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Scottish DNA Tests

Posted: 13 Feb 2002 12:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear All:

There is an emerging interest in looking at the
possibility of a Project to evaluate the use
of DNA markers for ancestry studies in
the Scottish Clans and Septs. There are already
several Scottish Studies underway and several more
are forming. Their initial results are interesting.

The Scottish clans are very unique in that the
Clans have been identified and family relationships
tracked for hundreds of years. Some Clan family
have documented histories stretching back to
before 1000 AD ( and some back to 500AD) .

So this leads to some interesting possibilities
of identifying current clan family members and
determining if the Scottish ancestry line can
be identified. Some have cautioned: be careful
because you may find out that you are not who
you think you are :-). Non-paternity events
were as frequent then as they are now.

There is also an interesting mailing list here on
Rootsweb : Genealogy-DNA-L@rootsweb.com.

It turns out that A couple of factors make this
a very interesting study for the Clans to be
involved in.

A: The mtDNA passes down the mother to daughter
line. ( All of her children receive the MtDna
but only the daugher passes it on.) So all the
current children can provide mtDNA. The matriarch
of the family becomes clearly identified and her
ancestry traceable. Scottish history is one of the few in
the world where female lineage was often documented.
Iceland is another. Note that non paternity events
don't occur very often in this DNA since obviously
the mother knows her daughter is her offspring.

B: The Y DNA passes only from father to son. Then the
tests can see if there is a line of potential coordination
between the written documentation and the Y DNA
markers.

C: The Most Recent Common Ancestor ( MRCA) should
also give some interesting insights into the common
ancestor lines that they may share.

There are some other fine points of the DNA identification
and you can find out a lot more in the archives of the
mailing list.

Anybody that is really interested in participating
should please reply to me at the email address below
or reply to this message post.
Then just list only your interest, surname , contact info
and potential Clan association. I don't want to
clog up the archives with a lot of "me too" emails
and board posts. :-) Any comments or questions are
appropriate to post.

Someone will then contact you for further details and
how to proceed. Please note there will probably be
cost of some amount for the DNA test. I don't know
what that amount is for the test, but it is probably about
$250. My initial survey indicates that we will want
the 23 marker DNA test to get some definitive answers.
I expect to get more details next week.

We are also interested in obtaining Volunteers to
assist on the Project committee
in the various aspects of this massive project. We need
someone to select and co-ordinate the Labs, handle
the Project co-ordination with each Clan etc. The role
of Project Manager is also needed desperately.

Please feel free to pass this message along to other
mailing lists and boards that may have a high per centage
of Scottish Clan or Sept descendants.

Should be an interesting database over the months and
years :-)

Best Regards
John A Hansen
jahansen@qwest.net
Clan Board and List Admin

Re: Scottish DNA Tests

Andrew Begg (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2002 11:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Aug 2006 6:32PM GMT
Surnames: Begg, Drummond ,Pagan, Matthie
John Hansen
I would be interested in getting invilved in this DNA research and helping if I can. Residence in Australia.
My primary area of interest is the town of Douglas in Lanarkshire.
The surname is Begg - Clan Drummond
Other names on the maternal side are Pagan, Orr, Campbell and Matthie
Regards
Andrew Begg

Re: Scottish DNA Tests

Posted: 4 Mar 2002 4:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Aug 2006 6:33PM GMT
Surnames: Macauley
My mother's name was Macauley. And I am interested in this project.
Thanks Mary McCrae Burrows

Re: Scottish DNA Tests

Gloria Hoehn (View posts)
Posted: 6 Sep 2002 5:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Aug 2006 6:34PM GMT
Surnames: Whiteside
John,

What percentage of Scottish does one have to be to take the testing? My father's paternal side is Whiteside.

Gloria

Re: Scottish DNA Tests

Posted: 23 Oct 2004 2:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Oct 2005 11:42AM GMT
John,

What Haplogroup do we need to belong to in order to participate, I have a 25 marker test and belong to Haplogroup I or I1a. Does this Haplogroup cover Scotland and the Scandinavian countries? Although my surname is English, the Haplogroup does not indicate English ancestry, most of the others with my surname are R1b (correct me if I am wrong).

Jim Lovelace

Re: Scottish DNA Tests

Posted: 23 Oct 2004 3:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Aug 2005 4:14PM GMT

Dear Jim:

Yes, it does cover Scotland ( most of the UK)
for that matter. There is only a very loose
correlation between the Haplogroup and the
location. There is lots of work going on to
try and tighten up the correlation, but I think
that is many many years away.

You can click on the link below to begin the
process for your DNA test.

www.familytreedna.com. Our project is under the
geographic projects > S

Please look carefully at the various tests that are
available. We are, in general, recommending the
25 or the new 37 marker test in order to establish
any meaningful results. The 12 marker test can
provide some initial indications of a negative or
non - connection, but is usually too general to
indicate any positive relationships. However, You
are welcome to send in a 12 marker test for
comparison. There is also a mtDNA results coming
in but it is still early in that process.

There is also a Scottish DNA mailing list and Web site
that you can join. Both of these are free
of course, and also provide status reports
and sharing of information of the various
DNA results. You would join the mailing list in
the normal way by sending an email to

SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com
<mailto:SCOT-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com>
with the one word
Subscribe
in the body of the message. There is also a wealth
of info available in this mailing list archives at
www.rootsweb.com <http://www.rootsweb.com>;

The web site is available by sending a email to
Charlotte Broun at: cbroun@primus.com.au
<mailto:cbroun@primus.com.au>
or to DNACLANS@brigadoon.net

You may already have DNA results, or once
you get your results, and then want to share in the
database. You would then merely forward to
Marsha at the email address :
rms54549@tca.net <mailto:rms54549@tca.net>
She will translate those results into the format that
is used in the database.

We would also appreciate it very much if you
would let other Scottish Descendants and Clan
members know of our group.

Thanks again for joining and sharing.

Best Regards
John A Hansen
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