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Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 12 Mar 2014 10:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
I’m searching for the origin of a newly-discovered 2x great-grandfather: Frank KOSIN. He was born 4 August 1869 in “Russian-Poland” and immigrated to Nanticoke, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania around 1885 (based on his responses on US Census records). According to his PA marriage record (to his second wife), his mother was ANNA “PISHINSKI” which could be Peściński or Peszyński in Poland (I’ve heard it’s a rare surname?). A kind researcher took at look at this surname and believes this family is supposed to be from these three places: Żuromin, Bieżuń and Sierpc.

His father was THEODOR KOSIN, perhaps from the Poniatowo, Żuromin, and Sierpc area, among other nearby towns (again, based on information from a helpful poster).

My trouble is, I have been unable to find Frank Kosin in any passenger manifest I have access to. I've checked New York, Philadelphia, even Boston and Canadian ports, been very open to variant spellings of the name, searched several years before and after the 1885 date he gives.

I feel like I've exhausted every avenue: does anyone have any suggestions what to do next? Without Frank Kosin's passenger manifest, I will never know exactly where he came from; hence, here ends my search for the family. (I have not found any naturalization records for him, either).

Any advice would be most appreciated: I have hit the brick wall!

Thank you so very much,

Meredith

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 2:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Meredith
It is possible that Frank's naturalization intent & petition will not have a place of birth. If he would have been naturalized after 1906 than yes.
I take it no place of birth on his second church marriage record?

http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/kosin.html Zuromin does seem a location with most of KOSIN surname holders.

Possible that the shipping clerk's handwriting was not legible and his surname could have been transcribed with H or R or ? .

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?search_lastname=kosi...

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?search_lastname=Pe%B...

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?search_lastname=Pesz...

http://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?search_lastname=Pysi...

http://forum.polishorigins.com/
http://www.polishroots.org/

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 9:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your link suggestions!

Yes, I have heard that earlier naturalization documents don't really provide all that much info, though I'm pretty desperate in terms of finding something at all.

I do not have any record of his immigration: no passenger list that I can find. He immigrated in 1885 (this date is consistent throughout the 3 US census records I have for him), but I have never found him. He ended up in Pennsylvania: I searched New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore ports.

The name is definitely with a "K".

On various documents he stated he was from "Russia" and "Poland" and often "Russian-Poland." I believe he spoke Polish, and was married in the local Polish Catholic church. No, placename on his marriage records, either one, except one listed "Russia" and the other "Poland."

Thank you again,

M

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 9:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Jun 2014 9:39PM GMT
You're welcome M.

Nothing than in the children's baptismal record ?
Sometimes the godparents of the first US born child were from the "old country".
From what area of present Poland were people arriving in 1885? He went to a place where
someone from the family or the village was residing in PA might you know their surname?

did you listen to the pronunciation of KOSIN in http://ivona.com

Since he was naturalized so early so no Draft Registration Form for WWl or WW2. Nothing in his death certificate? or his obituary or headstone?

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Have you tried follow the paper trail of his wifes? Maybe the first one was from same general area as he was?

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) KOSIN

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 10:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Jun 2014 10:19PM GMT
Meredith

Kosin, Eleokoda Zuromin, Russia 21 1886 1907 <>
She is going brother Franciszek KOSIN [address] Detroit Mich.
I'm sure you looked at the NY EI arrival. I just got excided seeing the first name Franciszek.

Have you considered sending a request to the archive that is holding the Zuromin church records since you have his precise date of birth?

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Might you know his first wife's maiden name?

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) KOSIN

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 10:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you again! You pose great questions for me to think this through further...

A few answers:

There is nothing in my great-grandmother's baptism record; I have Frank Kosin's obituary and his death certificate: nothing. He only had one biological child, my great-grandmother Helena; he had step-children with he second wife (they married in 1919, when both were in their 50's).

Frank's first wife, my 2xgreat-grandmother, was Annie Neumann; she was from Poland-Germany (not the same area). Annie left Frank and my great-grandmother 2 years after their marriage. So, eventually, Frank divorced her in 1916 (and I know your next question! But no divorce records exist for that time in the county in which they lived -- I talked to the court).

I have traced his first wife fairly well (my great grandmother Helena was placed with her maternal grandparents when she was little; Frank could not work and take care of her as a single man in the 1890's). But since she left him after only a year or two of marriage, I don't think she has any clues about his origin.

Yes -- ha, ha -- you are right: I have seen the record for Eleokoda, but I know for sure that Frank is not in Michigan. There are two other Kosins in Frank's town; they MUST be relatives, but so far I have not found any link.

And yes: I know how Kosin is pronounced. My great-grandmother spelled her maiden name as "Koshain" or sometimes "Koshin" because she knew that is how it sounded, and not how it is actually spelled.

One last note: I am just assuming that "Frank" was originally "Franciszek" -- "Frank" wouldn't be Polish or Russian, even, so I am just guessing his original name from the American name he chose. I could try the archive that might have Zuromin records...

Thanks so much again,
Meredith

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) KOSIN

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 11:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome Meredith.
I have checked on your posting history so do know that you have been there and done that.

Have you posted on Poland's Genforum board?

http://polandpoland.com/common_polish_names.html
http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/polish

I was so hoping that Frank and his first wife were from same region - common language to communicate in and common tradition to observe.

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 18 Jun 2014 11:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
www.herby.com.pl
Piszczyński 187 Wa:17, By:6, Gd:5, Ka:5, Kr:3, Ks:8, Lu:6, Ło:1, Łd:1, NS:7, Op:17, Pl:1, Pt:1, Pł:3, Po:35, Ra:31, Sz:8, To:2, Wł:1, Wr:7, ZG:22

Pyszyński 305 Wa:81, By:2, Ci:2, El:6, Go:2, JG:7, Ka:12, Ki:11, Kn:5, Kr:3, Lg:2, Lu:9, Ło:20, NS:2, Ol:5, Op:1, Pl:4, Pł:18, Po:3, Ra:16, Rz:2, Sł:8, Su:2, Sz:6, To:4, Wb:7, Wł:34, Wr:18, ZG:13

Paszyński 617 Wa:82, BP:1, Bs:6, BB:2, By:19, Ci:9, Gd:11, Go:20, JG:9, Ka:27, Ki:14, Kn:1, Ko:14, Kr:38, Ks:14, Lg:13, Ls:17, Lu:3, Łd:15, NS:16, Ol:9, Op:1, Pl:1, Po:3, Pr:11, Rz:3, Sd:21, Sk:4, Su:15, Sz:17, Tb:2, Ta:70, To:8, Wb:6, Wł:104, Wr:8, ZG:3

Peszciński 5 Ci:5

Peszczyński 72 Wa:14, BB:1, Ci:19, Gd:1, Ko:24, Sz:6, Wł:7

Peszyński 385 Wa:13, BB:5, By:35, Ci:8, Cz:1, El:13, Gd:23, Go:3, Ka:20, Ko:6, Lg:10, Lu:8, Łd:13, Op:3, Pł:81, Rz:3, Sł:1, Sz:9, To:39, Wł:67, Wr:20, ZG:4

Wolski 20110 Wa:1839, BP:212, Bs:84, BB:83, By:732, Ch:137, Ci:131,Cz:663, El:188, Gd:911, Go:233, JG:389, Kl:293, Ka:1293, Ki:967, Kn:220,Ko:354, Kr:469, Ks:57, Lg:409, Ls:102, Lu:935, Ło:8, Łd:1068,NS:156, Ol:256, Op:207, Os:41, Pl:233, Pt:394, Pł:331, Po:587,Pr:30, Ra:755, Rz:132, Sd:297, Sr:326, Sk:339, Sł:679, Su:161,Sz:701, Tb:232, Ta:246, To:506, Wb:296, Wł:222, Wr:688, Za:147,ZG:371

I did not look in moikrewni site to see if by some miracle KOSIN and PISHINSKI is concentrated in Zuromin area.
http://www.moikrewni.pl/mapa/
What if Frank KOSIN came under someone else's name - ship ticket.

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 19 Jun 2014 12:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you again! It's helpful to have another brain working at this!

I know a lot about his life in the US, so it's frustrating not to be able to go "backwards" to his homeland.

Yes, it seems his first wife Annie was from a different area. The Neumann/Neiman family certainly seem to have "German" names (and not Polish/Russian), but they were Catholic, which was less common for Germans by that time. In US Census records, the Neimans identified themselves as German sometimes, and sometimes from "Poland-Germany." It's possible that Frank and Annie had Polish language in common, as well as English; and they did have religion in common.

I feel that looking through regional concentrations of the surname is helpful, but I am still just making a guess without any proof. Your suggestion of finding where Zuromin records are held, and asking for Frank's baptismal record, based on his birth date, might be a good course of action.

What I have been trying to do is trace the two other Kosins who lived in Frank's town, and see if I can find their passenger record -- that might lead me to Frank, as I am convinced they must be related in some way!

I'm grateful!

M

Re: Please help finding Franciszek (Frank) Kosin....

Posted: 19 Jun 2014 12:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome M.

Who was first in Nanticoke, your Frank or the other KOSINs? I would suspect a connection between the KOSINs so try to follow their paper trail. Leave no stone uncovered, as the saying goes.
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