Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
I have spent many hours in the parish records of St. Andre in Mirebeau. I have saved copies of images of the baptism records of what I believe are all of the children of Jacques Challeau and Gabrielle Boutin. I did scrutinize those letters in her family name. And although they did not consistently cross the T in BOUTIN, it is quite clearly the name. I can see when viewing a single record such as that, it does somewhat resemble an S. In that particular image (which I just now reviewed prior to writing this), I believe the horizontal line extending from the center right of the letter in question (S or T), and extending to the top of the I (next letter), may be a lazy or fast writing be the author. I looked through various other of their children's baptismal records, and some of them had clearly crossed T's. The husband was always JACQUES CHALLEAU BOULANGER (the "BOULANGER" referring to his occupation as a baker/breadmaker). This was very consistent across all of the records. I also found her parents, and the father was listed as BOUTIN as well.
One technique I employ is sort of statistics. I search for occurrences of the family name as confirmation. As I was looking for the illedged BONIVET/BANIVET/etc., I found that there was no one else with that family name, leading me to suspect perhaps there was a misinterpretation of the spelling. When I found the 1695 baptismal record of Jacques, that was the first hint. Then as I found there many other children, and the name was consistently spelled BOUTIN, that clinched it for me. Bother names were wrong in the Canadian records for what ever reason (or at least modern genealogists had interpreted them incorrectly).
I am still focusing on the 1600s and 1500s. I may have some rhetorical evidence of earlier origins of ancient royalty in the Challeau family at Chateau Challeau (near Fontainebleu castle). Still working on that. AND... my wife and I are planning a trip (hopefully) to Mirebeau, possibly next year, to experience in person this exciting connection we have found.
Please feel free to email me. I am at work and don't have access to my database (although I have a MS Word copy of the book I am writing (which includes those baptismal images).
As to your question, I have not done much in that area. We have mostly been focused on the archives in France (which I discovered available online for free).
Again, please feel free to email with any further questions. I'll be happy to share what I do have.
|
Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
Thank you for answering so quickly. Boutin is indeed a more common family name, at least nowadays, than Boussin or Bousin. Do you eaver consult Geaneanet?
|
Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
I have been on geneanet. I can't spend nearly as much time as I'd like. It was very exciting to get this breakthrough. I feel like I found something no other modern researcher has found (definitively). I'll see what I need to do to send you an email address. Some detailed research discussion would be better in email.
|
Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
Hi Helene, I know I am extremely slow at such replies. But unfortunately, life is very busy these days. I do have in my database that Jacques Chaloux (Challeau) was married to Marie Marguerite Larue-Desplaines. I don't have a reference listed. I have marriage date of March 31, 1761, date of birth for Jacques as Feb 20, 1736/37; and place of marriage of St-Ours, Richelieu, QC, Canada. I'm not sure if this is enough confirmation for you or not. I'd have to do some more looking to figure out where the data came from. A lot of the Canadian data has been from other people's databases. My main original research has been in putting together the details about the older history in France.
|
Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
Hi again, Genealogy is certainly a long and slow process! I downloaded the digital copy of the marriage certificate of Jacques Chalou (as it is spelled on the certificate)and Marie Marguerite Larue, in St-Ours, on March 31, 1761. The certificate states that both spouses belong to the St-Ours Parish but does not mention the names of their parents as in most marriage certificates. Thérèse Leclaire is named as witness and mother of the bride. The 3 other witnesses are François Lusignan, father and son, and Cautraine (not sure of spelling) Benoist. Althouh our family's Chalou genealogy by Joseph Drouin gives Pierre Chaloux and Marie Boisdoré as Jacques Chalou's parents, Jean-Marie Chaloux s.s.s, a cousin of my mother who further the genealogical research inthe 60's, said in a letter thatJacques Chalou's parents were actually Jacques Chaloux and Félicité Berthiaume. It does seem more likely as I have yet found no record of a a son Jacques born to Pierre Chaloux and Marie Boisdoré whose family seemed to have remained in Quebec City.
There is a Pierre Jacques Chaliou born on February 19, 1737, in Ste-Anne-de-la-Pérade, to Jacques Chaliou and Félicité Berthiaume.
So t this point I am working with this ascendance.
|
Re: Objet : Re: NEW BREAKTHROUGH ON CHALOUX'S FROM FRANCE
One of the difficulties is that the records in old Quebec are not very good. A lot are missing, and there wasn't much government recording at the time. This became pretty clear to me when I started researching in 1600's France, and found the records so much nicer (well, they're still kind of a nightmare in their own right). But relatively quite a bit more complete. For the life of me, I can't remember where I got the record info about your questioned connection below. I'll keep looking though.
|
the francis and aurela wolfe you refer to are my great great grandparents. he fought in the civil war.they had 6 or 7 sons-adolphus was my great grandfather-his daughter mabel-my grandmother and my mom, margaret, daughter to mabel.
|
Fiche de mariage BMS2000 v.18 ID : 341488 Cote : 9 Responsable : LAUR Rôle Nom Prénom Feu(e) Époux CHALOUX Jacques Père Chaloux Jacques Mère Fauteux M-Anne Ex-conjointe - - Épouse PIMPARÉ M-Claire Père Pimparé Joseph Mère Fournier M-Claire Ex-conjoint - - Paroisse Localité Comté Province Pays St-Eustache St-Eustache Deux-Montagnes QC Canada Date Notes 1809-10-16 -
|
Mariage: Le 12 novembre 1736 à Sainte-Anne-De-La-Perade Municipalité/District: Sainte-Anne-De-La-Perade/Francheville, Qc Jacques Chalion-Chateau Fils de [ Jacques Chalion-Chateau & Gabriel Bonnivet ] et Felicite Berthiaume Fille de [ Pierre Berthiaume & Catherine Fauteux ] Mariage des enfants dans cette région: Mariage enfants 1760-07-07 Yamachiche Marie F Antoine Subercas 1762-11-22 Yamachiche Marie-Anne F Paul Toutant
Fiche de mariage BMS2000 v.18 ID : 341488 Cote : 9 Responsable : LAUR Rôle Nom Prénom Feu(e) Époux CHALOUX Jacques Père Chaloux Jacques Mère Fauteux M-Anne Ex-conjointe - - Épouse PIMPARÉ M-Claire Père Pimparé Joseph Mère Fournier M-Claire Ex-conjoint - - Paroisse Localité Comté Province Pays St-Eustache St-Eustache Deux-Montagnes QC Canada Date Notes 1809-10-16
|
Somehow, I don't recall seeing/replying to your message above, and since it is a couple of years old, am hoping you are still on ancestry to reply. So we are relatives! Do you have any photos of Francis and Aurela or any other information you can share with me? - Judy Marshall, Fairport, New York, mohawk.marshall@gmail.com
|