Death at Sea - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

DeniseKing55 — 2013-02-22 18:57:07Z

Thank you for the info and the photos, you have been so helpfull.

Yes, Lilian/Lillian has given me quite a headache putting her life together. After Walter died she had multiple husbands and children. My Nan was only a few months old when Walter died, so luckily I dont have to go too far into her other marriages/children. We didnt have any details at all of my late Nan's real dad when we started, so I'm very pleased with finding what we have about Walter.

As for William, we have quite a lot of his documents to go on luckily, so its only his military things I'm not clear on.

Thanks again for being so helpfull :-)

Re: William BAKER died at sea 1860 on board the "Aliquis"

malcolm1585 — 2013-02-20 21:31:37Z

This was taken from the Find My Past web site under "Deaths at sea"

Title:Private
Name: BAKER, William
Sex: Male
Date of death: 17 June 1860
Cause of death: Dysentery Ac
Age: 40
Occupation:
Place of birth:
Ship's name: Aliquis
Notes:

Kathy

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

infosending1 — 2013-02-18 19:04:47Z

Lilian didn't make that particularly easy either, on her birth and wedding registrations her forename is spelled Lilian, but on the original 1911 census doc and transcript it's spelled as Lillian.

She's not listed with her full forenames either, she's listed as Smith Lillian.

Presumanly you saw the original document which says that she was a lodger, born in Dorchester in Devon in 1887, had been married for 2 years, and had one child who had died.

Poor woman, she gets married and within a few years she has lost both her child and her husband.

I'm glad that you think that census and BMD registration research is always so easy, sometimes it is, but not always.

For example, I can't see a birth registration for William King in Radnorshire, although a childs birth didn't have to be registered in the area of it's birth, and there are other possible registrations listed.

Do you know his exact place of birth or his parentage or their or his occupations. ?

Anyway, re his military hstory, you are talking Second Boer War.

11th October 1899 to 31st May 1902,...2 years and 8 months.

The Imperial Yeomanry was a British volunteer cavalry regiment that mainly saw action during the Second Boer War, created on 24th December 1899.

Earlier yeomanry regiments had existed, but the Boer War Yeomanry regiments were titled Imperial Yeomanry.

The Montgomeryshire Yeomanry had originally been formed in 1813.

However between 1900 and 1901, 4 companies of the Montgomeryshire Yeomanry, or rather, the Montgomeryshire Imperial Yeomanry, were raised to serve with, and as additions to, the Imperial Yeomanry.

Other county regiments also raised Yeomanry units to serve in the Second Boer War.

The Montgomeryshire Imperial Yeomanry raised 4 Companies, which served as part of the 9th Battalion Imperial Yeomanry.

31st (Montgomeryshire) Company, raised 1900.

49th (Montgomeryshire) Company, raised 1900.

88th (Welsh Yeomanry) Company, raised 1901,
sponsored by the Montgomeryshire Yeomanry Cavalry

89th (Montgomeryshire) Company, raised 1901

The amount of Imperial Yeomanry records which still survive in the National Archives is limited, and you can read up on that aspect at...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/a...

However, William would certainly have had the Queens South Africa Medal and there are lists of those awards which were made to members of the above units, and I've checked them, and he isn't listed.

He would also have had the Kings South Africa Medal, but i haven't as yet seen any lists of that award.

His medals would have been inscribed with the name of his unit, and his service number.

However, I'm not totally convinced, all this changing of historical Welsh county names and boundaries is a potential cause of confusion, and other adjacent counties also raised local Imperial Yeomanry units during that period.

I've got a bunch of links and sources for you which I will sort out and post later, and you can study the information yourself at first hand.

The picture below was indeed described as being members of the Newbridge Imperial Yeomanry, but I suspect that was an unofficial name and wasn't the formal designation of the unit.

Which of the 4 units of the Montgomeryshire Imperial Yeomanry, ( or other Welsh Imperial Yeomanry units ), might have been the Newbridge Yeomanry, I know not.

The attached pictures are the Montgomeryshire Imperial Yeomanry unit badge, a group of The Newbridge Imperial Yeomanry, and King Edward and Queen Alexandra and the Guard Of Honour at the opening of the Elan valley Reservoir, perhaps you've already seen this.

Left click the attachments to enlarge them and then right click them to download and save them.

Re: William BAKER died at sea 1860 on board the "Aliquis"

mi2early — 2013-02-18 16:56:11Z

Try the National Archives. See

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=...

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

DeniseKing55 — 2013-02-17 16:06:58Z

Thank you so much "again" for all the suggestions listed in your reply, this will help me a lot with my family tree.

I'm sorry to hear that somebody has been rude to you. Some people feel the need to be abusive to others in order to feel better about themselves. Its very sad, but its probably brightened someones day in their boring, mundane life by having a pop at you.....aww, bless them.

Anyway, back to Walter. Sorry I didn't explain properly. His wife Lilian Mary Watkins/Smith of 97 Duckpool Road, Newport was on the 1911 census, and stated "husband at sea".
Yes, I have a copy of their Marriage Certificate.

I think I'll take your advice and start a new thread on the military enquiry. My Dad's Grandad was William "Bill" King born 19 Feb 1874 in Radnorshire. I have pretty much all the easy info, eg birth, marriage, death and census etc.
In his obituary it stated that he was a volunteer in the Boer War and too old to serve in the 1914-18 war. He was a member of the Militia which formed the Guard of Honour for King Edward VII, when he opened the Elan Valley Reservoirs on 21st July 1904, and was the last surviving member of that Guard of Honour. That's the only information we have other than a photo of William and other soldiers in the Newbridge Div - K Co. Montgomeryshire Yeomanry taken in 1903. As I said before, my Dad remembers that "Bill" had lots of medals (he was left these in his will, but an "Evil" Auntie took them) :-(.

I don't think I've got a lot to go on with "Bill", but as you know I'm not too experienced with looking outside of Ancestry. I will start a new thread though, and see if anything comes from that.

Thanks once again for your brilliant advice, and for taking the time out to reply to my posts.

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

infosending1 — 2013-02-17 04:47:13Z

Check that you have the correct email address listed.

Also try ticking the add thread to favourites star.

Perhaps it's a browser problem, try a different browser perhaps.

Those member profile settings on ancestry are pretty convoluted and they aren't exactly what you might call intuitive to use nor to navigate, you need to play around with them to get familiar with the various settings.

I'm glad somebody on here can accept a bit of constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended, without going into defence mode.

I've just been obscenely abused on another thread for daring to state that it's not a good idea to write in large blocks of solid unbroken text without any line or paragraph breaks.

Because it's really difficult to read and if bits of information are included it also makes it hard to properly note and comprehend the information.

Just write a piece of text and then press the enter key.

That won't post the message, it will just create a line of clear space.

Messages that are easy to read and grasp are more likely to get read and responded to, and the opposite is also true.

Ironically enough my obscene abuser wasn't even the person that I was speaking to, anyway he wasn't very articulate and apparently can't make an argument or a criticism, either valid or invalid, without using rather elaborate vulgarity.

What other sage wisdom did I impart to you ?, oh yes, when you mention censuses quote the relevant details.

Arrghh, you're doing it again !, what is this about a wife on the 1911 census and him being listed as at sea. ?

What's the wife's name and address on that. ?

You're way ahead of me on that, I sure can't find him on the 1911 census.

Did you find his marriage record as well. ?

You're not being a pain and you don't sound thick, this sort of thing isn't always easy, and there is a learning curve, one learns and picks things up as one goes, and such enquiries are what these forums are for.

Perhaps best to start a new thread for that military enquiry.

I know not what these pics are of which you speak.

It's a pretty complex topic but mlitary records do exist although they aren't always complete.

For example, a lot of WW1 service records were destroyed in London in the WW2 Blitz.

Basically it's divided up roughly into pre WW1, then WW1 and post WW1.

The WW1 and pre WW1 records are held at the National Archives in Kew in London.

Some records are searchable and available online there, things such as recommendations for gallantry awards, and WW1 era naval service records, I found my grandfather's WW1 Royal Naval record online there for example.

Mostly though it has to be viewed in person for free, or some records are available to view or order online for a small fee of a few pounds.

Ironically, the WW1 records listed there, such as medal cards and service records have also been licenced to ancestry and can be viewed on here if one is a paid member.

Have a look at Kew and prepare to be baffled.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

Post WW1 service records may be available from the Ministry of Defence.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ministry-of-defe...

You also need to bear in mind that at least as far as army service numbers are concerned, they weren't unique to an individual until after WW1.

So several men in different regiments could have the same WW1 service number because they were issued on a regimental basis.

Also a WW1 soldier could serve in more than one regiment and might have more than one service number, for example if he was wounded and subsequently assigned to a different regiment.

There are also records held in regimental Museums.

It's a big help to know a person's regiment and anyone who served in wartime would certainly have several campaign medals.

Basically what you need to do is to list everything that you know about the person, place and year of birth, any service details, and see what you or others can come up with.

Here is some medal info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_awards_and_decorations...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_campaign_medals

If it is the WW1 era that you're relative served in, then the following site is an excellent source of information on many aspects of WW1 and WW1 military service.

http://www.1914-1918.net/

BTW - if your father or any other of your living relatives ever served in the forces, they are entitled to apply for, and to wear on civilian dress, the UK Armed Forces Veterans Lapel Badge.

http://www.veterans-uk.info/new_badge/badge.html

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

DeniseKing55 — 2013-02-16 21:16:51Z

Thank you again, so much for your help and advice on this infosending1.
I do have the box ticked to send me an alert if I get a reply, but it isn't working so I'll check that out.
I think I've got all the info on Walter now that you kindly helped me out with the death details, and I'm slowly getting there working on his ancestors now. I was confused as I couldn't find a death cert on ancestry for him. I only knew he was "at sea" as his wife stated it on the 1911 census. I had no idea where to start looking for info on his death.
I really dont want to be a pain in the bum as you have been very kind and more than helpfull already, but could you maybe point me in the right direction with looking for peoples military service/records. My Dad keeps on to me to trace his Grandfathers records but I dont have a clue where to start. I have photos on ancestry of him and his regiment, and my Dad remembers that he had several medals, but we have no idea what for etc. I know this is all really vague, but it's all we have to go on.
I'm sorry if I'm being a pain (I'm honestly not as thick as I must sound), and thank you once again for the help you have already given me, it is much appreciated :-)

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

infosending1 — 2013-02-16 02:11:09Z

Thankyou Denise, glad that helped a bit.

Sorry if I sounded a bit grumpy, but I was, sometimes some of the things people say just presses my button.

Anyway, it isn't always easy, but just stay positive, and keep plugging away, think laterally, and try different approaches and it's surprising what you can sometimes find and learn as you go.

Don't know why you didn't get a message reply notification, that's something else that often hacks me off, people who post enquiries and then don't seem to check back for months, very puzzling.

The send me an alert box at the bottom of the message reply window is usually ticked by default and so you should automatically be sent an email message when a reply is posted to one of your messages, check your forum settings, perhaps something is set to the wrong setting. ?

BTW - when you quote census info, include the relevant details, names, addresses, dates, etcetera, finding people on censuses isn't always straightforward or easy, so don't force people to re-invent the wheel, and in general, if you know something already, then say so, and save duplicated efforts.

Speaking of censuses, the dates/ages are often estimates and can be out by several years, so treat them as approximations, also, names are often truncated/abbreviated, and nick names get listed, so stay flexible with census research.

This will be his birth registration, there are no other candidates in that area/time frame.

Civil registration event: Birth
Name: SMITH, Walter Charles
Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
County: Monmouthshire
Year of registration: 1883
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 on birth registration summaries
but will be listed on the LONG VERSION birth certificate.
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 182

http://www.newport.gov.uk/_dc/index.cfm?fuseaction=registrar...

Since his death was accidental, I'm wondering if perhaps there was a Coroners Inquest, if so, either the local Coroner's Office, or the Northumberland Archives Service might be able to tell you where to find the records of the inquest.

http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=597

http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=1665

Quite an interesting family, professional people, his father and his uncle were opticians.

1891 census 5th April 1891, plenty of leads there.

Registration District: Newport
Civil Parish: St Woollos
Municipal Borough: Newport
Address: 21, Ruperra Street, St Woollos, Newport
County: Monmouthshire

SMITH, Geo Head Married 34 b 1857 Optician

SMITH, Mary Jane Wife Married 34 b 1857

SMITH, Lillie Maud Daughter 12 b 1879 Scholar

SMITH, George Son 10 b 1881 Scholar

SMITH, Walter Chas Son 7 b 1884 Scholar

SMITH, Robert Edwin Son 2 b 1889

SMITH, Samuel Peter Son M 4 1887

SMITH, Richard Ivor Son M 1 1890

SMITH, Wm Henry Brother Single 18 b 1873
Optician Apprentice

Everybody is born in Newport, Monmouthshire, except for the wife/mother, who was born in Abergavenny.

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

DeniseKing55 — 2013-02-15 20:11:05Z

Thank you so much "infosending1" for this information, thats brilliant!

It's not that I give up easily, or that its a chore, Im just not as experienced as I'd like to be with this. I really dont know where to start looking for things if I cant find it on ancestry.co.uk so any pointers in the right direction would be great :-)

Thank you again for taking the time to help me with Walter, it is a massive help! You are a star!!

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

infosending1 — 2013-02-05 15:25:28Z

Really stuck and ready to give up !, what a load of guff, give up pretty easily, don't you. ?!

Why bother if it's such a chore. ?

Walter C Smith died on 7th August 1912 on board the ship Nador, offcial ships regisistration number 98537.

He was a 29 year old steward, address 10 Liverpool Street, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales, who was also born in Newport, Monmouthshire.

He died whilst the ship was tied up at the quayside at the New Jetty, in Blyth, Northumberland.

He fell from the gangway onto the jetty and then into the water.

Registration event: death
Name:SMITH, Walter C
Date of death:7 August 1912
Age:29
Place of death:New Jetty Blyth
Place of birth: Newport, Monmouthshire
Belonging to service:Crew
Ship's name:Nador
Series:
BT334 - Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea
Box:0056
Page:

Return of Deaths at Sea, reported to the Registrar General of Shippind and Seamen under the provisions of the Merchant Shopping Act 1894 during the month of August 1912.

*******************
Registration event: Death
Name: SMITH, Walter C
Vessel : Nador
Country: At sea
Year: 1912
Page: 155
Age at death: 29
Record source: GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

ngawaro21 — 2013-01-23 03:15:08Z

I had the same problem, but you my like to go to "Find my Past" I hunted for my great grandfather for many years and found that he died in Argentina, he took sick on one of his voyages, he sailed out of Swansea Wales.

Re: How can I find if somebody died at sea?

mi2early — 2013-01-20 17:09:37Z

This site might help:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

How can I find if somebody died at sea?

DeniseKing55 — 2013-01-20 17:08:43Z

Walter Charles Smith died between April 1911 and mid 1912. On the 1911 census he was "at sea". I've no idea where he sailed to or from, or what ship etc. He lived in Newport, Gwent, South Wales. He was listed as a Merchant Clerk on the 1901 Census so this is all I know. I cannot find any death certificate for him. If he died at sea, would there be any sort of record or death certificate I could find here? Also, how do I find what he did at sea? Would there any record of when/where he joined up??
I would really appreciate any help on this as im really stuck and ready to give up :-(
Thank you in advance for any replies.

Re: Suicide on ship 1931

kcjc2_1 — 2013-01-15 12:58:35Z

I havn't had a ship suicide in my tree, but I have had a murder, accidental drowning on board ship,& a possible suicide (unproved), for all of which I gained information from the Local & National Newspapers. I guess you may already have tried them. Suicide not being that common it may have been quoted in 'The Times' along with their other info re shipping, his local paper, or those of the ships Port of Registry. It might be worth an e-mail. Good luck.

death of David SHANKS on the "Agnes of Glasgow" 1858

gordonshank — 2013-01-06 20:07:50Z

Does anyone have any information on a Captain David Shanks from Saltcoats (1810) who died on the ship "Agnes of Glasgow" - Oct. 15, 1858.

Re: Death at sea/ in Quarantine New South Wales

StevenCrowley123 — 2012-12-21 04:03:54Z

My mother's grandfather James Carruthers also died of cholera on this same ship and I have not been able to locate a death record.

Does anyone know how to locate death records for those whom died at sea while immigrating to Australia?

Steve Crowley

William BAKER died at sea 1860 on board the "Aliquis"

BillBaker101 — 2012-12-17 21:09:20Z

I'm looking for informatoin concerning William Baker who died at sea on 17 June 1860 on board the vessel Aliquis while sailing from New York to England.

Is there a database in England that might contain information concerning deaths at sea?

Re: Suicide on ship 1931

gibbandy — 2012-12-15 11:18:50Z

Thanks for that...I will take a look

Andy

Re: Suicide on ship 1931

halpark — 2012-12-10 23:22:41Z

There was a "Media" built in 1911 for the Anchor Line, transferred to Brocklebank in 1912, sold to Heston Shipping Shipping in 1935. Suggest you google Brocklebank and find their records, if they exist. I would have thought there would be something about it, it would have to have been in the ship's log and I think the Registrar of Shipping would have been involved.

Suicide on ship 1931

gibbandy — 2012-12-10 14:00:48Z

My great grand mother was Jane Carter Younger and was one of 11 children.I am in the process of writing the story of my family, as each of the 11 siblings had a pretty amazing life.

Her older brother, Neil, had a son called Alexander Binnie Younger, born Linlithgow 28th June 1891 who was a merchant seaman.

I have copies of his record cards etc.

According to the register of deceased seamen record while serving on the Media he died on 29th December 1931 and the death description is" shock and haemorrhage following lacerations of the brain due to bullet wound self inflicted"

I have an incoming passenger list record ( for Malakuta) of him arriving in London from India on 6th March 1931, so I am assuming this one was the last journey he completed, and killed himself on the next one.

Does anyone know where I can get any information of the incident, would there have been an inquiry, would there be a passenger list showing they had his body, could I find it happened on the outbound journey or the return etc etc etc?

I have been tracing family trees for more than ten years but never experienced this kind of thing ( it just had to be on my own family!!!) so would value any advice you could give me.

Thanks

Andy
Fort William
Scotland

Death at sea/ in Quarantine New South Wales

adamthomasclarke — 2012-12-04 04:38:30Z

Thomas Richards, arrived om the James T Foord from Plymouth England 7/11/1849 arriving in Port Philip Bay New South Wales Australia, Thomas died as the ship went into quarantine.
His wife Dorothy came ashore with 3 children, and lived her life in Victoria Australia, Despite extensive searching, no evidence, of death certificate or burial has been found.
Ships log states he died in quarantine,but also states 'So therefore we cannot say he arrived alive, and we cannot say he arrived dead.'I would appreciate any further information as to where to search on this.

Re: Thomas RICHARDS death at sea/ in Quarantine New South Wales

adamthomasclarke — 2012-12-03 05:41:55Z

Yes a Question, I am looking for any further details on Thomas Richards burial, have assumed maybe buried on the riverbank under cover of night, due to the fact the ships captain didn't want it to be known of cholera outbreak on his ship , when report went back to England.
however any further information would be helpful.

Re: Thomas RICHARDS death at sea/ in Quarantine New South Wales

mi2early — 2012-12-02 14:17:06Z

Admin note:

Do you have a question or are you posting to let others know about this situation?

Re: James KAVANAGH - drowned at sea 1889??

arickett161 — 2012-11-30 17:16:36Z

Thank you for those websites - I'll check them out. Let you know if I'm successful. Angela

Re: Seaman died at sea

mi2early — 2012-11-30 14:26:15Z

"Shows Miles death in the Atlantic Ocean."

Where? Are you seeing this on a tree or an actual record?

For info about researching deaths at sea, see

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=...

and listen to the podcast at
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/bmd-at-sea.htm

If your concern is that there was another Miles HODGSON, posting on the Northumberland message board may bring you some answers.

Good luck!

Re: James KAVANAGH - drowned at sea 1889??

mi2early — 2012-11-30 14:22:48Z

The National Archives may hold the answer. See

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=...

A podcast at
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/podcasts/bmd-at-sea.htm

Good luck!

James KAVANAGH - drowned at sea 1889??

arickett161 — 2012-11-29 09:42:27Z

Have heard that he and his brother were emigrating to the U.S. and he drowned at sea?? but I think his brother made it OK - do not know the brother's name. They would have sailed from Liverpool. Has anyone suggestions as to how I can check into this?

Re: Seaman died at sea

TreesLimbsTwigs2013 — 2012-11-28 18:58:21Z

The only firm information that I have on Miles Hodgson is that he married Margaret Ann Manderson 10 August 1851 at Saint Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England. Margaret was born 20 March 1832 and died in Tower City, Pennsylvania 17 March 1903. The 1841 England census supports this information, but also shows Margaret's mother as Agnes.

Miles Hodgson fathered a daughter with Margaret Manderson Hodgson with the name Margaret Ann Hodgson 21 June 1853 Wingate, Durham, England. Under the England & Wales Marriages on Ancestry it matches the above info with her father as Joseph Manderson and Miles father as William Hodgson. Shows Miles death in the Atlantic Ocean. Records at St. Peters Lutheran Church England shows he was born about 1827 and was christened 27 June 1827 in Tynemouth, Northumberland, England. His father is listed as William Hodgson, mother's name Jane, no middle name.

I know that my family member (Margaret) claimed that she was married to him and had his child and he died at sea. When Margaret came to this country she married my great-grandfather Gebhard Long from Austria in Pennsylvania in 1873. They had a son George William Long in 1871, which would mean of course that she either had my grandfather before she met my great-grandfather or they had lived together before marriage. There is no record I can find on church records (Luthern)in Penn. that they did marry in the church or that George William was christened in the church. I then began to doubt the entire saga and thought that Margaret Ann Hodgson had my grandfather before marriage with another man, as he was the only child left out of his so called father's will.

It appeared to me that something about the situation is not right. A cousin then told me she had over heard her mother say they were bastard children due to the marriage date and the date the grandfather had been born.

Later I found a Miles Hodgson that fit the profile of the Miles Hodgson I was trying to prove had died at sea as alive and living in England with his wife and family. That is why I am trying to prove a Miles Hodgson did indeed die at sea or not, and when he died. Many thanks for any input or help with this. - Addie Long Conway

Re: Seaman died at sea

mi2early — 2012-11-28 17:03:26Z

There are too many Mildes HODGSONs to be able to help without further information. Provide some idea of dates and where Miles HODGSON lived.

When you describe him as a seaman, was he in a nation's navy, was he a merchant seaman, a fisherman, or ...?

Seaman died at sea

TreesLimbsTwigs2013 — 2012-11-28 15:42:59Z

How do you find information if a seaman died at sea? I have a relative that claims her spouse died at sea, then she came to the states. I do not have a clue how I would go about finding his death information. Help! His name was Miles Hodgson.

Re: Bridget O'ROURKE swept overboard at sea

mi2early — 2012-10-18 16:03:30Z

Admin note:

It might be easier for someone to help if you'll say what evidence you have that the child was swept overboard and died.

Bridget O'ROURKE swept overboard at sea

EmilyMorris511 — 2012-10-17 13:27:40Z

Bridget was a Irish girl about ten years old who was swept overboard at sea and perished. I don't know the name of her parents, or even the year of her demise. I estimate that she was one of the Irish immigrants during the 1840's, so approximate date of birth would be the 1830's, but it could be earlier, or even later. I know that the ships passenger lists would have to account for those that died at sea, but since I don't know the name of the ship or the exact year, this would be quite difficult. Does anyone have any suggestions? She was a child that I have been wanting to find information on for a long time, but don't know how to go about it.

Re: Albertus Henderikus (alias Albert Henry) ROOSEBOOM Death at sea?

blauweparel — 2012-09-30 04:26:31Z

Hi Steve,

Let me know what information you have,

Margaret

Re: Ann McENTEE - possible death at sea?

flashvacash — 2012-07-02 17:06:05Z

Thank you for your info. I will check it out.

Re: Ann McENTEE - possible death at sea?

barbaravolgagerman — 2012-06-20 03:59:58Z

i don't spell well, but here goes. try to track down the microfisch of the ship manafest they were on. in one way you are in luck. she was traveling with family. it makes tracking down information a bit easier, sometimes. my ggrandma came over with her 3 very young daughters. The youngest was 4 months old, Marie, died, and was buried at sea. On the ship manafest they simply took a pencil, marked one thin line all across the line her name and information was on, and simply wrote 'died' to the left in the margin. You had to look carefully to even catch on to what it said. Also look for transcripts of the actual manafests, but know many errors happen. Typos. Also, sometimes if you know what names or information you are looking for it makes it easier to read once you find it. A real catch 22. But if often does work just that way. All we can do at this point is guess and wonder. I do know from reading that if a person was weak or ill to about any degree they stood a strong chance of not being allowed off the ship, and into the states. Could she have gone to Canada or South America or someplace else? Read about Ellis Island. Things like that were not just limited to Ellis Island either. "Give us your tired, your poor, your........" just read up on things like that for immigrants. Not our most shining hour, IMHO. Anyway, maybe look for your loved one in other country's ports about the time her family came here. Maybe canada or south america. read up. many countries were easier, and cheaper for immigrants to enter than the us. ALL immagrants to the us had to be strong and healthy. even babies. no kidding. read up on immigration to the us during those times. it was not easy, nice, simple, pretty, and I could go on and on... many people had to go to a 'plan b'. even if the rest of the family went with the 'plan a' My best to you and yours. Barbara

Re: Albertus Henderikus (alias Albert Henry) ROOSEBOOM Death at sea?

mi2early — 2012-06-02 14:09:10Z

Admin note:

Sharing information is the purpose of these boards. Why not just post the information you have right here on the message board? That way both the original poster and anyone else interested in the family will see your reply.

Re: Albertus Henderikus (alias Albert Henry) ROOSEBOOM Death at sea?

stevetargetno2 — 2012-06-02 01:52:32Z

Margaret, I have some info for you, so please post a reply, or email me via my off site email address which is on my profile page.

Once I know you have seen this post then I will pass on the info to you.

Regards, Steve.

Milwaukee's German newspapers: "cholera ship" Libnitz, 91 deaths

rebholzgary — 2012-05-31 13:46:04Z

Newspapers sometimes published lists of deaths extracted from the passenger manifest of tragic journeys like the ship "Libnitz" where over 91 people died from cholera during the voyage between Nov 1867 and Jan 1868. The logical place to find details about these stories is the ethnic press, and particularly the German-American press when it concerns a boatload of Germanic emigrants - most of them noted as being from Mecklenburg.
Gary Rebholz
gary.rebholz@gmail.com
"Milwaukee's German Newspapers; an index of death notices and related items" (1844-1950)

Re: Sailors lost at sea... BEWS

bbffrrpp — 2012-05-23 22:51:04Z

Hi Liz,

My gr-gr-grandfather was Evan CORKILL who was born on the Isle of Man in 1827. He was the 2nd of 10 children born to John and Esther (CORKILL) CORKILL. They were married in the Lezayre Parish in 1822, and their first child was son, John CORKILL, b1825. Both sons married women from Cumberland, England, but they raised their children in Liverpool. Evan and Elizabeth (QUAYLE) CORKILL (sometimes CORKHILL) had 7 children but one son died at 10. I think his brother, John, and his wife, had about 8 children.

Evan and Elizabeth's oldest daughter was Mary Elizabeth CORKILL, b1860 in Liverpool, and she became my great-grandmother. After Elizabeth's death ~1871, all the surviving children went to live in Canada. Evan was a mariner and was always - out to sea.

There is a CORKILL List, and I have posted about my ancestors on several Lists for 7-8 yrs.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(on Lists and Boards for 10 yrs.; now an Admin for 9 Lists and 4 Boards)

"Seamen lost at sea"

2012-05-23 21:44:33Z

Liz:
I have a "Certified Copy of an Entry in the Marine Register"
issued by the General Register Office for my relative who fell from the Gallant yardarm and hit the hatch and died instantly in 1884 while at sea. But he was not actually registered until the ship came back to England next year! The Peter Stuart(ship) I got details on it from "Lloyds Register:British and Foreign Shipping". It tells about all the physical facts about the ship. Precisely though, I had some paid genealogist look in BT 157/15 Register of Seaman's Deaths July- Dec. 1884. And BT 155/9 Names of Ships 1883-86. Index BT 153 Registers of wages and effects of Deceased Seamen 1852-1889. Good luck, Roy Grundy

Re: Corkill-Quine Manx names

janettideman — 2012-05-23 17:14:04Z

My father, William L. Quine came from a Manx family on his father's side, but was actually born in Hoylake, just south of Liverpool, home of his mother's family (Toulouse). Feel free to take a look at my public family tree and see if you find anything useful.

Re:Ann McENTEE - possible death at sea?

lf6998 — 2012-05-10 20:23:29Z

Name: Ann McEntie

Arrival Date:6 Feb 1849

Age:34

Gender:F (Female)

Port of Arrival:New York

Port of Departure:Liverpool
Place of Origin:Ireland
Ship:Speed

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&...

Hi do you know how old your aunt was? Sometimes to get a discount on shipfees the traveling person may lie about there age to get a cheaper rate. I know this is 3yr later than you said she came but family history may have the wrong year, I found my greatx2 granfather arrived to a few years later than my great aunt had documented. Good luck.

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Re: DEATH AT SEA

flashvacash — 2012-05-09 16:59:31Z

I don't have the record. A relative who found the documents has since passed,so I have to start over.

Re: possible death at sea?

flashvacash — 2012-05-09 16:57:58Z

thank you for your time. I will double check .

Re: Peter YOUTS from Switzerland - Possible Death at Sea

annakincade_1 — 2012-04-17 18:10:15Z

On another census it states immigration year as 1850

Re: Peter YOUTS from Switzerland - Possible Death at Sea

lf6998 — 2012-04-16 21:14:46Z

HI

Try to determine what Youts would have meant as a surname in Swiss. Usually if changed it still has a derivative of the original, ie: Van Den Elzen Van=From Den=The Elzen=mountains in Netherlands, so their lastname reflected where they came from.

I will try to do some searching this week and get back to you. See what I come up with. No promises. Good luck in the meant time. L

Re: Peter YOUTS from Switzerland - Possible Death at Sea

annakincade_1 — 2012-04-16 21:14:30Z

It is unknown when the family immigrated; on a 1920 census the immigration year is listed as 1853 and Naturalization in 1860. I've searched ISTG and Castle Garden records for for 1853 and cannot find Youts or any variation.

I'm figuring the 1853 date is a guess (as some of the information throughout the census' found have incorrect data).

The first census I find Mary (mother) and kids on is 1860 in St Joseph, Indiana with husband John Kelly.

No dates or departure points have been found or are known at this point by any of the family. There are a few Youts lines in America; one Youts family settled in Beaver, Pennsylvania - that line is not connected (at this point).

Any ideas how to find information?

Re: Possible Death at Sea

mi2early — 2012-04-10 14:29:42Z

ADMIN NOTE:

Please provide some dates, even if approximate.

Peter YOUTS from Switzerland - Possible Death at Sea

annakincade_1 — 2012-04-10 13:55:03Z

There is a story in the family that cannot be proved or disproved.

Story is Peter Youts (last name could have changed) from Switzerland (don't know what Canton/area) sold his store/shop for an undetermined amount of gold. Shortly there after he boarded a ship (unknown) for the United States. However, he never disembarked. So the family story is that he was robbed and killed (thrown overboard). He was never heard from again. A while later his widow and 3 children immigrated to the US and resided in St Joseph, Indiana.

There are many holes to that story, I know - but can anyone help me out?

~Anna

Ann McENTEE - possible death at sea?

flashvacash — 2012-04-10 13:49:01Z

i AM TRYING TO LOCATE INFO ON A POSSIBLE DEATH AT SEA FOR MY GREAT AUNT; ANN McEntee She was traveling over from Ireland1846 with, brother,thomas F. McEntee & mother,Bridget.
tHERE IS NO RECORD THAT SHE GOT OFF THE SHIP.
cAN'T FIND ANY INFO ON PASSENGER LISTS.