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Re: California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957

JennyGray46 — 2013-05-14 10:24:14Z

Thanks so much for that Don, I really appreciate it. I have been trying to work out what Robert David Coley (my grandfather) was, I think he was a Merchant Marine (Australia), something I haven't really explored yet, mainly because I have no idea where to start. I will now follow up the references in column 13 to see if I can get more info. I live in Australia and have never been to the UK (unfortunately). Jenny

Re: California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957

ERhodes1135 — 2013-05-14 01:54:42Z

Jenny. It is on the way. It will not come from me but from ancestry and say that I found an interesting historical document which I am sharing with you so do not delete. If you are in England I would like to say that I spent a delightful 4 years in West Ruislip, Middlesex in the mid 1960's as a member of the USAF. Don

Re: California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957

JennyGray46 — 2013-05-13 23:17:59Z

Thanks Don, I would love a copy, my email is jg8385@gmail.com

Re: California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957

ERhodes1135 — 2013-05-13 22:56:16Z

Jenny. It appears he was a crew member, an engineer on the SS Neuw Amsterdam, sailing from Melborne and arriving in San Francisco on 6 Mar 1943. He was a male, married, 41 years of age, born in North Palmerton, New Zealand, last permanent residence was in Melbourne. If you would like a copy, I could forward it to you if I had your e-mail address. Don

California, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957

JennyGray46 — 2013-05-13 10:35:07Z

Hi, I am needing a lookup for the record below I found in the California, Passenger and Crew Lists 1882-1957 at ancestry.com, I only have a UK Heritage subscription.

Name: Robert D Coley
Birth: year - city, New Zealand
Departure: location
Arrival: date - San Francisco
Residence: location

Re: Lajter Brothers Travel to USA via Canada

lohnsteuerhamburg — 2013-05-12 19:53:58Z

Hi,

I think it is not a mystery. Nikolaj Lajter stated his brother Piotr Lajter in Chicago as destination and father Piotr L. as relative in Russia ( ship list Nov 11, 1912).
In 1942, there is a Nicholas Liter in Chicago, born 1892 in Poland, who arrived Nov 14, 1912 in Port Huron, MI (naturalisation record). But I don+t find him in any census from arrival to naturalisation.

Kind regards,

Thomas

Lajter Brothers Travel to USA via Canada

davemount123 — 2013-05-08 18:46:36Z

Aggafya born 1866 married to Peter Lajter, born 1862.
They married in 1887.
They had 3 children - Peter, Anna and another son.

Peter and his brother, who I do not know the name of, traveled to the USA around 1912. I have found a record for a Peter Lajter who traveled via Canada to the USA.

Peter returned to the Ukraine in 1920 from New York.

I have found some records of a Nikolaj Lajter travelling to USA via Canada 2 months after Peter arrived. If he is Peter's brother who stayed, I can't seem to find him on any of the US Censuses.

Does anyone know of any current information in their own family tree or anything that can be of help to locate any family? Please?!?

Thank you

Ship Rotterdam voyage from Amsterdam, France & United States

k79lawrence — 2013-05-07 13:00:31Z

Hello,
My Great Great Grandfather Frank Lawrence Owsianny went back to his native Poland for a visit in 1891. On his return trip to the United States, his port of departure was Amsterdam, Netherlands and Boulogne Sur Mer, France. He sailed on the ship "Rotterdam", and arrived back in the United States in New York on March 23, 1891.
I was wondering if there were any news articles from any New York papers which might have stories about that voyage of the Rotterdam and its arrival in New York City on March 23, 1891. I would be particularly interested in finding out the date of departure for that particular voyage.

Special Note: On a document that I have from Ancestry.com he is listed on the Passenger list for that voyage on the "Rotterdam" as Lorenz Owsianny.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thank you,

Keith Lawrence

k79lawrence@gmail.com

Re: Help reading ship manifest

rogatadusza — 2013-05-07 02:17:15Z

Francisek Porembski, Anatazia, Aniela, Jan i Anna

The age is probably written what they have told them. They did not have any documents.
It says left U S and last residence from New York
the town is Piwonczuk crossed out for Piwnik
money $200
Final destination Bessemer in Michigan
have been in the States 1911/9 ( year 1911 for 9 years)

Re: baffled: case files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service

irishgen2009 — 2013-04-30 21:24:27Z

The link does not work for people who do not subscribe to ancestry. Post a copy of the document image and then perhaps an explanation can be provided.

Re: baffled: case files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service

sburzine — 2013-04-30 17:34:22Z

My ancestor is the top name listed on this record: http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=...

I get that his name used to be Blucke, but what does (cng. Donahey) mean? I haven't been able to find anything explaining all of the field entries. Thanks!

Re: How do I search records from Avellino/Quindici, Italy

medea111983 — 2013-04-27 10:19:32Z

http://www.agenziailfilorosso.altervista.org/

Help reading ship manifest

cherrytreesANDpasties — 2013-04-23 18:39:38Z

Several items are not clear to me on the manifest, so I'm hoping to get help reading it.

Franciszek Porembski, Anastazia, ?Aniela?, Jan and Anna

Unclear on the following:

* Does that say Aniela? (They do call her Ann in another record)

*Anna's age. 11/12..does this mean she's 11 months? 10 days later I have the family in Bessemer, MI, on a 1910 census and Anna is listed as age 3.

*Jan's age is 9 on the manifest, but 12 on the census 10 days later. Why?

*Last Perm. res. Austria (which is really Poland in this case) City or town. ? First town is crossed out, which actually I believe is Piwniczna. But town written above/in place of I can't read.

*Is that $200 or 900?

*Been in the States before, if so, when? Does that say 1904/9? Does that mean Frank was here in 1904 UNTIL 1909, or AGAIN in 1909?

*Joining relative or friend, if so who/where? It looks like brother in law in Bessemer, MI..but the name is unclear. However, it seems his sister married a Michael Relich, so is it possible that says Maska Relitz?

*Place of birth. There's that town again, and another cross out of what I believe is Piwniczna. But what's it replaced with?

Re: baffled: case files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service

falsterden — 2013-04-13 15:15:09Z

Very interesting.

I believe LPC means "Liable to become a public charge."

Wikipedia entry on this subject here,
LINK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liable_to_become_a_Public_Charg...)

Re: immigration from New York arrival to Texas

falsterden — 2013-04-13 14:26:10Z

In another of your threads, you added more details about the Dietrich family:
"Looking for the Christopher Dietrich family who immigrated from East Prussia in 1887 to Texas, USA. The Hamburg passenger list has Carlsrode as their last place of residence. Would love any information on Christopher (born 1851) or his wife Wilhelmina nee ?? (born 1852)."

Re: Immigration & Naturalization papers - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-04-07 11:16:37Z

Thank you for sending the documents. I was happy to see there was an enlarging function & could finally see Michael's destinaltion was New Bedford Mass. to his cousin's home.

Thank you,
Donna

Re: Immigration & Naturalization papers - Need help please

ERhodes1135 — 2013-04-07 01:17:14Z

Donna. They are on the way. They will come from ancestry and say that I have found a historical document and am sharing with you, so do not delete. One will contain both the declaration and petition and the other will contain the oath. On the oath, disregard the left side of the page as it pertains to someone else Don

Re: Immigration & Naturalization papers - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-04-06 15:32:41Z

Thank you for your reply. Yes, I would love to have all 3 records!

rjohnson83@stny.rr.com

Thank you,
Donna

Re: Immigration & Naturalization papers - Need help please

ERhodes1135 — 2013-04-06 14:02:25Z

Donna. I don't know where you found the declaration but the one I found has all three records together. If you would like, I could forward them to you, would require your e-mail address. Don

Immigration & Naturalization papers - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-04-06 12:21:42Z

I am wondering about the papers for immigration. I have found there are 3 types:
Declaration of Intention
Petition for Naturalization
Oath of Allegiance

I have found the Petition for Naturalization for Michael Tudor born Aug. 27, 1870 Austria. Petition # 7301-7585 on Dec. (8th or 13th), 1909. I have a copy of that.

I now have found that there are 2 other papers for him:

Declaration of Intention- !909/12/13
Oath of Allegiance- 1912/12/24

Will these give me any further information on him then what is found on his Naturalization papers?
When did they start adding photographs to the Naturalization papers?

Thank you for any information you can provide.

Donna

Need help with search please

Pooziej — 2013-04-04 14:12:42Z

I am having trouble finding the immigration record of Julia Madurski. She came from Galicia in 1908 according to the New York census records.
She later married (1913) Anthony Gnadzinski also from Galicia who came in 1909. I have her information after 1913 but not before. I would like to find her Ellis Island record if possible and also Anthony's. It is difficult to find polish names.

Thank you,
Donna

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-04-04 13:34:29Z

Robert,
yes, father born in Stockholm.
That's the trouble. I only have census for 1910 in Lakewood, New Jersey.
Nothing else. this says immigrated 1898 to 1900.

of course my experience is dates on census could be given by someone else that answers the door and dates cannot be trusted.
Was really hopeful about that manifest but sister not with her.
You can see I have little to go on? just wish there were more records of departures. :(

You seem knowledgable about searching, do you know anybody that can search reasonably Iin Berlin Germany? I am trying to find the time they lived there.

Dale

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-04-04 13:31:27Z

Robert,
That's the trouble. I only have census for 1910 in Lakewood, New Jersey.
Nothing else. this says immigrated 1898 to 1900.

of course my experience is dates on census could be given by someone else that answers the door and dates cannot be trusted.
Was really hopeful about that manifest but sister not with her.
You can see I have little to go on? just wish there were more records of departures. :(

Dale

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

RobertJerin — 2013-04-04 13:05:16Z

Dale

The name appears to be from Scandanavia. Family stories can not always be trusted. Have you found either one in any US documents? If so under what name? Which docs? Where did they live in the US? When I stated her Nationality was France that was her citizenship not her ethnicity which was not listed

Robert

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-04-04 12:52:30Z

Robert,
Thanks for you search and help. I am aware of that manifest. The trouble is she does not have her little sister with her, Josephine. And the story is all the family was dead and gone in Paris so she took Her little sister with her to USA. so that is either another trip or the wrong Natalie,. it also confuses me that if they lived in Paris why are they travelling from up there?
Were children not listed on manifests?
I guess records in France are not obtainable.

Dale

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

RobertJerin — 2013-04-03 02:37:13Z

Dale

True if immigrant aliens had enough money they were allowed to leave at the NY dock and did not need to be ferried to Ellis Island

Ship manifests were created listing ALL passengers at the port of depature, including those 1st and 2nd class... so I have no idea what you mean when you say that you were told "was told at Ellis Island when I went there that lst and 2nd class passengers lists were no more"

I find this person arriving during your stated date range, traveling alone nationality France, destination in the US not listed. She is in the Cabin Class. She had left from the Port of Christiana, which I believe is in Denmark

Name: Nathalie Gronlund
Arrival Date: 2 Jan 1895
Birth Date: abt 1872
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Island

Robert

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-04-03 00:30:13Z

Their names are Natalie Marie Gronlund and Josephine Gronlund
came first class between 1896 and 1900. From Paris. That is all I have.
I was told at Ellis Island when I went there that lst and 2nd class passengers lists were no more. Also that one young woman of 20 years and her little sister of 10 t0 12 years would not be allowed in without a man or someone to sign for them. Natalie had been offered a teaching job in New Jersey. So perhaps they were picked up that way.
lst and 2nd class passengers never went to ellis island but were allowed to leave the boat and go their way.
Is there anyway to check more than I have. Sorry if post seemed vague. If you have any ideas for me to keep searching I would be soooo happy.
Thanks for responding.
Dale

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-04-03 00:29:43Z

Re: immigration of Wendel Spivak (b 1845) from Bohemia

digitaltree — 2013-04-01 03:53:06Z

Hello Jean,

Thank you for looking into Wendelin Spivak.

I used the Třeboň Archive message board in the Country of Czech Republic in Czech Language and got a response from someone in Southern Bohemia. They knew who Wendelin and Albert were and exact record in the Třeboň Archive Southern Bohemia.

Wendelin did emigrate to United States in 1866.
His father's name Albert or Adalbert is Vojtěch (Adalbert in English) Spiewak.

Also Google's Czech to English language translator converts the name spelled Vojtěch to the name Adalbert.

Here is the location of Wendelin and Albert's bith record.

Wendelin Spivak
birth October 17, 1844 in Lomnicě, Bohemia, Czechoslovakia.
Roman Catholic Book 5 [register B] 1822-1872 image 127 Capital of parish Lomnice nad Lužnicí
Web Address http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/DA?lang=en&menu=3&id=533...
then in bottom-left corner of window; use image dropdown box to select image 127

Adalbert Spivak (Czech name Vojtěch)
birth March 27, 1797 in Lomnicě, Bohemia, Czechoslovakia
Roman Catholic Book 4 [register B] 1779-1833 image 52 Capitol of parish Lomnice nad Lužnicí
Web Address http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/DA?lang=en&menu=3&id=533...
then in bottom-left corner of window; use image dropdown box to select image 52

Albert's wife is Kateřina Filípka (b) May-28-1811 in Kolenec, Bohemia.
Kateřina Filípka is the daughter of
..... Adalbert (Vojtěch) Filípka (b) Apr-16-1780 in Kolenec, Kingdom of Bohemia
..... Anna Křížek (b) May-16-1781 in Kolenec, Kingdom of Bohemia

Research is going well in Třeboň Archive Southern Bohemia.
// digitaltree

Re: immigration of Wendel Spivak (b 1845) from Bohemia

jlmurray591 — 2013-03-31 04:46:10Z

Hello, I looked for your Wendel and didn't find him yet.
I do believe I have found him in the 1870 census living in St. Paul, Ramsey, MN, Ward 5, Image 13 on ancestry. The name is Vanderline Spencer, age 25, shoemaker, born Bohemia and Kate Spencer, age 60, born Bohemia. Vanderline Spencer is not a Czech name. There are no other persons with that name on any other census. Looking very closely at the image, you can see how Vendelin Spevcek can be seen. The Kate I believe is his mother Katerina.
Finding her on the immigration may be easier than finding him or brother Caspar.
The only source, off line for the Czech immigration is the Leo Baca books. I have searched them and do not yet find your family. The Czech names can be very confusing reading and transcribing upon immigration.
I find in one newspaper that Wendel used the name Jerome, as the article tells of Mr. and Mrs. Jerome Spivak and daughters Anna and Clara, attend a birthday party.
Could he have used Jerome when immigrating?

Jean

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-03-28 11:12:57Z

Robert,

Thank you. Do you know the name of the town where he was born?

Donna

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

RobertJerin — 2013-03-28 10:23:50Z

Donna

Naturalization Papers of this era did not have photos. Yes there is a birthplace.

Robert

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-03-28 09:55:47Z

I have the typed information from his papers.
Do you know if his papers have his place of birth & a photo? If so, I will have to order a copy of his papers.

Donna

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

RobertJerin — 2013-03-28 01:37:46Z

There is also naturalization papers found for Michal

Robert

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-03-28 01:29:32Z

Thank you for this information. I have been able to find a bit more since my posting.
Thank you for the attached copy of the marriage record. I will print this out.

Donna

Re: 1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

RobertJerin — 2013-03-28 01:28:55Z

Your post is very vague and confusing???

What are the names of the 2 sisters?

Robert

Re: Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

RobertJerin — 2013-03-28 01:22:45Z

Donna

This may be your Michael TUDOR

Name: Michal Tudor
Arrival Date: 22 Dec 1900
Birth Date: abt 1870
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Galicy, Poland
Port of Departure: Bremen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: H H Meier

Warsaw was not located in Galicia. Is she came from Waraw then she would have come from that part of Poland that was occupied by Russia.

http://www.feefhs.org/maplibrary/austro-hungary/ah-galic.htm...

As you will see on the attached copy of their Marriage License they married in 1903 not 1902 She gave her birthdate as 1881

immigration of Wendel Spivak (b 1845) from Bohemia

digitaltree — 2013-03-27 03:58:15Z

The search result on Wendel has no Passenger List.
The naturalization Wendelin Spivak doesn't have much.

Here is background:
......... Father: Albert Spivak (b abt 1820 in Bohemia)
.... Father: Wendel Spivak (b 1844 or 45 in Bohemia)
Jerome Spivak (b 1881 in Minnesota, USA)
.... Mother: Maria Ceplecha (b Sep-12-1853 in Lomnicě, Bohemia)

Maria Ceplicha emigrated as girl with parents in 1860.
Wendel Spivak and Maria Ceplica married in Minnesota, USA.

Is there a place in the Czech Republic that listed the emigrant leaving Bohemia 1850 to 1880.

Thank you on info; // digitaltree

Re: Queen Mary - SZULE - 1949

rv4life — 2013-03-26 11:32:45Z

Thank you so much!! Is there a link to this record? Thanks again!

Immigration from Galicia in 1898 - Need help please

Pooziej — 2013-03-26 11:22:41Z

I am looking for information on Michael Tudor born (about) 1870 who immigrated from Galicia in 1898. I have his information after 1910 in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. I do know that he had a sister Julia. I have no other information on her.

Also I am looking for information on his wife Mary Forystek born (about) 1883 (married in America-1902). She was also from Galicia. She came in 1891. She may have been from Warsaw.

Thank you,
Donna

Re: Queen Mary - SZULE - 1949

ELLinSpain — 2013-03-26 07:13:15Z

Ship: QUEEN MARY
Official Number: 164282
Master's name: H Geattidge
Steamship Line: Cunard White Star Limited
Where bound: New York, USA
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 34120.35
Passengers on voyage: 1115

Istoan SZULE

Judit SZULE

Kalman SZULE

Kata? SZULE

Miklos SZULE

*********
Name: Kataleen SZULE
Date of departure: 8 March 1949
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA
Date of Birth: 1945 (calculated from age)
Age: 4
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Child

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46
+
Name: Istoan SZULE

Date of departure: 8 March 1949

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: New York, USA

Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1948 (calculated from age)

Age: 1

Marital status:

Sex: Female

Occupation: Child

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46

+

Name: Judit SZULE

Date of departure: 8 March 1949

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: New York, USA

Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1943 (calculated from age)

Age: 6

Marital status:

Sex: Female

Occupation: Child

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46

+
Name: Kalman SZULE

Date of departure: 8 March 1949

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: New York, USA

Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1947 (calculated from age)

Age: 2

Marital status:

Sex: Female

Occupation: Child

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46

+
Name: Kataaelen SZULE

Date of departure: 8 March 1949

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: New York, USA

Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1912 (calculated from age)

Age: 37

Marital status: Married

Sex: Female

Occupation: Hwife

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46

+
Name: Miklos SZULE

Date of departure: 8 March 1949

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: New York, USA

Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1901 (calculated from age)

Age: 48

Marital status: Married

Sex: Male

Occupation: Minister

Passenger recorded on: Page 16 of 46

all showing "in transit from Hungary"

ITS very possible they changed the name themselves so as to "integrate" better

1st and 2nd class passenger lists to nyc

lightalma7 — 2013-03-26 00:09:18Z

seems that passenger lists for above classes are lost for years 1896 to 1900. At least that is what I have read online.
Then on Olive Tree it says that those years are not all indexed. Well now that that perked me up again. Anybody have any good info. on this subject.
Also I have some information about cholera on boat but my years are 1896 to 1900 and a story of how these sisters very young went to an Island and were housed for 2 days and treated very well while ship fumigated and then they returned to ship. anything? thanks so much.

immigration from New York arrival to Texas

tpw1986 — 2013-03-24 14:19:37Z

Does anyone know common transit from New York to Texas. I have to assume that ship would be cheapest/most practical, but wasn't sure. I have Dietrich family members from East Prussia that traveled to New York by boat but are bound for Texas and I can find no record of their travel there. Another set of family members (Stehle) transshipped to Galveston, but I can find no record of Dietrichs doing the same. Other ports might have been New Orleans I think but no record there either. This was in Dec of 1887 - are there record gaps?
Would love any input...Thanks!!

Re: Help with passenger list and Brunott family from Netherlands

sunnyland21 — 2013-03-23 01:55:03Z

Hi Pam, Ferdinand and Dorothea had 7 children that I can find. Willem was the eldest and Albert was the fifth child, there was also another who was a sailor and went to US and Canada a few times, he was the fourth son Simon. I also have a cousin who went to Canada. His name is Reinier Brunott, he and his son Jake, had a lot to do with making skates etc. The last info I had was that he lived in Thornhill, Canada.
No doubt as time goes on, I will find more of them living overseas. Nice to hear from you again Cheers Christa

Re: Help with passenger list and Brunott family from Netherlands

pamhool219 — 2013-03-22 11:23:24Z

Hello Again Christa, The only reason Albertus and brother William came to the U.S./ Canada was to have a better way of life (better income) I know of no other reason. It was fortunate for them since they missed the second world war and all of it's agony. My grandmother sent some things after the war to Albert's family and got some letters back but then communication seems to have stopped. My grandmother and mother would have loved to know about all the relatives around the world and how they got there. This is very interesting. Thanks again for your interest. Pam

Record of Aliens Held for Special Detention

cmatyckas — 2013-03-20 04:24:02Z

Here's my detainee:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Giovanni B Maffei
Name: Giovanni B Maffei
Arrival Date: 13 Feb 1909
Birth Date: abt 1842
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Port of Arrival: New York, New York

Passenger list is attached.

Thank you!

Caren

Re: Record of Aliens Held for Special Detention

BobNY — 2013-03-20 04:00:51Z

Aliens were either Detained or held for Special Inquiry. There was no such process as "Special Detention."

The LPC stands for Likely to Become a Public Charge. The 11.50 can only be interpreted in the context of the manifest sheet. Who is the alien and what are the details of the arrival?

Other codes can be found here:
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/Manifests/

Record of Aliens Held for Special Detention

cmatyckas — 2013-03-19 20:11:43Z

Cause for detention: LPC - 11.50. Can any one tell me what these codes mean? Is there any where to interprete the other codes?

Thank you.

Caren

Re: Relations

SFarmer9302 — 2013-03-19 17:45:48Z

I am assuming that they were from Poland? Is this correct? If you are concerned about data, I have sent a message with what I find to your Ancestry inbox.

Re: Relations

dremyr58 — 2013-03-19 16:55:48Z

The Shaltupsky/Schaltupski in Missouri, that you found, is my family. Morris, wife Sarah, children, and grandchildren are known to me. I'm one of the great grandchildren of Morris and Sarah.

I will correlate some of the basic data and add the first and last names and the dates that I show for immigration and approximate birthdate, if found, for the adults with the surname that were listed in the ship's passage records. They were all from the Grodno area.

Would posting some of that help?

Thanks again for your direction. I greatly appreciate it.