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Re: Tribes "R" Us

JoanBryant1234 — 2013-06-16 18:15:47Z

As an old lady I know just how you feel. I have been at this family history search since 1974. Now I have decided that I will get my answers when I meet them in Heaven.

Re: Tribes "R" Us

moytoy1730 — 2013-06-14 20:20:47Z

Hi Kathy

Yes I'm aware there are actually many more than 200 (as if that wasn't enough LOL). Probably more like 350-500 range. With new ones poping up every day it would seem. Often with the same "chief" running 3, 4 or 5 of them all at the same time. Only Federally reccognized "Tribes" (3 Cherokee)have any legal legittimacy by the US Constitution.
There are 3 (at least) red flags anyone looking into these others (of any tribe) should be aware of.
1: Claims of "State reccognition". Reccognized as what? Most are 301-C-3 (not for profit) registered with their State. Just like any Bot Scout Troop, Church, Elks Lodge or charitable organization. Just because there is "Cherokee" or "Tribe" in the title doesn't make it so. Being a C-3 doesn't make them "State Reccognized" as an Indian entity of any type. Just as non-profit organization. Which is not to say the "Chief" as head/CEO can't be payed a sallery of lots of money. The US Constitution clerly vests the power to regulate "commerse" (which means ANY dealings with & includes reccognition) with Indian Tribes with the Federal Gov.
2: If there is "Incorperated" in the title. That means the chief operators (Corperate officers) can not be sued as individuals. For any fraudulent acctivities by the organization. A truely legal Tribal officer is protected by laws under "Soveriegn immunity" as is the Tribe it self.
3: If they charge a "fee" to become a member. Or ask for no doccumentation of claim to being Cherokee. "Granny said"
is no proof what so ever. If she said "the moon is made of green cheese" it wouldn't make it so either LOL

Then there is the claim of "fileing" for Federal Reccognition". Well anyone (organization)can "file". Which is nothing more than a letter of intent & asking for the paper work forms. They should be aware that the BIA has stated they will reject any "splinter" (independant) groups of reccognized tribes. Meaning reguardless of claims of having "filed". There will never be more than the 3 that are reccognized now.

As for "future generations" getting a good laugh? Well unfortunatly future generations may find these "membership" cards & think they actually mean something. Like now, people keep trying to use Dawes applications as means to legittamize their claims. When those applications were rejected. Or "I have a picture of Grandma in a buck skin dress" so she must have been an Indian. Oh yeah? I have a picture of me in a Confederate uniform. That doesn't proove I was in the Civil War ( I may LOOK that old but I assure you I'm not LOL).

Re: Tribes "R" Us

retselsinned — 2013-06-12 21:38:33Z

As an old man, my only real goal is to find out about me ancestors before it is all over.

Re: Trail of Tears - "Escaped From"

retselsinned — 2013-06-12 21:35:50Z

Thank you for letting me know about the problems with the Chickamauga Tribe. I will look elsewhere.

Tribes "R" Us

KathyRoberts54 — 2013-06-12 19:18:54Z

Moytoy

You are being generous........there's way, way more than 200 fake and fraudulent groups claiming to be Cherokee.

And not just confined to the US !
Thankfully, action IS being taken, and numerous of these groups, and individuals are being investigated.

How sad that so many people are so gullible, and willingly "buy" in to a heritage that they have not the slightest connection to, or any real knowledge of.

And what a sad legacy to leave for future generations.
Oh well, I guess, if nothing else, the descendants will get a good laugh out of it !

KR

Re: Mahala

retselsined — 2013-06-12 19:10:26Z

fI am sorry that people have been rude to you regarding Cherokee. The name Mahala is sometimes a Cherokee name but not always. It is a name loved by Cherokee and White people. I thank God for what I am too, which is both Cherokee and White. If I were something else, I would thank Him for being that,since He makes no mistakes when He makes us. When people are rude to you just recognize that they probably are not close enough to God to thank him for anything.

Re: Henderson Roll 1835 look up please

afirehawk1152 — 2013-06-12 14:12:16Z

looking for Alexander Prue Gilbreath, born around 1824.

Re: Trail of Tears - "Escaped From"

moytoy1730 — 2013-06-12 03:25:02Z

Well congratulations. You've succeeded in contacting one of the over 200 fantacy Cherokee "tribes". Just one more fraudulent group claiming to be "cherokee". I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms. With no proof what so ever of any Cherokee blood. That's what they do, feed your fantacy & you feed thiers. I'm sure you'll be very happy there.

Re: To anyone with Cherokee Descendants.

debstillhere1 — 2013-06-11 15:23:05Z

I have limited information on my family. I am a Standingwater and I would love to get more information. Anything is appreciated, Standingwater or Whitekiller.
thank you

Re: Trail of Tears - "Escaped From"

ld904 — 2013-06-09 19:33:41Z

The mystery of William Agee born in 1820 has now been solved. According to verbal family history he was once captured by federal forces and escaped. In 1838 he moved to Spring Hollow Missouri. I attended a meeting the Chickamauga Cherokee of Missouri on June 7. When I met Chief Kay, she asked for my Cherokee connections. I told her of William Agee who left Tennessee in 1838 and moved to Spring Hollow Missouri. She said that I was very likely Chickamauga. She said William Agee lived in Chickamauga territory. My history was the same as many of their histories. When I met with Chickamauga Warrior who spoke Cherokee, I asked if the name Ot (my grandmother's name) had particular meaning. He said it was a very common Cherokee name and that he ofter heard that name among Cherokee. I even had a family resemblance to some of those present. My plan now is to apply for membership in the tribe. My Experiment with trying to put together a Spring Hollow group is being dropped because there is already a tribe that includes the group I was trying to put together in order to get more information. There is no longer any need for it. I uncovered a plan to build a museum about the Indians in hiding in the Spring Hollow area. Artifacts have been found in that area. I am not yet at liberty to say who is doing it, but plan to have contact with him later.

My mission is accomplished so I will be leaving the forum now. I have a knack for stirring up controversy which I like to avoid in my old age. Now I just want to enjoy leaning more about my own group the Chickamauga.

Re: Epperson,Blankenship,Thompson,Sharbutt family Weogufka Coosa Alabama

notsew2 — 2013-06-05 01:29:32Z

HELLO,Was a Blankenship. Father Joseph Andrew
Blankenship Sr, my gf Perry Lee, ggf Henry Washington. Do you have any connections here. I know their family members but this is all. I sure hope you can help me here. Just about fell over when I read your email. Have heard of a connection w/ the Epperson's and of Indian connect some.

Hope you have good news for my line!! Appreciate you time.
Catherine

Re: Epperson,Blankenship,Thompson,Sharbutt family Weogufka Coosa Alabama

Otis_Fuller — 2013-06-02 18:38:41Z

I thought that Missouri was a Buffington (according to Howard White)?
Otis Fuller

Re: Epperson,Blankenship,Thompson,Sharbutt family Weogufka Coosa Alabama

Otis_Fuller — 2013-06-02 18:35:15Z

I am not doing any research, but here is some material from the Coosa Co., AL Historical Society, which may help you:
Otis Fuller

Re: Epperson,Blankenship,Thompson,Sharbutt family Weogufka Coosa Alabama

KathySmith3201 — 2013-06-02 00:22:55Z

Are you still conducting research? My great great great grandfather was John Bankenship that married Missouri Hand. I have heard that Missouri had Indian blood but have no one to ask. Can you help?

Re: Joseph Woodard

deweybjr — 2013-05-29 21:32:53Z

Hi, I am Dewey Woodard Jr, my Great grandfather was joseph, Jack died in the first battle he fought in in the civil war,
he is barried in the National cemetary in Kansas I have pictures of his headstone, he has a copy headstone in the cemetary in Tahlequah I also have pictures of that one as well, maybe we will see you at the family reunion in Tahlequah, my email is deweyaamf@yahoo.com hope this helps.

Re: finding background

irishprn1 — 2013-05-28 14:15:36Z

Lana,
I am doing research for a woman who is also related to Rebecka Reed Stradford. She is Rebecka's granddaughter. I have a date of death for Rebecka as Dec 1968 and she is laid to rest in the Rosebud Methodist Cemetery in Rosebud, Missouri.
Please email me at irishprn@yahoo.com if you want to work on this together.

Maureen

Re: Klaus Community Delaware Co Ok 1920 census

n19lga — 2013-05-25 23:08:27Z

Named after Robert H. KLAUS, a ferry operator. This per the Oklahoma Place Names.

Re: any1 know of a Plumer Indian tribe? HELP!

badboy159 — 2013-05-25 08:02:02Z

thanks for all your work becky, i have learned a lot from your posts :)

I am 8th generation from Elias Plummer Sanders~ Through his son Samuel B~

Re: Zora Brooks

_Nan_ — 2013-05-20 18:23:41Z

Karl,
Zora was married to Robert in the 1910 Census when she was 16. She was always listed as "white" and never listed otherwise. There is nothing listed as Cherokee.
Nan

Zora Brooks

klafamily — 2013-05-20 13:48:40Z

I am looking for information on Zora Brooks. She was born around 1894 and died around 1958. She married Robert E Farnell in either Alabama or Georgia. Family history says that Zora was a member of the Cherokee nation. I would love any information you can give on Zora, her husband, Robert Farnell, and "proof" of her ethnicity.

Thanks,
Kari Farnell

Re: Normans of Oklahoma/Tennessee

club30s — 2013-05-19 09:10:18Z

As in names?? Ok let's start with r.a Norman, a.c. Norman, George mcbride,Martha cling an. All of Cherokee blood (roll numbers etc)

Re: Normans of Oklahoma/Tennessee

_Nan_ — 2013-05-19 06:34:57Z

This board is for the "Cherokee" portion of your family. As you have not reported any of their Indian family, please do so. You will only get answers for the questions you post.

Normans of Oklahoma/Tennessee

club30s — 2013-05-19 04:53:11Z

I'm trying to trace back our ancestry. I believe I have it back to John Harvey Norman. Anyone with Norman information please contact me.

Re: KRIDER'S of Indian descent???

josephkrider — 2013-05-17 09:04:10Z

Thank you for your help.

Re: KRIDER'S of Indian descent???

dennis4279 — 2013-05-16 13:39:03Z

That area of PA was populated by 3 (IIRC) tribes of Indians. Prior to your John being born, the documented tribal members were relocated to the central states. Since he was born after the relocation, that will make it difficult to prove indian ancestry unless by chance one of John's ancestors were noted as indian on one of the earlier census. One other possible avenue would be to check for any of John's ancestors/relatives on the Dawes roll since the Delaware tribe was incorporated into the Cherokee Nation in about 1897.

Dennis

KRIDER'S of Indian descent???

josephkrider — 2013-05-15 17:36:48Z

Can someone help me?
I have trying to find any KRIDER'S from DELAWARE COUNTY, PENNA that are supposed to have Indian Blood.
I have a JOHN KRIDER b:1894 in PA. d: in Levittown,PA.
Any help would be Greatly Appreciated.
Thank you

Re: john and elizabeth shirley

lyelvert4424 — 2013-05-06 02:38:47Z

Please feel free to email me at lowell.yelverton@yahoo.com I could not find anything on Elizabeth & John Shirley other that 2 with the same name were parents of Belle Starr.
i have recently come upon this bit of information and find that going to findagrave.com and searching a name with actual or approximate dates and states does uncover a lot of info.Sholotie's grave marker says wife of Ned Gatling.Edward gatlin was also refered to as Ned but they mispelled her last name on the marker.
i am an easy-going type person and would love to correspond with you.I was born in Laurel Miss. and grew up in Mobile Alabama and in Warner Robins Georgia.I have resided in Ft.Lauderdale Florida since the late 70's.Any information however trivial is interesting to me.I have email address for the Chief of the Santee tribe in S.C. but they may have been fron N.C. as I believe some of your info states.Sholotie has always for whatever sentimental reason interested me.They fact that she had an Anglo name(Charlotte) and that her mother Elizabeth had also and looking at the Shirly famly page does not indicate Indian makes me believe that they were assimilated into the new Amerian culture.

Re: john and elizabeth shirley

monette47 — 2013-05-06 02:11:11Z

thank you. we are in the gatlin line, also. charlotte shirley married edward gatlin. i'm still stuck on finding anything on elizabeth. interesting about her height.

Re: john and elizabeth shirley

lyelvert4424 — 2013-05-05 07:59:08Z

Sholotie would have been my great great grandmother.My mother is from the Gatlins (Mississippi)I can't find anything on Elizabeth or John.Sholotie was buried in Wayne County ,Missippi near Shubuta(Sandhill Cemetary -which says is maintained by Evergreen Church) where my mother was born.I find evidence that Sholotie & Elizabeth were Shantee Indians.Some merged with catawba Indians who also merged with Cherokees.I was told Sholotie was 4'10".

Mary Ann Keyes

cindybear19 — 2013-05-02 22:00:40Z

My great great grandmother was Mary Ann Keyes. She was married to Dr. James Archer. Their son, Thomas Jefferson Archer, was my great grandfather. I am trying to find more information on Mary Ann. Thomas Jefferson Archer was born in 1861. She died not long after his birth because James remarried Mary Vann Steele, a widow. James and Mary Vann Steele both died in 1869. Looking for any information.

Re: History of the Cherokee People by Dr Emmett Starr

cal4del — 2013-05-02 18:31:49Z

Hello Diana,

Thank you for your reply to my post, however, I believe I was directing it to another post.

The name Robertson is often misspelled as Robinson, Roberson, etc., but I have been able to work around these typos.

It was very nice of you to reply to my post. Thank you!

Happy researching...

Re: Surname Robertson

dianapowels27 — 2013-05-02 17:51:03Z

My family surname is Roberts. I don't have a line of Robertson's. I also have Robinson. Maybe you mixed me up with someone else, but I'm sure happy for you that you found your parents and can go from there with your research!

Re: Surname Robertson

cal4del — 2013-05-02 16:43:45Z

Hello,

I came across your post regarding surname Robertson and was very glad to see the information regarding Watie Robertson. He was married to Susan Nave at one time and they had a daughter Minerva (my ggg-grandmother.

I have not been able to find his parents, but you listed them in your post. From what I have gathered, it appears he was married to a Diana also. Knowing is parents names will help me with my research. Thank you.

Re: Dr. James Archer

martikw — 2013-05-02 14:10:57Z

An 1870 map of the Arkansas River shows a house at Frozen Rock identified as "Dr. Archer". The main house built by William Shorey Coody was destroyed by fire in the early 1900s per Carolyn Thomas Foreman's article on Emma Coody Robinson in the Chronicles of Oklahoma.

I have not studied the Keyes family but know that is a prominent family in the Cherokee Nation.

Re: any information on my ancestors

iluvmidnite1967 — 2013-04-24 17:56:53Z

updating this, I have found that my family was not cherokee, we are part tuscarora and Yeopim Renape. and My gramma Eva was not irish, she was english. took years to learn but I have.

Re: Halfbreed

oscarannie — 2013-04-22 15:37:24Z

Isn't that interesting.

My Great Great Grandmother was Sarah Dougherty, daughter of James Dougherty. I think Sarah and Cynthia were sisters

Do you understand that Cornelius Dougherty and An nee wa kee Moytoy were the parents of James Dougherty, Sr?

If this is correct, then we are 3rd cousins-5 times removed to Sequoyah!!!!!!!!!!

I've only just begun, but really enjoying the hunt.

Re: Gambill, Cherokee

andrea_m_mckinnon — 2013-04-19 23:00:58Z

Just curious if you found out anything. My mother's maiden name is Gambill, and she is from AR. I have seen the names you mentioned in the post in other genology research some of my cousins have done. Today I was having a conversation about my Cherokee heritage, so I googled Gambill and Cherokee Nation, your post came up. I would love to find out if you ever found out anything more. I realize this post was a really long time ago, but I thought I would just take a shot at it.

Thanks,

Andrea

Re: Dr. James Archer

cindybear19 — 2013-04-17 01:05:26Z

I don't know. How interesting. My great grandfather, Jeff Archer died in his early thirties. My grandmother, Mabel Archer Curry never told us. Cindy Curry Feegle What do you know about Jeff's mother, Mary Ann Keyes, Key?

Re: Dr. James Archer

cindybear19 — 2013-04-17 00:43:31Z

Dr James Archer was my great great grandfather. We have he was married twice and his second wife was Mary Ann Keys, a Cherokee. Will you send me what you have.

Re: Dr. James Archer

martikw — 2013-04-16 22:52:23Z

Do you know if Dr Archer lived in the house built by William Shorey Coody around 1840?

Ken

Re: CORDERY, ARCHER, MOSLEY, DAVIS, MATOY, SONICOOIE, ROGERS

robertacook76 — 2013-04-15 21:52:21Z

This Nancy Angeline Cordery was not the daughter of Thomas and Susannah Cordery. She was their granddaughter. She was the daughter of Early Cordery (mother unknown). Early later had two other children by Charlotte Berryhill. Sarah Ann and David. If you check Emitt Starr's Cherokee History, you will notice Nancy Angeline, Sara Ann, and David all Listed as Early's children, however the * next to Angeline's name means that she is only a half sister of Sara and David.

Nancy "Running Hawk" Smith

alexandrialane — 2013-04-15 21:04:46Z

I am trying to find more information on my 4th great grandmother, Nancy "Running Hawk" Smith. Mostly where her native heritage comes from?
Here is the info that I have on her so far born 1804 either in South Carolina or Georgia, died in Texas in 1865 - Her husband was John Baker - Her parents were Andrew Jackson Smith and Nancy Payne. I was able to pull up some information on Nancy Payne, but wasn't able to find much on her father, Andrew Smith.

Re: Cherokee Grandmothers

Kellyedelman — 2013-04-07 20:50:42Z

Can you tell me if you have tree on ancestry.I think this maybe part of my lineage

coles/loving?

aleviyah — 2013-04-07 08:51:07Z

looking for dan and sallie coles (maiden name loving). Known children enice 1902, jean, laura. known residence danville, va. Family has lineage to cherokee indians. have cherokee family still in the smoky mountains.

Re: Joe W Keener

Joyce_Reece — 2013-03-22 22:38:46Z

I do not believe this is the SAME Joseph Keener as you are writing about but is, most likely, his ancestor or in the family of his ancestor. Rev. Ulrich Keener first arrived in the south to reside in the Watauga settlements. Both he and Rev. Galloway were instrumental in the Baptist Missions to the Cherokee in western North Carolina. I was trying to give you places to look further into your ancestry if wanted to.

Re: Cabbin Smith

Joyce_Reece — 2013-03-22 22:28:15Z

Cabbin Smith sold his Reservation to Gideon Morgan. It is the first deed we have recorded in Monroe Count, TN deeds and it is online at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmonroe

He moved into north Georgia after leaving Monroe Co then emigrated west.

Re: "Cherokee" names

_Nan_ — 2013-03-17 07:19:17Z

Not only are you posting to a message that is seven years old, you are also bringing up subjects that have absolutely nothing to do with Cherokees or Indians.
Cheekbones and eyebrows?...are simply inherited from your ancestors.
Red meat and screaming? These, on the other hand, are psychological problems.
There are genealogical and family history boards and not created to answer those types of questions.

Re: "Cherokee" names

pagecathren — 2013-03-16 17:51:41Z

Gosh, I think we all just want to sort the facts out, and I wish that we could come together to heal a historical wound instead of taking shots at one another over discrepancies. More than a hundred years, something awful happened to all of our ancestors. Many of them were driven to one area. Others fled, hid, or died. Their history and the archive of their names was recorded by their oppressors, many of whom had a long pattern of reneging and lying. Even within the tribe at that time, there was division and strife. Heck, it's hard enough to figure out just what happened yesterday when you hear two different sides of a story.

We're all trying to piece together long past information that occurred during a time of trauma. Whatever is written on a piece of paper somewhere--we are all affected. Even if we may have lost our roots, we have our unique medical issues and food needs and our unique predispositions and vulnerabilities. We're just trying to answer the questions of our today---like why do I feel better when I eat red meat? If someone walks into the room when my father is sleeping, he wakes up screaming. So do I. Where did we get that from? Where did we get our beautiful cheekbones and dark eyebrows? What is the key from yesterday that can help us understand today?

We don't want to take anything away from anyone. We just want to know how we came to be who we we are.

We are not one another's enemies. The enemy was Andrew Jackson and his lawless cabal. The enemy is anyone who lives by that today.

Re: Help

_Nan_ — 2013-03-15 20:45:14Z

To research any ancestry always start with yourself and work backwards through your parents, grandparents, etc. acquiring the necessary documents...birth, death, marriage, etc...that will contain the answers to your questions.
One of the very first things you should do is "disregard" all family stories regarding Indian, royalty, etc. until you have found at least a clue that you can follow through on.
You said that your grandmother's grandmother was born in Oklahoma, then you stated where both of them were born...WV and IL...neither of which is OK. All of them were born long after the Trail of Tears.
Deborah Shay Trickett is listed as "white" on her death certificate in WV.
As far as the "amount" of Indian blood, as Kathy always says, that is a white/european concept...not Indian. Another concept to disregard.

Help

sodell8411 — 2013-03-15 18:05:58Z

Grandmother Jessie Colt Odell told me she did not know how much indian blood that she had because her grandmother would never admit to how much.Grandma said that her grandmother was raised on the reservation in Oklahoma.
1. Could any of you kind researchers give me some idea on how I go about researching this?
2. Were the Cherokee the only tribe that traveled the trail of tears?
One of Jessie's grandmothers was born in West Virginia and her name was Deborah Jane Shay 1851-1873.
I can furnish the next generation back if that would be of any help.
I don't believe that Grandmother Margaret Ann Sellers is the one. She was born in 1844 in Illinois.
Any help on my search would be greatly appreciated as I have no idea what I am doing.
Thank you.