I am cataloguing a collection of old books. One of these is a medical book dated 1528. It has the signature of Johann Henr. Schram 1703. I see that on the geni.com site his dates are given as 1667 - 1717, born in Wilnsdorf, Hessen, Germany, died in Ulster, New York. If you have any information about his life and career, I would be very interested to hear from you. Thanks, Adam
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Hi Adam, So you are suggesting Jo. Henr. Schram owned this old medical book and wrote his name in it as the owner??? I don't have any evidence of his occupation when he lived at West Camp, nor do I know when he died( so the geni.com lead will get me looking there. Anyway, where did you find this book; anywhere near the Hudson River? I would greatly appreciate getting a scan of his signiture. Here is what I know about him: I. Johann Heinrich (Harig) Schramm was born on 16 Dec 1667 at Wilnsdorf, Duchy of Siegen, Westphalia, Prussia. He was baptized on 18 Dec 1667. He married Anna Elizabeth Kiffel , daughter of Henrick Kiffel and Anna (--?--) , on 2 Jul 1691 at Wilnsdorf, Hesse, Germany. He appeared on the census of between 1710 and 1712 at, West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of Feb 1710 at West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 1 Jul 1710 at West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 4 Oct 1710 at, West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 31 Dec 1710 at, West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 24 Jun 1711 at, West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 13 Sep 1712 at, West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He appeared on the census of 27 Aug 1714 at West Camp, Hudson River, Ulster County, New York. He married Anna Margretha (--?--) after 27 Aug 1714. He Naturalized per King's Naturalization records on 9 Sep 1715. He died after 1717 at New York. He lived in 1716/17 at Beckmansland, New York.
A. Liesbeth Schramm was born before 30 Mar 1692 at Wilnsdorf, Duchy of Siegen, Westphalia, Prussia. She was baptized on 30 Mar 1692. She died on 8 May 1693. She was buried on 8 May 1693.
B. Infant Schramm was born before 1694 at Wilnsdorf, Duchy of Siegen, Westphalia, Prussia. He/she was buried on 2 Feb 1694. He/she died on 2 Feb 1693/94 at Wilnsdorf, Duchy of Siegen, Westphalia, Prussia.
C. Friedrich Wilhelm Schramm was born on 12 Jun 1695 at Wilnsdorf, Duchy of Siegen, Hesse, Germany. He was baptized on 12 Jun 1695. He Naturalized per King's Naturalization records on 9 Sep 1715 at New York. He married Anna Maria Kuster , daughter of Johann Wilhelm Kuster, on 12 Feb 1717 at West Camp, Ulster County, New York. The Kingston Trustees Records mention Frederick Schram in Book 1, Part C, pg. 144-146. "Fred. Schram was a Debtor in 1726" (Livingston Debt List) in 1726. He signed The Coxsackie Declaration of Independence 17 May 1775. Are you any relation to the Schram family. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks, John
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Re: Jno. Heinrich Schramm, West Camp Hudson River 1710
Hi John
I'm in the UK and at the moment I am cataloguing a collection of rare books belonging to a private school in London. One of the books is a copy of De Medicina by Aulus Cornelius Celsus, a Roman physician who lived in the 1st Century AD, ie. about 2000 years ago. This edition of the book was printed in Venice in 1528. There are three early inscriptions on the title-page, the latest being that of Johann Henr. Schram 1703. I don't have a photo of the inscription at the moment, but will get one for you in due course, probably in a couple of months, when I next visit the library. My interest in the Schram family - I am not a member - only extends to finding out why JHS might have owned this book. Perhaps he was a doctor himself, or a scientist, or a teacher, or perhaps his interest was in collecting books ... I would imagine that he would have bought this book while in Europe, and that therefore his departure to America could be dated between 1703, the date of his inscription, and 1710, his first appearance on the Ulster County census.
Yours Adam
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Fascinating timing of your inquiry Adam; just this week I revived my research into the Schram family of West Camp New York. What a coincidence! Johann Henrich Schram was part of the Palatine emigration of 1709. This was the result of religious persecution of Protestants in the "Palatine" regions of Germany (Prussia) resulting in the 30 Year War and continuing into the 1700's. In 1709, Britain passed a naturalization act that allowed any foreigner who took oaths professing to be a Protestant and pledging allegiance to the British government would be immediately naturalized and have all privileges held by English-born citizens for the cost of a shilling. Under Queen Anne (herself a relation to the ruler of the Palatinate and a noted Protestant sympathizer) these offers brought opportunities for a new life. Under Queen Anne's direction, land speculators who had obtained land patents in the colonies, sent agents to the Palatines with offers of forty acres of land, plus paid transportation to the colonies and maintenance. So my guess is that Johann Henrich Schram took the opportunity to move his family with other Palatine Protestants to London to gain naturalization and in need of money to go to America sold off unessential belongings, perhaps including the valuable medical book De Medicina by Aulus Cornelius Celsus, which at that time was 181 years old. I have followed JH Schram as best I can in America, but census records only indicate people, not possessions or property or occupation. It is fascinating to think Jo. Herr. Schram might have been a physician or some such that would need such a book. As the book was in Latin, he must have been an educated man! One thing that I find interesting: Jno. Henr. Schram received his naturalization in America in 1715 and not in London in 1709 as was promised, so he might have had to unexpectedly pay for his family’s way to America, causing an unexpected need for cash in London. I would dearly love to get a copy of the cover of the book or title page and his signature. By the way, this book must be quite a read as reprints are readily available in multiple languages today! Thanks for taking the time to tell me of this important link to my family! Best Regards, John
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Thanks for flagging up the Palatine Emigration which I had overlooked. It does seem most likely that JHS was involved in this. Whether he would have sold this book in Germany, London or America is an open question. There has always been a well-developed market for books, and just because the book has, for the moment, found its way to London (at what date this occurred - c.1850 ?? - I don't know) doesn't mean that JHS sold it there. For example, the collection includes another similar book that was at some time in the library of a 12th century Benedictine Abbey in Poland that was dissolved in 1819 and its library broken up ...
Yes, I think the Celsus continues to be very interesting in the very direct picture it gives of medical practices in the ancient world, many of which scarcely changed until as late as the 19th century. In this edition the Celsus, as so often, is printed together with the Liber Medicinalis by Quintus Serenus Sammonicus, who lived sometime between the 2nd and 4th centuries AD. This is a verse compendium of medical knowledge, of supernatural, folk and physician-led remedies, and is famous as containing the first written record of what is now regarded as the iconic magical phrase, Abracadabra.
As I said, I will endeavour in due course to get for you, or anyway post on the site, some images of the book and the signature of JHS.
With thanks for an interesting exchange Adam
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Re: Jno. Heinrich Schramm, West Camp Hudson River 1710
Adam, I sent you a private email with my email address. Regards, John
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Hello, does anyone know if Johann Heinrich Schram who came to the US is related to Johann Heinrich Schramm a doctor and professor of theology, born March 20, 1676, at Gerkhausen? He was the son of Johann Jakob Schramm.
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