Scottish Immigrants - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: john hannay

BrianMartin629 — 2013-03-15 22:14:24Z

Pauline,
I don't know if you already know this but John Hannah joined the Kings Own Scottish Borderers, Galloway Rifles on 18 Feb 1902 at Berwick on Tweed. His father's name is given as John Hannay, 54 College St, Maxwelltown.

It says "Discharged before termination of engagement 2 Aug 1902" He served in South Africa from 8 Mar 1902 to 31 Jul 1902, and was in the army a total of 174 days.

It gives full details of his appearance: height, eye-colour, distintive marks etc. His Regimental number for the K.O.S.B. was 8560

Brian

Re: john hannay

BrianMartin629 — 2013-03-15 20:09:59Z

On the 1901 Census....
54 College St, Troqueer, Dumfries.

John Halliday 47 Plasterer b Maxwelltown
Mary Jane 45 Wife England
Charlotte 26 Daughter Weaver Maxwelltown
Kennethina 22 Daughter Weaver Maxwelltown
John 19 Son Journeyman Plasterer b Maxwelltown
Alfred 15 Son Apprentice Plasterer b Maxwelltown
Albert 13 Son Scholar Maxwelltown
Bessie M 6 Dau Scholar Maxwelltown

When John arrived in Canada, was he a Plasterer? If he was then this must be the right family.

Brian.

Donald Sutherland originally from Golspie, Scotland

richard_michelle2010 — 2013-02-14 20:14:41Z

Hello,

I am looking for any information on Donald Sutherland who moved from Golspie, Scotland to Canada. He was born in 1822, son of James Sutherland and Catherine McKenzie, Brother of Margaret, George, Andrew, Janet and Catherine. I am unsure of the migration date or Province he migrated to so any information would be welcome. Thanks very much.

john hannay

paulinenairn — 2013-02-09 20:46:05Z

Inormation re John Hannay born Maxwelltown, Dumfries,Scotland. Emmigrated around 1907. Had a sister called Bessie Margaret. Parents were John And Mary Jane

George Fraser

sfraser9 — 2013-02-09 17:12:49Z

Hi,

I would welcome any help on trying to trace my ancestor George Fraser.Family belief is that he possibly emigrated to Canada pre first world war and may have fought in the Canadian Army. He was born in Glasgow, Scotland in 1888 and his parents were Thomas Fraser and Flora Sharpe.

Re: George FRASER - b 1888 Scotland

sfraser9 — 2013-02-08 21:58:41Z

Hi, George Fraser born 15th May 1888 in Glasgow, and he didn't have a middle name.

Re: George FRASER - b 1888 Scotland

sstanger1 — 2013-02-08 21:48:38Z

Hi, Did George FRASER born 1888 Scotland
son of Thomas FRASER and Flora SHARPE.
Have a Middle Name - A full date of birth.
That might help locate him

Search Soldiers of WW 1
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100....
There are a great many George FRASER -shown - shows birth date -

passenger lists

ShirleyHughsonMurphy — 2013-02-02 13:42:45Z

James Aitken Clark and wife Janet (b1890) approx are shown as departing for Canada 1890-1960 list.Born in mid lothian Scotland and possibly left with his parents too -Janet and Alexander. Can anyone check this info?

Thanks

Re: Isabella Gardner Shanks & Agnes Provan Shanks (Sisters) - Airdrie

F_Linning — 2012-10-11 14:13:15Z

Thanks for your help Brian, greatly appreciated. I'll check out your suggestion for the Salvation Army.

Re: Isabella Gardner Shanks & Agnes Provan Shanks (Sisters) - Airdrie

BrianMartin629 — 2012-10-10 21:50:57Z

Fiona,
Agnes Provan Shanks had her passage to Canada in 1923 paid for by the Salvation Army, and she seemed to be going to work as a Domestic with them in Toronto.

...Isabella was 20 when she made her voyage in 1926, and she seemed to have with her someone named Jean Watt [aged 18]. They had both come from the same address: 14 St Vincent Place, Glasgow, which I think would be a place of work rather than their home address. ...Isabella had come from Airdrie,[as you know] and Jean Watt's home address was 13 Loanhead Cres, Newarthill. They were both going to "Govt Hotel, Toronto." Both were domestics.

I couldn't find a marriage for either Isabella or Agnes. Maybe someone would tell you the best site for looking up marriages in Canada after 1923.

About Agnes... I was wondering if she was only working for the Salvation Army or if she was actually a Salvation Army Officer. The Salvation Army keep good records in London for anyone who was an officer with them, and helped me to find someone on my own tree who was missing for many years. ....It turned out she had been with the Salvation Army for over 30 years!

Brian

Re: Angus McLure and Annabell McKenzie to Brackley,PEI Can

magabaker — 2012-10-05 23:39:52Z

Hello, Go to the Island Register which has information on the people who lived on PEI. Go to the search engine and type in Mclure. It will give you the descendants of Angus McLure and Annabelle McKenzie.
Margie

Re: Scottish Immigration 1820-1850

mamavautour — 2012-09-01 17:33:05Z

I haven't tried searching anyone this way but - I read just a couple of months ago that the postmaster in all the small towns in Scotland had a list of every person in town as of January 1st each year. I can't remember if that included children or not. Even if he was an adult when he migrated his parents were probably with him. If you know their names maybe you could look them up.

Unfortunately, I can't find the instructions on just how to go about researching via these postmasters' records. I'm pretty sure I have it saved in some info file somewhere. {sigh}

Isabella Gardner Shanks & Agnes Provan Shanks (Sisters) - Airdrie

F_Linning — 2012-08-27 11:40:15Z

I'm trying to find some info on my Gt Grand Aunt - Isabella Gardner Shanks b. 10/10/1905 at 196 Forrest Street, Airdrie, New Monkland, Scotland - Parents Thomas Shanks and Isabella Gardner. I found that she emigrated to Quebec, Canada on 14/08/1926 onboard "Letitia". My dad can vaguely remember that his aunt possibly married someone by the name of Nichol/Nichols/Nicholson, but I'm unsure of how to find this out or if this was her sister Agnes Provan Shanks b. 1896 in Airdrie as she also emigrated to Quebec, Canada on 14/08/1923 onboard "Marloch". Any help on both sisters would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Fiona

Thompson Twins from Scotland to Canada

georgiekennedy1 — 2012-07-22 02:56:22Z

This information is so sketchy it is embarrassing, but it is all we have due to secrets kept for many many decades. I am trying to find a couple who came to Canada from Scotland or England in 1881 with a three year old daughter named Emily/ Emma/ Viola /Ruth who was possibly a twin to Harriet. The last name could be Thom(p)son. They came to the London/ St Thomas area. Any help would be appreciated.

Scotish immigration via Canada circa 1886

VGLEPPING1 — 2012-07-08 15:03:59Z

Wonder if there are any sites offering immigration info on passengers departing Glasgow and arrv in Montreal, Canada circa 1886. My Elliott/ Watson ancestors did this and then took train via Port Huron and finally down into Nebraska.
This occurred before the Border Crossing info was available detailing crossings from Canada to US.
If anyone has some insight into this I'd appreciate hearing from you.
Txs!

William Hugh John Cameron

bernardchapman139 — 2012-07-06 13:39:27Z

Looking for information on William Hugh John Cameron, born Innes Street, Inverness, Scotland on 4th August 1922. Parents William Neil & Katherine.
William HJ believed to have moved to Canada circa 1940-1965.

Re: searching for relatives of brother(s) of

mary30kelly — 2012-07-01 01:05:36Z

he is the brother of my grandfather john mcclure was born in maryhill glasgow

A Dictionary of Scottish Immigrant to Canada before Confederation

shona2003 — 2012-06-23 13:24:25Z

Hi - I am wondering if someone could look up Volume one pg 144 for Jaffray please - I see someone else has asked for a look up of this book so may be we both could get lucky:)
thank you

Angus McLure and Annabell McKenzie to Brackley,PEI Can

rdmclure — 2012-06-10 01:06:58Z

ca. 1792 from Inverness-shire, Scotland to PEI, Canada.

Any information or advice would be appreciated
Thanks
Rod

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

oking74 — 2012-05-17 22:14:06Z

message me to owenking@hotmail.ca

I am not subscribing right now but will again soon.

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

jlfisher135 — 2012-05-17 22:07:48Z

Send me a personal message with an e-mail. Cheers,

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

oking74 — 2012-05-17 22:05:07Z

does anyone have a digital copy of James MacKinnon's book? I would love to read it.

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

jlfisher135 — 2012-05-17 21:31:14Z

I'm on a quest to figure out the family relationships between the Lady Cathcart Settlers. It's a long & winding road & I'm only part way through the 1883 group.

I have a daily journal of the 1883 trip from the Outer Hebrides, the 1922 "A Short History of the Pioneer Scotch Settlers of St. Andrews, Sask" by James N. MacKinnon (mentioned earlier in this thread), the 1983 History of St.Andrews & St. Paul's (which follows a similar format as the 1922 book but with more info on what happened to the families in Canada), etc.

Of course, Angus, who responded earlier in this thread is the real expert on this group of people before they came to Canada & the first generation after that. I'm pleased to help & share as best I can too.

Cheers, Jan

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

oking74 — 2012-05-17 19:50:24Z

always looking for more info. please message me with what you have! Thanks.

Re: Lady Cathcart Settlers Scotland->Canada 1882 & 1884

jlfisher135 — 2012-05-17 19:28:51Z

Hi. Are you still looking for info on this family? I'm researching Lady Cathcart settlers as well and have some resources to draw on.

Cheers, Jan

Donald Whyte's A dictionary of Scottish Immigrants to Canada

JudiJensen51 — 2012-05-15 17:08:27Z

Would anyone be able to do a look up for me in this book? From information that I have my ggg grandfather John McGlashen is listed in volume 1, page 229. I have very little info on him and would love to know what info this book may have.
Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.

Judi

T.S. McCLURE

mary30kelly — 2012-05-12 00:12:16Z

I am looking for T.S.McClure her grandfather was James Fletcher McClure who was born in Maryhill Glasgow 1898. and emmigrated to canada

Re: Aitken family of Scotland to Manitoba - Need info please

Pooziej — 2012-04-20 11:30:30Z

He married Martha Nichol b. 1886 in Antrim, Ireland.

In 1909 they were in Lowell,Middlesex, Mass. and they had a son James born. 1/24/1909. They ended up in Winnipeg, Canada.

I don't know if any other family members came with them or not. William had several brothers: James b. 1887, John b. 1889, David b. 1891, Robert b. 1893, Alexander b. 1895 & a sister Margaret b. 1898.
Any information on their immigration would be greatly appreciated.

Aitken family of Scotland to Manitoba - Need info please

Pooziej — 2012-04-20 11:26:05Z

I would like to know when William Samuel Aitken (Aiken) came from Dunbarton Scotland. He was born 1/9/1882 and was found in the Scottish census in 1901.

He married Martha Nichol b.
In 1909 they were in Middlesex

Dennis Flansbury born abt 1807 Scotland

FrenchyCal — 2012-04-11 05:56:05Z

I am seeking information as to where my gr-grandfather Dennis was born in Scotland. Possibly Gloson Mill, Scotland. He married Julia Ann Levan/Lavan/Lavergne in 1838 in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. I found Dennis and Julia and six children listed on 1851 Canada East Quebec Census. He died at age 63 in 1870 in Maniwaki, Quebec, Canada.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Boyd/Essery in Canada 1840's also travel routes

jerrilyn273 — 2012-03-05 04:54:33Z

Looking for help finding out how and when my ggggrandparents came into Canada.He was William Essery born @1818 in Engand she was Mary Boyd born Sept.1820 in glascow,Lanark Scotland to Robert Boyd and Jeanette Anderson.I thought they came into and were married in N.Y.but just found out they were married in the Anglican Trinity Memorial Chapel in Montreal, Quebec on July 13,1846. Can Any one stear me to where I can find out how and when they each came into Canada and how when they went into U.S.A.I think they lived awhile in Mass. because I found a girl,Jennette Essery born 1848 to a William Essery and Christened Sept.16,1848 in Newton,Middlesex,Mass. and Died March 9 1850 in Brooklyn N.Y.
Where there common travel routes people took? Can anyone tell me ports of entry I can look into or give me any clues to use in my search?
Any hints on how I can find out occupation on Mary Boyd's parents and living conditions around the time of her birth in Glascow? will appreciate any help!

James Logan Baillie

D_Lamirand — 2012-02-05 02:57:43Z

My Father was born March 30/1886 Stanraer Wigtownshire Scotland.Arrived in Canada January 1916 in Montreal,Quebec, Canada by ship.Served in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces then settled in British Columbia Canada. where he passed away in Feb/1944.Any information would be wonderful.
Thank you.

Re: coutts in Canada

selhebrides — 2012-01-08 17:54:11Z

Hi Brian

I dont think this is my James on the 1916 census, he did have a brother William but he died as an infant.
I did have some luck today and found him coming home for a visit in May 1947. It looks although he was living in Halifax and was a janitor. James had a middle name of Dryden
I also forgot that there was another brother who also went out to Canada.
John Watson Coutts born August 1897 in Angus. Sailed on vessel Cassandra in 1920 with his brothers George and David they evenutally returned to Scotland but John stayed.
Sandra

Re: coutts in Canada

selhebrides — 2012-01-04 20:22:57Z

Hi Brian

You have certainly been a big help, I started to look at Robert, I had a note that I thought he had married someone called Margaret and that you had the right person on the census.
I have now found my Roberts family in Canada and have contacted them.
a great result.
I will let you know if your theories on Elizabeth and John are right
Sandra

Re: coutts in Canada

BrianMartin629 — 2012-01-03 22:20:35Z

I don't think that last Elizabeth Coutts is her, so I wouldn't waste time on it. ....I had a look at the Canadian census though, and I may or may not have stumbled upon some information.

1916 census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan & Alberta.
Robert Coutts, aged 30, born Scotland. Married to Margaret Coutts with a newly born son, Daniel. Living at 15, MacKenzie, Saskatchewan. Address: 35,30,W7, Livingston. (Probably married only a year or two)

Also 1916, same area...James Coutts, aged 25, born 1891 Scotland. Living at 09, Last Mountain, Saskatchewan.
Address: 24,2,W3, Huron 223. ....He is the brother of the head of the house, who is William Coutts, aged 34 who is married to Elizabeth Coutts aged 30. William & Elizabeth have a child William, aged 1. This place is just north of the South Saskatchewan River.

Finally, there is a 1911 census of Canada, with an Elizabeth Coutes on it. The original has some very poor writing on it, and when I looked, I thought it looked more like COUTTS than Coutes as transcribed. She is 23, born Mar 1888 Scotland, and had immigrated 1911. She is living at the Province of Saskatchewan, District of Saskatoon. District number 216, Sub-district Broadrick and Glenside Villages. She is a lodger with a George and Mary Black, and a James Cratty.

Does any of the above information ring true?

Brian, Glasgow, Scotland.

Re: coutts in Canada

selhebrides — 2012-01-03 17:41:50Z

Hi Brian

I did notice that Elizabeth Coutts but I dont think this was her as her maiden name was Coutts although her married name maybe Coutts. I will have to follow this up and see if I can find a marriage certificate or a birth certificate for the child
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply
Sandra

Re: coutts in Canada

BrianMartin629 — 2012-01-03 17:00:39Z

Regarding Elizabeth Coutts, there was someone of that name departed Liverpool on 26 Aug 1909 on the TUNISIAN, heading for Montreal. With her was her husband Frederick Coutts, and a daughter Ethel. No age for the daughter. It simply says "Child".

Brian

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

BrianMartin629 — 2011-12-22 09:41:15Z

Rachel,
If someone was living in poverty in Glasgow in the 1920's, they would most likely be living in a tenement.
....I am not so sure about whether or not it would be a tenement in Bellshill though, and I can see that this would make a big difference to your story.

Try a google for "Old Photos of Bellshill, 1920's" and see if anything comes up.

There is a census for 1911, and a Nellie Gentles aged 5 is living at Bothwell district, which would take in Bellshill. .......John Gentles, her father is a Blacksmith at a Colliery, and his wife is Maggie. There are EIGHT children in the house, including Nellie. And it says that John Gentles & Maggie have been married 25 years, have had eleven children, of which 10 are still living.
Perhaps there were others put into care...? The address Nellie appears to be living at in 1911 is Ashley Gr....? [difficult to read it].

Brian
P.S. There is a site which is local to the area called The Lanarkshire Family History Society.
P.P.S. The address of the Salvation Army Headquarters in London is: The Salvation Army International Heritage Centre, House 14 William Booth College, Champion Park, London SE5 8BQ. ...If you are trying to contact them by email, then the google to use to explore their site is: House 14 William Booth College, London.

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

rachelselway — 2011-12-21 20:49:29Z

Thank you - I did contact them but haven't got round to sending off my fee.

If they travelled from Montreal, did they arrive in Toronto?
At the moment I've got her in a SA hostel in Ontario, but I am assuming that is in the city and then they got sent out to their placements.

All the best
Rachel

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

rachelselway — 2011-12-21 20:47:36Z

Thank you so much Brian,
Yes, that is my great grandfather Adam Scott.
I don't know how she would have got to Perth, from my understanding she continued housekeeping to earn money.
Adam was a sheep dealer and therefore used to travel/roam - I can only assume she met him at a market or something like that - again I really don't know anything about a sheep dealers life, only that he was away for long periods of time and I believe the Scotts were shepherds.
I did contact the Salvation Army in Canada and you have to pay a fee to do a search - so perhaps I will do that in the New Year, it would be nice to see if they have any records of her placements. And then again in Scotland, where she went to when she returned home - I know she didn't return to her family in Bellshill.
Do you know any good information sources for Scottish households so I can get an idea of what a humble home would be like. I need to portray my grandmother as a small child living at home, no food, no heat and being left on her own with her siblings for long periods of time.
I grew up in England in a typical counsel house - kitchen, dining room, lounge, 3 bedrooms and a bathroom upstairs.
I wonder what the typical house would be for someone on a relatively low income. Would it be a 2up 2down?
I'll probably visit my grandmother in Fort William in the Autumn next year and do some research when I'm there.
Thank you so much for all your help.
Rachel

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

rachelselway — 2011-12-21 20:47:36Z

Re: Immigration to Canada from Scotland

andreamckenney1965 — 2011-12-21 12:57:32Z

Library and Archives Canada has some immigration records

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

andreamckenney1965 — 2011-12-21 12:56:32Z

I was also researching a relative who came from Scotland in the same time period, and found this

http://www.salvationarmy.ca/contact/

if you email them, they can help you, there may be a fee to have an archives search

the travel at that time was usually by train from Montreal
good luck

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

BrianMartin629 — 2011-12-21 10:12:21Z

Hi,
Nellie Gentles arrived Glasgow on the METAGAMA on 22nd July 1925. She had come from Quebec, and her age is down as 22. With her was an infant named Gwendoline, aged 7 months. The address they were going to was:
Staff Captain Spicer, 102 Hope St, Glasgow. The page is headed DEPORTS.
..........................................................
She had left Glasgow for Montreal on 5th Oct 1923.
The ship was the "MARLOCH" and her last known address in Scotland is given as Sykeshead Place, Bellshill [which is
in Lanarkshire, east of Glasgow]. She was said to be 18, and a Domestic.
...........................................................
....I noticed the marriage of a Nellie Goodwin Gentles to an Adam Scott at Perth in 1926 ... I don't suppose it is her though, because Perth is a long way north of Glasgow.
............................................................
The Salvation Army was very active in Scotland at the time, and I had a relative who went missing around 1900 - and I discovered that she had joined the Salvation Army and was at their training headquarters in London on the 1901 census.

I wrote to them about her, and they had first class records of her. I suggest that you try emailing or writing to them, asking about this Captain Spicer, who he was and giving the information about Nellie being sent to
Canada etc.

Brian
P.S. I assumed that the hotel at 102 Hope St was the Central hotel, right next to Central Station, but can't be certain where number 102 is in Hope St. The hotel is still there, recently refurbished. Try a google for it if you want to get an idea of it. It is right in the centre of Glasgow - but keep in mind that there may have been some other hotel in Hope Street in the twenties that I don't know about.

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

rachelselway — 2011-12-20 23:14:28Z

Yep, that's her.
Shameful I know.
I'm writing a book about her life - and trying to do the research so I can get the important bits right.
I'm trying to work out where she went in Ontario - what kind of home was she work in? A farm or a city home. And then when she returned to Scotland, why was she being sent into the care of a Captain? Was she still using the Salvation Army for help? I'm also taking the liberty of assuming that she immigrated with the Salvation Army on the Domestic Servant scheme which would be why she would return to them and assuming that 102 Hope Street was a women's hostel/shelter of some kind.
The history is, she married an older man once she returned to Scotland, poor guy, had 2 more children with him, another child although we don't believe it was his and then was neglecting her children so they were taken away from her and put into a home so we don't know a lot about her early history because my grandmother grew up in a home - so the only way I can find out these facts is by trying to research them myself and I grew up in England so don't know a lot about the history of the time or the area of Glasgow.
If you have any tidbits you can throw my way I would really appreciate it.
Thank you so much for replying.

all the best
Rachel

Re: Gentles, Salvation Army and Scottish Domestic Servants to Canada

BrianMartin629 — 2011-12-20 19:08:00Z

Hi,
Was her name Nellie Gentles? Someone of this name, aged 22, was deported from Canada with a baby aged 7 months in 1925. Her destination was 102 Hope St, Glasgow - and I know for a fact that the Grand Central Hotel stands at the corner of Gordon Street and Hope St. She was being sent into the care of Staff Captain Spicer. She was a Domestic servant.

It isn't her, is it?

Brian, Glasgow.

Immigration to Canada from Scotland

varcsix — 2011-11-27 17:06:49Z

I'm trying to learn researching for Canadian ancestors.

Are there sites on-line to track immigration to Canada from Scotland or England?

I've used the Ellis Island sites for USA.

Thank you.
Virginia Crilley

Re: SS Ottawa arrived 1898 in Montreal

trowelanderror — 2011-11-25 00:07:56Z

Thanks very much for trying! What you sent earlier was very helpful.

Re: SS Ottawa arrived 1898 in Montreal

BrianMartin629 — 2011-11-24 17:34:39Z

No luck. My laptop doesn't send the ships passenger list because it uses too many megabytes due to the colour on the page. I tried converting it to black and white, but that didn't work either. ...If you can try a google for Ships passenger lists, UK to Canada, 1890 to 1960,
there might be a few options open to you. Problem is there is usually a charge. Sorry I couldn't get it to you....
Brian

Re: SS Ottawa arrived 1898 in Montreal

BrianMartin629 — 2011-11-24 17:14:49Z

Hi,
Descriptions of the two OTTAWA ships are on The Ships List. I was trying to point out that neither of these two were operating as the Ottawa in 1898. One sunk, the other changed its name. The LAKE ONTARIO is on Find My Past site. I am attaching a print-out version here,
and will follow up with the original. Reason for this is that I think the original is so faint that you will be unable to read it,
Brian