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Re: Other information on Passenger and Immigration Lists

BobNY — 2013-03-30 03:50:35Z

Without a specific example, any response would be pure conjecture.

Other information on Passenger and Immigration Lists

vkcostanzi — 2013-03-29 21:27:51Z

Does anyone know why the information on a person found through searching the Passenger and Immigration Lists indicates only "mentioned in Land Survey" and has no information on actual immigration?

Re: How do I tell which immagration record is correct?

falsterden — 2013-03-24 04:45:40Z

Good answer Cyndi. mpalmeri1980, the forum cannot evaluate the correctness of any aspect of an immigration record for someone about whom nothing has been shared, not even his name! You might be looking at the wrong passenger manifest(s); the forum has no way of judging. In general, a crossed out name means the person did not board the ship. In general, errors happen in all kinds of records.

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

dmf859 — 2013-03-19 20:21:00Z

I have seen the same thing on one of my family members records. I beleive that it means they werent on that ship. For some reason they were scheduled but didnt board. This is why I think this. I found my family member on a later record and also I know her traveling partner backed out and she also was crossed off of the first record.A very old aunt told me the traveling partner decided not to come to America. I hope this helps

Re: passengers lists lookups: KLEER from Germany; JONES from Wales or England

robin2677 — 2013-03-05 17:37:28Z

I have a GG Grandmother Named Elizabeth Jones born about 1828. I believe she was born in England and came to America sometime in 1840's or 50s. I've been told she lived in Penn and moved to Zanesville, Ohio and Married George Edwards in 1854. I have never been able to figure out how they met. My grandfather come from England (Liverpool)in Oct of 1852.
My grandfather was on board a shop named States Rights. I have had no luck in finding her in any records other than marriage in 1854. George traveled to America with his brother William who married a Mary Jones. So could be 2 brothers married 2 sisters .

Re: Line marked through passenger and his/her record

la5door — 2013-03-01 21:31:25Z

BobNY,

Thank you very much for the explanation. This now all makes sense.

Thank you again,
Frank

Line marked through passenger and his/her record

la5door — 2013-03-01 14:07:50Z

I located a relative on a ship's passenger manifest on May 1905 but his name and accompanying data was neatly crossed through across all his information. Then in June 1905 I believe my same relative appears again on another passenger's ship manifest.
I am relatively certain that they are the same person based on the accompanying data match from each of the manifests.
The questions: When a name is crossed through would that be that the person was denied entry and returned to his native country. If so, are there documents that may detail why entry was denied?
Thank you all in advance for your help.

Re: Line marked through passenger and his/her record

BobNY — 2013-03-01 14:03:39Z

" . . . would that be that the person was denied entry . . ."

No. It means the person did not board the ship.

Re: Brand new...need help on passenger list

halpark — 2013-01-09 20:37:15Z

Third one down from the top is the same - would guess they were girls whose "occupation" was something like "mother's help" or giving general help in a house in some form. I have actually found "Mother's help" recorded in an 1881 census.

Re: Brand new...need help on passenger list

JoelWeintraub — 2013-01-09 20:32:01Z

"Help"

Re: Brand new...need help on passenger list

internationalchic1 — 2013-01-09 18:43:30Z

Many thanks. Now if I only I could read the entry above all those ladies

"do" notation on passenger list

internationalchic1 — 2013-01-09 18:16:41Z

A 20 yr old female ancestor has what appears "do" in the occupation filed of a ship manifest. What does this mean?

Re: Brand new...need help on passenger list

BobNY — 2013-01-09 18:13:52Z

do = ditto = same as entry above

Place of origin for German g-g-grandmother

MichaelMatthews90 — 2013-01-03 18:28:51Z

Hi,
I'm trying to find the place of origin for my g-g-grandmother Maria (or Ann Mary) Baumann who emigrated from Germany eventually to Australia via the UK in 1857. I have her journey from Liverpool to Australia in 1857, and I have two possibles for her initial journey from (probably) Rotterdam to London which, if correct, suggest she would have been in the UK for between 17 months and 4 years. Neither gives a place of origin. One however was on the Batavier, a Rotterdam-registered steamship, arranged by the Mainz-based agent Carl Ahlborn. The other just gives Rotterdam-London and a date, no ship's name.
Any advice on where to turn next would be gratefully received.
Heather.

Re: How do I tell which immagration record is correct?

cyndi308 — 2012-12-30 05:52:43Z

Perhaps. Or the age you think is right is an error.

Cyndi

Re: How do I tell which immagration record is correct?

mpalmeri1980 — 2012-12-29 19:01:04Z

On the one that is not crossed out, the age is incorrect.. Just an error?

Re: How do I tell which immagration record is correct?

cyndi308 — 2012-12-29 18:03:48Z

Ship's manifests were made out in port before the ship left. I've seen cross-outs before. They happen when someone buys tickets but then doesn't actually make it on the boat (could be due to illness). Hopefully, the boat where your relatives' names were not crossed out was the last of the three.

Another possibility is clerical error. If the clerk had several manifests on his (likely) desk and just wrote in the wrong one.

Yes, the one where they were not crossed out is almost certainly the one they traveled on.

Cyndi

How do I tell which immagration record is correct?

mpalmeri1980 — 2012-12-29 17:19:21Z

My search results for my great grandfather brought up three different ships all listing his name and the lady he traveled with. Two of the boats arrived in July 1906 and one in June. Two records have their names crossed out and the one where they are not, the boat only has 4 passengers.

Is there an explanation as to why he was crossed out or why he may be listed on all 3 ships, when clearly the timeline of all records make that a physical impossibility? Did they maybe go from one boat to another? Should I assume the record that does not have their names crossed out is the correct one?

Re: Journey from Bremen, Germay to Southampton, England

mi2early — 2012-12-19 17:50:08Z

I entered "bremen to southampton 'nautical miles'" into a search engine and came up with this:

395 nautical miles

That, however, is by plane. The sailing distance would be somewhat greater.

Entering "steamship from bremen to southampton" brings up quite lot of information, including this very interesting site which might answer your questions:

http://www.gjenvick.com/SteamshipArticles/index.html#axzz2FW...

Journey from Bremen, Germay to South Hampton, England

k79lawrence — 2012-12-19 14:48:09Z

Hello, I was wondering if there is anyone out there who might be able to help me with the following:

My great great grandparents left Bremen, Germany in May of 1861, they were on the Steamship "New York" I have found out that they arrived in South Hampton, England. They left South Hampton, England on May 15, 1861, and arrived at Castle Garden in New York City on May 28, 1861.
My question is:

I was wondering if anyone out there knows how many nautical miles it is from Bremen, Germany to South Hampton, England and can you give me at least a rough estimation as to how many days it would take a steamship like the New York to go from Bremen to South Hampton?

I am hoping to figure out the day that they might have left Bremen, Germany.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thank you,

Keith Lawrence

k79lawrence@gmail.com

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

victoriabechkowiak — 2012-12-03 14:46:46Z

If this ship manifest came through Ellis Island, you can contact them and they will tell you why it was crossed out.

notation on manifest "Albert Gallatin" 05/10/1850

embtree — 2012-09-12 15:36:01Z

Albert Gallatin passenger manifest 05/10/1850
On the line entry for John Cusac, there is an asterisk to the left of his name. I have scrolled through the entire manifest and do not see anyplace with a notation pertaining to the asterisk. If the notation was made on a part of the document that was not scanned, is there another way I can find it?
When I look a the manifest entries on the NARA site, I see that the baby Patrick was noted as BORN AT SEA. I don't see that on the scanned image. I suspect that is what the asterisk is for, but the asterisk is not next to Patrick's name. Other babies born at sea have a note in the right hand column. I don't want to miss any additional information that might exist for this family.
Thank you very much for any help you can offer.

Re: Need help interpreting notation on manifest Albert Gallatin 05/10/1850

embtree — 2012-09-12 12:56:38Z

Ship – Albert Gallatin
Departed – Liverpool
Arrived – New York 05/10/1850
Image 18 of 35
*John Cusac - 23
Kate Cusac - 27
Patrick Cusac – infant
Passenger list attached
link to passenger list from ancestry
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=...

link to NARA site showing Patrick Born at Sea
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/display-partial-records.jsp?dt=1...=

I am trying to determine what the *(asterisk) next to John’s name means. I don’t see any notation pertaining to it on the scanned passenger list.
Thank you very much

Re: Need help interpreting notation on manifest Albert Gallatin 05/10/1850

mi2early — 2012-09-12 00:44:49Z

Admin note:

It will be difficult for anyone to help without a lot more information, such as to where and from where John CUSAC was sailing. Please attach a copy of the passenger list or at least provide a URL where it can be viewed. Please also give baby Patrick's surname.

Re: Cause of Detention

RobertJerin — 2012-09-04 23:26:00Z

telg for $ = telegraphed for money

Robert

Cause of Detention

TraciBennettPutnam — 2012-09-02 15:36:18Z

On a passenger detention record under "Cause of Detention", what does "telg for $" mean?

Re: What to do if can't find them on ship manifests??

cemcrawler — 2012-08-12 14:44:36Z

Try searching at
www.http://stevemorse.org (it's a free site)

I find the following - hope it helps (name is listed as Sina Roith):

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Record for Adolph Whittien
Page 5 of 16
5th line from bottom

Ship Name: Saale
Date of Arrival: 20 May 1887
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Port of Arrival: New York
Name: Lina Roith
Age: 15
Sex: Female
Occupation: None
Nationality: Germany
Destination: USA

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

JLMclaughlin1964 — 2012-08-06 03:37:28Z

Her name was Anne McHale. From Birmingham, England. She is listed as age 19.

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

RobertJerin — 2012-08-06 02:56:59Z

What is the name of the passenger?

Robert

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

JLMclaughlin1964 — 2012-08-04 19:36:03Z

My deepest thanks for your comprehensive reply. I will do just as you suggest.

Best Wishes
Jan McLaughlin

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

717edison — 2012-08-04 05:13:22Z

Hi JL,

I just came across the same issue, so I did a Google search for "interpreting ship's manifests" and found a helpful blogpost that said:

"Sometimes an entire line is crossed out, not because the passenger was not on board, but because they are officially listed on another page of the manifest."
(You can read the whole post at http://stephendanko.com/blog/268)

In a perfect world, the "other page" where the passenger is listed should have been indexed and displayed separately in your search results, but if it wasn't, probably your next best option (that is, if you're like me and hate to leave any stone unturned) would be to manually scroll through all of the other pages of the manifest to see if you can find her somewhere else.

But first you might want to re-visit your search results first to make sure any search results you might have assumed were duplicate hits (because there are always plenty of those) aren't in fact representing different pages on the manifest where your Aunt Ann might be listed...it's definitely worth clicking through those before tackling the whole manifest!

Either way, hope you find her!

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

mi2early — 2012-08-02 14:17:09Z

It's often easier to decipher documents when a larger portion of the document is provided.

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

JLMclaughlin1964 — 2012-07-31 18:17:10Z

Port is NYC
Ship is the Celtic
The date is April 15, 1906

Thanks.

Re: Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

BobNY — 2012-07-31 04:19:07Z

Could you please identify the port, ship and date of this manifest. The single line is useless.

Can I get help reading a line item on a manifest?

JLMclaughlin1964 — 2012-07-30 20:02:31Z

My grandmother and aunt immigrated together in 1906. Or so I thought. I see now that my aunt's line in crossed through. What does it mean? Did she not board the ship?
What do you think? I have attached the lines in two parts since they were too long to do in one snip. Thank you so much for any wisdom you can give me. My grandmother is MaryAnn McHale and my aunt was Ann McHale. She did not die during the crossing, because she is mentioned in a later obituary. Thank you!

Turned back at Ellis Island

abegreenhouse — 2012-06-04 18:01:50Z

Hi,

Does anybody know if there are any records which might contain information about immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island only to be turned back for medical or other reasons? According to family anecdotes, reletives on two sides of my family had this unfortunate experience.

One family, the Janofsky's, were said to have been turned back due to the father getting something in his eye just before inspection, which was mistaken for a case of pink eye. He and his family were refused entry and sent back to Poland where they likely perished in the Lodz ghetto.

Another family member was said to have been turned back due to a mental illness of some kind. Luckily, he may have arrived with other siblings, and I might find some info on the ship's manifest.

My question though, is what OTHER records, besides manifests, might exist regarding these unfortunates who were turned away?

Thanks,

Abe

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

jmazuca — 2012-03-09 14:10:12Z

Thanks -the name is: Juliana Paja, Arrived: Sept. 25, 1911
Ship: Prinz Friedrich Willhelm -I assumed she was traveling with a child approx. 18 mos. old but from the ship manifest I can't tell. I was informed that lpc meant 1 person w/child, and that would have made sense to me. I'm not so sure now. Juliana did get deported but I thought it was because of the sick child. Juliana returns to the US in June 1913 -Ship: Rhein, through the port of Baltimore with a child who is definately listed. You have been very helpful and I thank you!

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

BobNY — 2012-03-09 04:43:20Z

The first is actually lpc, likely to be a public charge. For the second, 250 is probably being misread. Can you list the immigrant, the date and the ship so that the response will be more than mere conjecture.

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

jmazuca — 2012-03-09 03:22:22Z

Re: Aliens for Special Inquiry, what does 1 pc mean and 250 cert? Thank you.

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

RobertJerin — 2012-03-03 21:16:07Z

The Certificate of arrival number is of little use as an item to request Naturalization Papers. You need to request by name (and any aka) and the year.

Robert Jerin

Re: passengers lists lookups: KLEER from Germany; JONES from Wales or England

skizzoshop — 2012-02-29 16:54:11Z

Did you try the name "Klier"?? Kleer is not so german.
Catherine is in german "Katharina" or "Catharina". There
are many Klier in "Immigration & Travel".

Re: Advanced / smart search by multiple names

stbower — 2012-02-19 14:07:50Z

I would be glad to know of any sites with such capability, including sites with a fee - thanks.

Re: Advanced / smart search by multiple names

mi2early — 2012-02-18 17:02:12Z

Almost any web browser will do that. For Google, see http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&...

If you are asking about searching on a particular site, you'll need to say what site that is. Not all sites have the same search capabilities.

Advanced / smart search by multiple names

stbower — 2012-02-18 16:19:27Z

Are there any advanced or "smart" search engines out there that enable search for multiple names? I've identified several possible "Bauer" relations who immigrated from Germany to Ohio, with common names (Jacob, John/Johannes, Charles), for which I'd like to search for immigration records where they appear together. I can search passenger lists, etc., for separate names, but triangulating is quite time consuming. I'd like to search for records that have Jacob and John together or in close proximity - that would be a huge time saver. Any search tools like that out there?

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

bevgeokids — 2012-02-11 20:13:10Z

hey, thanks. that helped a bit. so the number i found is the certificate of arrival number. then can i request from NARA the naturalization papers related to that number if that's all I have, along with their name? Or do I need more info?

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

BobNY — 2012-02-11 14:03:12Z

http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/Manifests/occ/

Re: notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

irmalommen124 — 2012-02-11 09:45:51Z

Could you please attache an example of your question?
Thanx

notes on passenger lists-what do they mean?

bevgeokids — 2012-02-10 21:40:04Z

on a recent passenger list i discovered my ancestos on, there were some numbers written in near their names, such as 5-70124 8/5/36. what do these mean? would appreciate some insight into this.

Re: Witnesses on Naturalization Records

blrrcn1 — 2012-01-22 22:41:24Z

It appears the witnesses were chosen by the the individual being naturalized.Someone who can attest how long the individual was in the country, among other things. On the naturalization records in my data base, there are family and others who are not, I assume they are friends.

Witnesses on Naturalization Records

ErinDitscheit — 2012-01-22 20:48:58Z

Does anyone know if the witnesses that are listed on naturalization records were chosen/selected for any particular reason? What constituted a "witness"? Were they generally family members or friends of the immigrant?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Erin