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Re: Swedish family info help please.

JOBaouab — 2013-05-09 17:12:12Z

http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.iow...

Re: Swedish family info help please.

JOBaouab — 2013-05-09 16:53:03Z

Try searching records of the excellent archive called the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center.

http://researchingswedishroots.blogspot.com/2011/09/swenson-...

Judy

Karl Johan Larsson (Charles John Larsson)

needlelady01 — 2013-04-15 17:46:50Z

My g.g.grandfather was Karl Johan Larsson aka Charles John Larsson, born Norkopping, Sweden about 1838. About 1863, he met his future bride on board a ship, port of departure London, destination unknown. The bride disembarked in Sydney, Australia, worked as a domestic and they married there in 1865. The marriage record shows his parents as Charles Larsson, farmer and _____ Hansdotter.
In 1868, bride and child sailed from Sydney home to London, England. From 1869 to about 1875, Charles John Larsson worked shore jobs in London, but went back to sea by 1881. I was told he worked for White Star and sailed out of London until his death between 1897 and 1901.
Lots of "abouts" in this story, but it is all I have. ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.

Engstrom/Rodlund

lilliangourd1 — 2013-03-20 07:44:11Z

Does anyone know the parents of Ernest or Ernst Engstrom and Jennie (Radlund or Rodlund) who came from Sweden about 1902? They sailed from Liverpool on the ship "Sarnia" with their 2 sons, Erick and Rudolph or Ernst Rudolph and landed in New York. I also read that the Sarnia was scrapped in 1896 but in 1904, it is sailing again, (probably just refitted). They lived in Rhode Island and Massachusetts and they are the grandparents of my good friend. Her mother was Doris Engstrom (Hawkins) but she passed away when my friend was an infant so any info would be greatly appreciated.
lilliangourd@yahoo.com

Engstrom Family

lilliangourd1 — 2013-03-20 07:43:15Z

Re: Passenger list--Malmo, Sweden to England

ellenhell — 2013-03-14 22:53:43Z

Sorry, I forgot to tell you the date, they left Malmo 12th of July 1904.

Re: Passenger list--Malmo, Sweden to England

ellenhell — 2013-03-14 22:51:05Z

The ship from Malmo was called Argo the agent was Cunards lines J Oscar Reis from Gothenborg, throu Petersson in Malmo.
There were those passengers
Ola Carlsson 49y
Cecilia Carlsson 41y
Nils H 13y
Axel Hj 11y
Wictor E 8y
Oscar J 2y
Svante H 6y
Anders J Olsson 17y
All of them came from Limhamn, they attand to go to jamestown, NY

This is from a record from Genline for Malmo Poliskammare, utflyttning 1904-1904, pic 297 of 454.
Maybe you can reach this throu Ancestry?

Re: Passenger list--Malmo, Sweden to England

stowerachel — 2013-03-11 18:51:37Z

I do already have that record, actually. Cecilia was turned back because of trachoma, so she eventually took another ship into New York City and was reunited with her family in the States.

Re: Passenger list--Malmo, Sweden to England

schroder_gotland — 2013-03-10 12:34:56Z

Not an answer to your actual request.
And you may already have this.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-24480-18650-86...
Image 380.
What happened to Cecilia?

I would also like to find passenger lists for people leaving Sweden for the UK prior to the crossing.

nelly and oskar lang

krysmfloer — 2013-02-25 22:08:43Z

No, I did not order the inventory from Oskar and Nelly's estate but i will look into that today. I am wondering if the person in Gualov that you found was Lars Lang? If it is I have wrote him a letter and mailed it a couple of days ago. I have also tried calling him but have not got ahold of him yet but will keep trying. Thank you

Re: oskar and nelly lang

Carlib09 — 2013-02-25 20:37:33Z

I was going to ask you if you knew where they lived when they died, when I found the replies Judy Baouab gave you in 2009. Did you ever order the inventories of Oskar's and Nelly's estates, bouppteckningarna? It is still your best bet to find the names and adresses of their children and other heirs.

Anyway, as both Oskar and Nelly died in Gualöv I made a quick search of the Swedish phonebooks online and found one man called Lang living there. As it is a small community of 500 inhabitants, chances are he is related to them. To find him go to www.hitta.se, in the first box "Vad?" enter the name Lang, and in the second box "Var?" enter the location Gualöv. You will get both his phonenumber, his adress and a map of where he lives in Gualöv.

Best of luck

Re: Carl Oscar (Charles?) Lonquist

monica_hermansson — 2013-02-19 17:25:08Z

Carl Oscar was son of Otto Lönquist/Persson and his wife Cajsa Andersdotter, Bållaberg, Fryele. Otto was Grenadjär (soldier)and Lönquist was his soldiername. Ref: birthbook Fryele C:5(1861-1870) and HFL Fryele AI:15 (1882-1892).
Best regards Monica

oskar and nelly lang

krysmfloer — 2013-02-18 23:54:30Z

Hi, I am looking for anybody who might be researching Oskar and Nelly Lang. Oskar was born in Nasum, Kristianstad (Skane) on December 29,1895 and passed away Febuary 19,1969. Nelly Henrietta Perrson (Lang after marrying) was born on September 2.1998 in Ivetofta, Kristianstad (Skane) and passed away on June 30,1976. I am looking for any of their children or grand children still living in Sweden. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, perrson family

immigrant

tahomeascn — 2013-02-06 23:51:24Z

Looking for information on the Lijebjorn family specifically Hildur who immigrated in the late 1800s to New York.

SAGADOHOC - 1853 Göteborg to Boston

kironhistorian — 2013-02-04 08:07:30Z

The Ship Sagadohoc arrived in Boston, Mass. on 24 October 1853 from a direct voyage from Göteborg. How can I find the date of departure from Sweden?

The passenger list shows Fiskes was the Master and 594 is written in the "burthen __594__ 95ths tons" blank on the form. I counted 219 passengers on the list. All were from Sweden. "Died on Voyage" was written next to 56 of those names. That is over 25% of the passengers who died. When 1 in 4 passengers die, there has got to be a story -- but so far I find nothing so I must not be looking in the right places. If anyone has any information or helpful hints to share, I would appreciate. (I'm working on identifying the 219 passengers. Several from Småland and Östergötland close to Lake Vättern identified so far. 1 Känard_N_ family.)

Ang: Re: Carl Oscar (Charles?) Lonquist

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-24 14:20:07Z

Hej! Tack så jättemycket för att du svarade Monica, men jag visste allt detta redan. Jag var otydlig i min fråga... jag undrade vart han tog vägen i USA... Jag har hittat honom på passagerarlistor till New York men än så länge vet jag inte mer.
Vänliga hälsningar
Sandra

Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-21 09:59:12Z

Hi again! Any progress?
You wrote that Charles would be born in 1856 if he was 86 when he died. But since he died in June 1942, he had not reached the age 87 yet.

I wanted to ask you if have checked castlegarden.org?
They have listed everyone who came to New York before 1890...
(But some of the archives got lost in a fire)

By the way, I made progress on my forefather, Carl Oscar Lonqvist, I found him on a ship passengerlist heading to New York in May 1883 :)

Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-11 14:03:51Z

Sandra, I found land like he owned 284 acres of land in different plots in Faithorn MI, He is listed as CC Johnson on each of the 4 plots. It seems like in Wisconsin there was also a CC Johnson who owned land in Harmony Wisconsin in 1896 and right below his says Caroline Johnson, which I thought strange with his wife at times being listed as Caroline.

On his obituary it said he was 86 at death which would have made his birthdate 1856, the photo on the obituary page shows a vehicle with no snow on the ground and it talks about an agency coming to Rhinelander Wisconsin on July 3, 1942. It also showed his name at the heading as Charles Johnson, but the first line of the obit says Charles Johnston and only spelled that way, The mention of his sons shows their last name as Johnston also but it gives his birth date as Dec 15, 1855 on the obit?

Well, one day we you and I will break this mistery. Thanks Rita

Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-11 00:43:22Z

Hi! No, I did not find any Carl with the midde initial E - only J as in Johan...
Yes, I could search again, after a Carl born 15th Dec, 1857. I dont have the time right now though, i am going away for a couple of days. but in a week or so.
Is it possible he lied about his age, to get into the us or someting? I dont know anymore :)
What do you mean, he is in his 80´s in 1942. Isnt that possible?

Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-10 13:40:43Z

did you find a Charles Johnson with a middle initial as E? Or a birth date of 1857 or that would have been in his 80's in 1942. I have a marriage doc that says he is 25 when they married, could have been a mistake, but maybe it is his true age? And an immigration date of 1875? After he got into the USA I don't know if he went right to Michigan or a different state? I also don't know if he stayed a bachelor or was married and divorced or widowed? He and Carrie married in 1882. Let me know what you think?

Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-08 15:56:30Z

I see what you are saying and I agree. There was a woman who tried once and came up with a family, but I don't know how you would check and how it would lead to my Charles Johnson.
Osterberg was an orphan John Edward Johnson Osterberg with his aunt to MN. in 1869 which is one of the imm dates listed on the census.
Other than that I don't know of anything else unless he was related to his wife and I am not looking that direction. I will still be checking this direction. Rita

Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-08 10:08:44Z

Hi, I did check small towns around Stockholm, it took me a day :) I checked suburbs and islands like tumba, tyreso, hasselby, danderyd, vaxholm etc.
I even checked some cities like Flen, Trosa and Nykoping which are 100 kilometers from Stockholm. But I can't see why someone would say they are from Stockholm when they come from Uppsala or something.
And Some of the church books are unreadable or nonexistent though, unfortunately.
He could also be an illegal immigrant, running away from doing the military service....
It seems strange that he never talked about his family or went back to visit them. But if he was an orphan he would still exist in the church books.

Re: Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-07 14:20:41Z

Sandra, I see the confusion just keeps going. My mother before she died said that he Charles Johnson had been in the USA 10 years before her grandmother Carrie Anderson Johnson who got here in 1881. I don't know where the confusion is at, if it is his birth date or the area which he was suppose to be from???

On one of the marriage license of his daughter it shows his name as Charles E. Johnson. Another record shows the mother as Mary Olsen as mother of the bride for another daughter. Now maybe there are clues with some of what is wrote? I found Carrie because one daughter had Carrie Gorgensen (Jorgenson)The name Jorgenson was her grandfathers name who raised her after her mother died when she was born and brought her and his family to the USA.

I know the sound of names were written down because lots of times that is the only way some people could write. Is there any other thing I could go to and look for him? I do not have the Swedish ancestry to look anything up. Is there a way that it might be a smaller city closer to Stockholm? Or just the name and date of birth?

Another thing he was suppose to be 18 years old when he came to the USA and he was the only one who came. I don't know if he had family in Sweden, because he never spoke of his family to any other family members. For all I know he could have been running away from something back there or maybe he was an orphan? I know that he has to be somewhere or there has to be some way of looking on a doccument to see where he came from. I don't know where he was naturalized, Michigan or NY area after he came in? I wouldn't know how to check since there are so many Charles Johnson's out there. I KNOW he owned a sawmill and worked it with his son and son in laws. I know he owned property in Faithorn Michigan I know he lost his home and divorced. The divorce decree I have and it never mentions anything about where he came from. But there just has to be a way we can locate him. Thanks Rita

Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-07 10:41:33Z

Rita, I have now searched the birthbooks from around Stockholm. And all I have found was two Carl Johan born on the 15th of Dec 1855. So the middle initials are maybe wrong.
One of them was born i Spanga, Stockholm and the name of his father was: Johan Peter Wahlberg, so Carl Johans last namne could have been Johansson or he took the name Wahlberg...
The other Carl Johan was born in Maria, Stockholm and the name of his father was Johan Petter Pettersson, so Carl Johans last name is probably Johansson.
Unfortunately I lost track of them both in the churchbooks, there were no reference when they moved. Maybe because it is such a big city.
But if want me to make another try, I will.
I also made a search on Ancestry, (maybe you did that too)
and there was at least one Carl from Stockholm:

New York, passagerarlistor, 1820-1957
Invandring & naturalisering (Immigration and naturalization)
Namn: Carl J Jonsson
Födelse 1855
Härkomst Sweden
Ankomst 14 Jun 1881, New York
Avfärd Glasgow, Scotland
Destination United States of America

New York, passagerarlistor, 1820-1957
Invandring & naturalisering
Namn: Carl W Jonsson
Födelse 1855
Härkomst Sweden
Ankomst 27 Apr 1886, New York
Avfärd Liverpool, England
Destination United States of America

New York, passagerarlistor, 1820-1957
Invandring & naturalisering
Namn: Carl Jonsson
Födelse 1855
Härkomst Sweden
Ankomst 20 May 1879, New York
Avfärd Glasgow, Scotland
Destination United States of America

Swedish Emigration Records, 1783-1951
Invandring & naturalisering
Namn: Carl Johan Johansson
Födelse 1855
Inga Stockholm, Stockholm
Bostadsort Sweden
Ankomst 2 06 1881, Philadelphia

Re: John Adam Adamson

avipe — 2013-01-06 18:41:11Z

Hi, click on the american or british flag top left :)

Re: John Adam Adamson

ddcew — 2013-01-06 18:24:30Z

Thanks Anna

I will try that - the only information I had found was in Swedish which I don't understand apart from a few words

Regards

Dale

Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-06 14:19:41Z

Hi, Yes I think it is strange too, that none of his relatives were interested in his Swedish background. It must have been such a difficult (and exciting) trip, to go all the way to America and start a new life, far far away from their loved ones...
Anyway, what I can do is check the Swedish churchbooks to find any carl jonsson, or similar, who was born around Stockholm, at that date. I dont know if you are familiar with the Swedish books, but the priests also wrote when people emigrated,
Because, i do not know if there is anywhere where they have to declare where in Sweden they were born.
I have trouble myself with a relative who emigrated. I know excactly when and where he was born and that he bought a ticket to New York. But after that I have lost him. But I have just started searching for him so I have many ways left :)
regards
/sandra

Re: John Adam Adamson

avipe — 2013-01-06 10:23:29Z

Hi,

what you could do is to post a message on the Swedish genealogy board asking the same question. There is an English section there and the people are really knowledgeable and helpful.

Make sure to provide all the details that you have in one post (including the name of his brother), which will help them trying to find him for you including these two URLs (death and marriage certificates).
http://tinyurl.com/atmrr4s
http://tinyurl.com/ar3odw6

There forum is free of charge but you will have to register in order to create a post (don't worry, there are no spam emails sent out at all).

http://aforum.genealogi.se/discus/
1. Get a user account, link at the bottom of the page
2. Then go to topics and choose "discussions in english", link at the bottom of the page.

I hope that helps
Anna

Re: Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-06 02:07:31Z

The date on his death certificate listed his birth as Dec 15, 1855 Sweden. No I was using Horsens as an example since his wife was suppose to be from that area in DK but was around As Vejile DK. It was just said for Charles as Stockholm.

He died in Rhinelander Wisconsin June 30 1942. I was told by his granddaughter that he saw the Statue of Liberty when coming into the USA so he came in through New York. Then she said he went to Michigan from there, I don't know how valid her comments are. They didn't know where in Sweden he came from, she said he didn't talk about it, or she doesn't remember? I think it odd that none of the different lines, Johnson, LaRoche, Bengtson families don't know where he came from other than Sweden?

I have relatives in Menominee County Michigan who I will try to get information that she can maybe look up. Right now it would be hard for her since it is winter worse up that direction than here. I know on the license for marriage on some of the daughters information, unless the person writing out the form didn't understand what she said and put an E for Charles E Johnson, when everything else has Charles C Johnson? I need to ask you, is there anything that Charles would have had to put Where in Sweden he came from? I can not get his naturalization paper copies, since I don't know for sure what date he came in to the country and if he got the naturalization in Michigan or was it in New York where he came in from Sweden??Thank you for any help you can give me on this. Rita

Re: John Adam Adamson

ddcew — 2013-01-06 02:02:17Z

Hi Anna

I will get the original photocopy from my father in law - my husband will see him on the 16th.

I assumed that his parents names had been anglisised and read them as Henry Adam Adamson and Mary Adamson - maiden name Brumbet. The closest Swedish surname I found for Brumbet was Brumbech. (A Maria Lovisa Brumbech)

His father is listed as a carpenter.

The typed copy lists place of origin as Hernggahn but I can't find any place with that name in Sweden. I have tried all the variations of how it possibly should have been spelt but have drawn a blank so far.

My father in law is 88 and his Grandfather John Adamson died about 6 years before he was born - he does not remember if he ever heard John's brother's name.

A lot of the early records in NZ were terrible

Re: John Adam Adamson

avipe — 2013-01-06 00:12:40Z

Hi,

is there any chance that you can scan just the birth place, fathers and mothers details in a higher resolution? Its really quite hard to see what it says?

Have a look at the fathers name... doesn't it say Adam E Jonson? The mothers name Mary/May I./J. Jonson? We had a patronymic naming convention back then so that would make sense. The boys names would be Adams-son.

I cannot see what the first name of the father is, starting with H...Henry?

What does it say on line 2?

The birth place is interesting, the second line looks like it ends with ...gatan. Gatan means street in Sweden.

Did his brother get married by any chance? If yes, his marriage certificate might be clearer in terms of the handwriting.

Let me know what you think and if you are able to scan it in a higher resolution, just those last bits

Anna

Re: John Adam Adamson

ddcew — 2013-01-05 23:21:12Z

Hi Anna

Thanks for the response

Unfortunately I very little information although I do have a scan of part of the hand written marriage certificate which I have attached. I have guessed what his mother's surname may have been based on what it possibly sounded like when spoken with a Swedish accent as the writing and spelling indicates that the person filling in the certificate was not very profficient at written English.
I understand that John and his brother did emigrate to NZ together and because they possibly worked for their passage there is no record of them on passenger lists. John was a carpenter by trade.
I don't know whether they came directly to NZ - It may have been via the UK the US or Australia.
They apparently arrived in Christchurch (or Timaru) and went to the West Coast of the South Island from there. I found a grave site in Ross which is on the West Coast of the South Island for a Henry Adamson - Roman Catholic but all church records were destroyed in a fire. I know that John was a catholic and may have left Sweden because of his religon - I understand that the Catholic religion was not popular in the mid 1980s.
John's death certificate (1917) states he had been in NZ for 40 years so his arrival would have been in approx. 1877.

Regards

Dale

Re: John Adam Adamson

avipe — 2013-01-05 22:16:30Z

Hi,

do you know what year he immigrated? Do you know the name of his brother? Did they immigrate together?

Is there any chance that you can scan the marriage certificate, or at least the names of the parents?

I didn't get a match when using the information that you provided but I don't mind having another go

Let me know

Anna

Ang: Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-05 21:43:35Z

Hi! No, I am not related to Charles Johnson, I was just trying to help you. Because I am Swedish and maybe it is easier for me to check things here.
I live in Stockholm, but there is no place called Horsens here or outside Stockholm. (In Denmark there is a Horsens though)

His swedish name should have been Karl or Carl. The last name would be Johansson, Jonsson, Jönsson or Johannesson.
I did not understand, is 1855 his exact birthyear?
kind regards
/sandra

Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-05 21:29:53Z

Sandra, I have looked in a lot of places and contacted a few people last night and this morning so I am kind of confused as to who you are and what I was communicating to you about. I hope I don't sound like a dope, but if I contacted you because of seeing something on your site that was simular to mine, that is what I am thinking. If your talking to me because you saw something of mine, thank you.

I am looking for my GGF Charles C Johnson and in 1930 census it says he immig in 1869 all others say 1873. I have seen on some other members that they are saving some of my information on my tree to theirs and I have contacted them to find out if they are related that way.

I do have his death cert and it doesn't have the area in Sweden. Just the date of death. He lived in Menominee County MI city of Faithorn and Holmes township. There is some confusion with dates on census and calculating the age on the doccument with the date of the doccument don't connect all the time. Rita

Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-05 21:28:54Z

Sandra, I have looked in a lot of places and contacted a few people last night and this morning so I am kind of confused as to who you are and what I was communicating to you about. I hope I don't sound like a dope, but if I contacted you because of seening something on your site that was simular to mine, that is what I am thinking. If your talking to me because you saw something of mine, thank you.

I am looking for my GGF Charles C Johnson and in 1930 census it says he immig in 1869 all others say 1873. I have seen on some other members that they are saving some of my information on my tree to theirs and I have contacted them to find out if they are related that way.

I do have his death cert and it doesn't have the area in Sweden. Just the date of death. He lived in Menominee County MI city of Faithorn and Holmes township. There is some confusion with dates on census and calculating the age on the doccument with the date of the doccument don't connect all the time. Rita

Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

ritarodriguez123 — 2013-01-05 21:17:49Z

I don't know, It was never mentioned except Stockholm Sweden. My GGM said Horsens but It was an area south west of that area. They just said that city because it was closer to the big city. I assume that when they said Stockholm it might be the same thing, closest biggest city. Are you related to Johnsons? I was looking onto your site and saw that you have researched Charles C Johnson from Sweden. Were you researching for someone else or yourself?

Re: Charles Johnson b. abt 1855 Sweden

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-05 20:11:57Z

Hi,
I am sorry but I am not sure what your question is?

Do you know which Swedish city he was born in? Maybe I can help you to find him.

Kind regards
Sandra W

Carl Oscar (Charles?) Lonquist

sandra_wennergren — 2013-01-05 20:03:25Z

Hi, Does anyone know something about this man? He is my great grandmothers brother and he was born in Fryele, Sweden the 21 apr 1866. He emigrated to USA in 1883. He took a boat from Gothenburg to New York. And that is all I know. (I havent visited the archives in Gothenburg yet, maybe I will find something there).
Grateful for all the help you can give me :)
Kind regards
/sandra

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

avipe — 2013-01-04 23:35:15Z

Hi,

I think ellisislandrecords.org only goes as far back as 1892
then there is http://www.castlegarden.org/ which goes back to 1820-1913

You could contact the state archives for Värmland and ask if they know: http://tinyurl.com/avpjmkk

I had a look and found information about both Mattis and Brittas death here:
Glava AI:21 (1886-1890) Bild 374 / sid 361 (AID: v11280.b374.s361, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

Mattis Jansson, b. 14 DEC 1806 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 14 JUL 1889.
Britta Eriksdotter, b. 19 DEC 1811 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 11 JAN 1887.

NB. That page also contains information about Säths and Jans wifes and children.

I had a look for and found Mattis probate here:
Gillbergs häradsrätt FII:29 (1887-1890) Bild 668 / sid 1331 (AID: v47654.b668.s1331, NAD: SE/VA/11147)
I was hoping that it would state the last name of Nils and also the whereabouts of the 3 siblings in the US but all it says is that they are at a known place in the US. Its all witnessed by their sibling Jan, who must have had their addresses.

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 21:55:26Z

Yes I got that spelling fixed :o) thanks

How would I find out what ship he might have come over on? Any idea?
thanks
Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

avipe — 2013-01-04 21:40:07Z

Hi Diane,

I really do hope its him :)

We do use middle names, but when there is a "-son" at the end of it its usually a last name.

I just realised that I've made as spelling mistake on Mats/Mattis last name, I've corrected it in the last post. It now reads Jansson. Which more than likely means that Mattis fathers name was Jan.

Let me know if you need any further help and I'll see what I can do.

Anna

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

avipe — 2013-01-04 21:38:46Z

Hi

I found the following on the Swedish online church records, www.arkivdigital.net in regards to Nils born 6 JAN 1842.

Glava CI:7 (1826-1859) Bild 41 / sid 74 (AID: v6560.b41.s74, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

Father: Mattis Jansson
Mother (wife = hustru) Britta Eriksdotter
Place: Sigfridstorp

Name of child: Nils
Born 6 JAN 1842. Christened 8 JAN 1842
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Glava AI:12 (1840-1844) Bild 231 / sid 225 (AID: v11271.b231.s225, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

1840-1844, Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Mattis Jansson, b. 14 DEC 1806 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Britta Eriksdotter, b. 19 DEC 1811 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Their children:
Johannes, b. 26 JAN 1836 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Christina, b. 15 DEC 1837 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Olof, b. 29 MAR 1840 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Nils, b. 6 JAN 1842 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Erik, b. 25 JAN 1844 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

This is either Mattis or Brittas mother:
Elsa Olsdotter, b. 14 MAY 1780 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
She is a widow (änka)
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Glava AI:13 (1845-1849) Bild 247 / sid 235 (AID: v11272.b247.s235, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

1845-1849, Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Mattis Jansson, b. 14 DEC 1806 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Britta Eriksdotter, b. 19 DEC 1811 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Their children:
Johannes, b. 26 JAN 1836 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Christina, b. 15 DEC 1837 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Olof, b. 29 MAR 1840 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Nils, b. 6 JAN 1842 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Erik, b. 25 JAN 1844 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Carl, b. 13 SEP 1846 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

This is either Mattis or Brittas mother:
Elsa Olsdotter, b. 14 MAY 1780 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
She is a widow (änka)
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Glava AI:17 (1866-1870) Bild 341 / sid 325 (AID: v11276.b341.s325, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

1866-1870, Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Mattis Jansson, b. 14 DEC 1806 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Britta Eriksdotter, b. 19 DEC 1811 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Their children:
Johannes, b. 26 JAN 1836 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Olof, b. 29 MAR 1840 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Nils, b. 6 JAN 1842 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Carl, b. 13 SEP 1846 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Säth, b. 7 APR 1850 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Jan, b. 2 MAR 1852 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland
Lovisa Charlotta, b. 16 NOV 1854 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland

Johannes emigrates 5 DEC 1870
Olof emigrates 5 DEC 1870
Nils emigrates 14 SEP 1868

According to 1861-1865
Glava AI:16 (1861-1865) Bild 329 / sid 319 (AID: v11275.b329.s319, NAD: SE/VA/13154)

Christina got married 24 JAN 1863 and moved out
Erik got married 16 APR 1865 and moved out
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I found the following on the Swedish DVD "Swedish death index 1901-2009"

Johannes came back to Sweden before 1876 from the US and married, he had at least 4 children. He dies 21 DEC 1915 at Östra Skyberg, Älgå, Värmlands län, Värmland. Married 26 JUL 1876.

Christina Mattsdotter (married name Olsson), b. 15 DEC 1837 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 15 MAR 1916 at Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Widowed 5 FEB 1908.

Erik Mattsson, b. 25 JAN 1844 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 11 OCT 1923 at Daln, Arvika landsförsamling, Värmlands län, Värmland. Widower 27 JUN 1920.

Carl Mattsson, b. 13 SEP 1846 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 28 JUL 1928 at Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. He was married at the time of his death.

I couldn't find Säth on the DVD but in 1900 he is married with 2 children, living in Glava.

Jan Mattsson, b. 2 MAR 1852 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Died 16 JUN 1927 at Lyckan, Norra Boda, Boda, Värmlands län, Värmland. Married 27 DEC 1879.
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I found the following on the Swedish emigration DVD "EMIBAS":

Lovisa Charlotta Matsdotter/Mattesdotter, b. 16 NOV 1854 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland. Emigrates 27 APR 1883 from Sigfridstorp, Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland.

She emigrates with her husband and daughter:
Husband: Johan Olsson, b. 24 MAY 1853 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland.
Daughter: Anna Lovisa, b. 13 JAN 1881 in Glava, Värmlands län, Värmland.
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I hope this helps

Anna
NB! I am not related to this family

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 20:53:20Z

Oh My goodness thank you so very much. I really think this is finally him. I have been looking for over a year and your telling me they did not use middle names and his true last name did it :o)

Thank you so very much Anna :o)

Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 19:44:55Z

OMY GOODNESS I am having such trouble because of the DOBs. Different documents have different ages for him all within 1 yr of each other. The 1885 Census record has him at 42 years of age on JAN 1st, that sounds right since his birthday making him 43 would have been Jan 6th.

So perhaps he is indeed the Nils Mattsson with DOB 6 jan 1842 :o)

sorry for so many posts, I have not delved into my tree for months and when I got your email I had to relook at so many things.

Thanks so much ANNA
are you of swedish ancestry?

Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 19:16:59Z

Just did a bit of math and I am getting a for sure DOB of Jan/5/1843, DOD Aug 6 1893 at 50 yrs of age for NILS M RIDO (REDO)
Children went by both REDO and RIDO

Thanks so much
Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 19:08:01Z

HI Anna,

I have his gravestone where he is buried in allamakee county Iowa with his wife Anoinette or Antonetta (sp)
Our Father and Mother
Nils M. DOD Aug 6, 1893 50y 7m 1d
would make his Jan 5 1843 DOB perfect

Hansom (believe it was spelled HANSON- her parents were both born in NORWAY - she was born in Allamakee Co IOWA)
wife of Nils M. Redo DOB 8/30/53
DOD June 11, 1891 37y 9m 10d

So I think you have him on your search right?

Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

avipe — 2013-01-04 18:18:33Z

Hi again,

make sure to tripple check that you've got the right man or you will be following the wrong people. Let me know its not a match and I'll try to find the right one when you have more information about the man.

Anna

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

dirinella — 2013-01-04 16:32:22Z

wow, he was married to Antonette or Antonetta HANSON,(they married here)
their children were Joseph, Norman, Minnie , Otto, Clara and Eda.

I also saw a spelling of METTSSON does that make sense.

I do think he was single and came over alone, my guess.

Thanks for all this WOW
Diane

Re: Nils M Rido or REDO

avipe — 2013-01-04 16:15:28Z

Hi,

I found the following on the Swedish emigration DVD "EMIBAS"
I had 5 hits when searching for

First name: Nils
Last name: Mat
DOB: 1842-1845
Year of emigration: 186 (as you wrote 1865 in your first post)

Year of emigration for 4 or them was:
Nils Jacob Mathiasson, 11 MAR 1844 emigrated: 1869
Nils Mattisson, b. 24 OCT 1843 emigrated: 1867
Nils Mattsson, b. 2 APR 1845 emigrated 1861
Nils Mattsson, b. 6 JAN 1842 emigrated 1868
These 4 all looks like they were single and came over alone.

And then there is this family that came over, where the son is Nils Johan

Mats Matsson, b. 26 MAY 1820 in Hälleforst, Örebro län, Västmanland.
Johanna Jacobsdotter, b. 25 SEP 1821 in Hälleforst, Örebro län, Västmanland.

Their children:
Nils Johan, b. 19 JAN 1845 in Hälleforst, Örebro län, Västmanland.
Gustaf, b. 10 DEC 1848 in Hälleforst, Örebro län, Västmanland.
Carl Petter, b. 6 DEC 1851 in Hälleforst, Örebro län, Västmanland.
Johanna Carolina, b. 11 DEC 1857 in Ljusnarsberg, Örebro län, Västmanland.
Augusta, b. 6 JUN 1861 in Norrbärke, Kopparbergs län, Dalarna
Lovisa, b. 27 JAN 1865 in Ludvika, Kopparbergs län, Dalarna

The family emigrates 24 MAY 1865 from Klenshyttan, Kopparbergs län, Dalarna to the US.
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You could check if any of those children or the parents for that matter used the last name REDO or RIDO

Let me know what you think

Anna