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Re: Leaving Family Chargeable

sciencegeek — 2013-03-23 21:51:34Z

Ah, that would make sense. Thanks very much :)

Re: Leaving Family Chargeable

mi2early — 2013-03-23 18:49:40Z

It appears to mean abandoning his family, leaving the family to be supported by the parish. Found this via Google Books in "Summary convictions and orders" by George Colwell Oke.

Leaving Family Chargeable

sciencegeek — 2013-03-23 17:33:04Z

My ancestor Isaac Hallett appears to have gone to Dorchester prison 4 times for "Leaving Family Chargeable", does anyone know what that means?

Thanks,

Jack

Re: Transportation

lesleyhoward207 — 2013-03-20 16:36:31Z

Thank you. You have been very helpful. Yes i have been on find my past.

Re: Transportation

lesleyhoward207 — 2013-03-20 16:36:02Z

Thank you. You have been very helpful. Yes i have been on find my past.

Re: Transportation

oulselhul — 2013-03-20 13:40:27Z

Although they were prisoners ,they were still permitted to marry.I came across this a while back .Wonder if Findyourpass will have more info on his criminal past.

SC

Edit-http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irishances...
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http://landing.ancestry.co.uk/intl/au/convict/

Re: Transportation

lesleyhoward207 — 2013-03-18 17:45:15Z

thank you.

Re: Transportation

oulselhul — 2013-03-18 11:26:11Z

Just a History of Transportation.

http://archive.org/details/lectureonevilsof00ashtrich

oulselhul

Earl Raymond SITES in the Ohio State Penitentiary in the 1930's

alexandercoebay — 2013-01-29 18:01:06Z

Hello, I need help looking this man up. I have a lot of information but can't find anything. The mans name is Earl Raymond Sites. He was in the Ohio State Penitentiary in the 1930's and was going to be elevtrocuted in January 12, 1931 for 1st degree murder. His prisoner number is or was at one time 62505. He was arrested on September 27, 1930. He was born and raised in Ohio. He was age 27 at this time. Please help me. I would like to know what he did if possible and learn anything about him. I guess he was a family friend.

Re: Need help looking 1930 prisoner up!

alexandercoebay — 2013-01-29 16:39:05Z

You can email me at alexandercoebay@gmail.com with any information or post it here. Thank you so much!

Re: Transportation

mi2early — 2013-01-02 14:02:05Z

Someone might be able to help if you add some additional information, such as where your ancestor lived at the time of the crime and who and where he married.

Re: Transportation

lesleyhoward207 — 2013-01-02 10:22:39Z

Hi Megan
Thanks so much for your reply and link. I did try it but had no luck, could be due to his surname. It has been spelt a few ways. As he was only 15 maybe he did go on a hulk.
But i suppose 15 was classed as an adult in those days.
I'l keep trying.
Many thanks again.

Re: Transportation

welshladymegan — 2013-01-01 14:37:01Z

In 1843 it would almost certainly be to Australia. However, I believe, that some criminals effectively served their sentence on board prison hulks in the UK.

This National Archives guide might help:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/490.htm

Transportation

lesleyhoward207 — 2012-12-31 15:01:35Z

Hi, does anyone know the next step to finding where a relative was transported to, and how long for.
I found in the Bristol Mercury that my great Grandad x3,
Matthew Cavanagh was convicted of crime in 1843 aged about 15 and was transported for 7 years. I have read that some criminals didn't serve their full time,
he couldn't have because he got married in 1848.
Thanks in advance, if anyone can help

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

rager1960 — 2012-09-13 22:01:42Z

Thanks, I'll be waiting patiently.

Penny
Researching:
RAGER, WRIGHT, SWAGLER, SNYDER, MILLER of Ragersville, Ohio

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

thesilverpen — 2012-09-13 11:58:14Z

A little bit that pops up when I am looking for various histories. I am in a busy week this week coming, but after that, I will delve into my research more and see what I can find for you. Conrad Rager, the founder of Ragersville was the man who put the noose around the neck of John Funston for the Post Boy murder. Later Rgaersville was the site of the lynching of Jeff Davis. Those were the only two lynchings in Tusc. Co. Interesting coincidence. That is probably one of the most interesting tidbits I can provide at this time until I look through my notes.

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

rager1960 — 2012-09-12 21:42:56Z

I'm also doing research on the People of Ragersville... but My family are the RAGER's and the WRIGHT's... do you have any information or pictures about them?

Re: NY criminal records early 1900's

cemcrawler — 2012-08-14 13:11:08Z

Maybe an article in the newspaper
Try posting the name etc. and maybe someone can help

NY criminal records early 1900's

YaakovYechiel — 2012-08-12 19:12:47Z

Hi all,

Does anyone know if it’s possible to access criminal records for a crime committed in 1906 in Rochelle, New York?

Many thanks

Re: Randolph County NC Hanging 1879 Thos P. BOWMAN

danielhearn_1 — 2012-08-11 23:22:03Z

CORRECTION: That New York Herald cite is 8-30-1879 (4:l).

Re: Randolph County NC Hanging 1879 Thos P. BOWMAN

danielhearn_1 — 2012-08-11 23:17:50Z

The NEW YORK HERALD, 8-20-1879 (4:1) contains a long and
sordidly detailed account of this case. Further comment here would be indiscreet.

Re: ohio State Penitentiary records 1930s?

circa_1948 — 2012-08-06 04:56:39Z

if u care to send me an email I will send u 5 or 6 newspaper articles on the charges etc.
circa_1948@hotmail.com

Re: Randolph County NC Hanging 1879 Thos P. BOWMAN

rjallred — 2012-08-04 00:15:48Z

Have done extensive research on this murder case, have visited the graves and the murder site. Bowman's wife was Thurza Ann Cannon. All my notes are at my office, so I cannot answer all of your other questions at the moment.

Have you actually seen the photograph of Bowman's corpse?

Okanogan Police Department 1970s-1980s, Washington State

EdMcConnell68 — 2012-07-24 01:46:09Z

Chief Allen Pheasant, Chief Ralph Wilson, Chief Barney Lay, Officers Larry Cline, Dan LaRoache, Neil Adams, Ed McConnell, Jess Mack, Dave Snyder, Jeff Jeffers, Ted Lucas, Mike Jaquish, Juanita Scharp, Mike McCallum.

Note: Larry Cline later became Chief of Police at Brewster,WA.
Note: Dan LaRoache later became Sheriff of Douglas County.
Note: Neil Adams went on to become a Captain with the Washington State Dept of Corrections.
Note: Juanita Scharp went on to join the Seattle Police Dept.

Re: Randolph County NC Hanging 1879 Thos P. BOWMAN

mi2early — 2012-07-05 12:49:29Z

ADMIN NOTE:

You may receive more help on the Randolph County board where there may be some posters with local knowledge. Would you like me to move your post to that board?

Randolph County NC Hanging 1879 Thos P. BOWMAN

Nannerlh — 2012-07-05 12:48:23Z

Looking for information on one Thomas Pinckney/Pinkney Bowman, accused of the murder of his wife by poison in 1876/1877. I can find no record of her first name but Bowman stated her last name was "Cannon"; in fact the daughter of "Ruben/Rueben Cannon" in a newspaper interview at the time. I'm seeing trial records, as well as a photograph of Bowman's corpse which was supposedly taken in Greensboro, NC by W.P. Hughes. Additionally, a member of Bowman's household - unknown if blood relative - by the last name of "Dill/Dell/Deals" supposedly made a deathbed confession to poisoning Mrs. Bowman, years after Thomas' execution. Thomas Bowman and his wife had at least 6 children, only one of which, still a young child at the time of the execution, survived and received at least some measure of financial support through the sales of news stories. Supposedly Mr. and Mrs. Bowman are buried side by side in Rockingham County, in graves marked only by large rocks. Thomas stated he was the son of "Riley" and Susan Bowman - he may have been the grandson of one "John Anderson Bowman". It should be noted that Thomas Bowman states he was originally from "Gibbs County, GA" - but there is no record of any such county in GA, either now or in 'defunct' county listings. During Thomas' lifetime, he states that he and his wife went back and forth from the "Bowman Plantation" in Georgia and NC. Any information or leads would be deeply appreciated.

Re: Murder in Moore Haven, Florida; missing grave

mi2early — 2012-06-09 14:30:25Z

Family stories, even from the most trusted person, tend to change a little as they are passed down.

You really need to look at your ancestor's death certificate and newspapers published at the time of his death for accurate information.

Re: Murder in Moore Haven, Florida; missing grave

RicTieman — 2012-06-09 12:47:31Z

I have not seen any official documentation, only the story passed on from his step grand daughter. Before she passed away, she was the treasurer for the Dallas Genealogical Society, so I tend to trust her account.

Keep in mind, Florida was a lawless place back then and there were likely some significant obstacle to bringing the body back. If you'd like to have a feel for what life may have been like, read Killing Mister Watson by Peter Matthiessen. The events that book is based on happened just a few years later and about 100 miles away.

The exact spot, as described by my great aunt, is not far from 26.792088,-81.330678

Re: Murder in Moore Haven, Florida; missing grave

mi2early — 2012-06-08 15:22:56Z

"They buried him along the river in his boat." Of course, anything can happen, but that does sound rather unusual. Has that been confirmed by some official documentation?

What information does his death certificate yield?

Murder in Moore Haven, Florida; missing grave

RicTieman — 2012-06-08 15:21:26Z

I recently learned through a "family story", that my GGF was murdered in Florida. He as a farmer and trapper in Moore Haven, Florida in the early 1900s. When he did not return from trapping, his oldest son went to find him. He was found robbed and dead in his boat. They buried him along the river in his boat. Years later, my GU went to find him and move him to a proper cemetery, but, the government had moved the river and they could not find him.

Now, years later, the land is much more developed and I was wondering if someone had ever found him. And, if they did, would the body have reported to the local police? Does anyone what steps I should take now, over 100 years later? If it helps, the family story does mention a very specific place.

Re: criminal history?

mi2early — 2012-06-07 12:37:44Z

It's difficult to help without a name and possible location. You could try posting on the relevant newspaper board and ask for a lookup, or contact the libraries in the area in which the crime was committed and ask the research librarian for a lookup.

Re: criminal history?

circa_1948 — 2012-06-07 07:45:38Z

I have a rather large "prison" et al archive on my PC I will search. Meanwhile, try contacting the local historical society and ask if they will do a search of their archives. Many old institutional records are handed over to historical societies for safe keeping. If nothing, try the state HS and even closest, local genealogical society.

Re: ohio State Penitentiary records 1930s?

circa_1948 — 2012-06-07 07:37:24Z

try contacting the local historical society (if no luck then try he state HS). Old institutional records many times were remanded to them for keeping. They will usually do a search for you and if found, charge per copy of doocument.

you can also try courthouse records. ask court clerk/info person what their proceedure is.

Vance County, North Carolina, Murder around 1964

Floda — 2012-04-25 13:38:01Z

I am looking for someone with access to Vance County newspapers or court records for information about a murder in Vance County, NC around 1964. Two brothers (John and Herman Mulchi) were convicted of the crime.
email me at tld6922@alum.uncw.edu

Re: Vance County Murder around 1964

cemcrawler — 2012-04-25 13:30:39Z

I sent you an article about it to your email

Re: Murder trials---Saluda, SC and Jones Co, GA

DonnaMinter99 — 2012-03-19 22:33:24Z

Thank you for the info and advice. I will try that.

Re: Murder trials---Saluda, SC and Jones Co, GA

mi2early — 2012-03-19 14:12:21Z

You could start with the county courthouses.

For specific information, you might get better results by posting two separate messages, one on the Jones County, Georgia, message board and the other on the Saluda County, South Carolina, board. Be sure to provide as much information as possible, such as your ancestors' names, birth dates and places, dates and places of crime, etc.

Good luck.

Murder trials---Saluda, SC and Jones Co, GA

DonnaMinter99 — 2012-03-18 17:38:04Z

I have two family members who were murdered. One in Saluda, SC and one in Jones Co, GA. Where do I look for Court records regarding these trials?

Re: criminal history?

rqrphoto — 2012-03-09 20:06:33Z

It's been a while since you posted this so perhaps you have already gotten an answer and found your ancestors records. As a retired police officer I can give you a little insight on your search. Realize first that every jurisdiction may present different challenges but here are some general thoughts. He might have been arrested by any of several law enforcement agencies....perhaps a city police department, or the county Sheriff, State Police or perhaps even a federal agency (if he were in violation of federal liquor tax laws for example) If he were arrested by State, County, or local police then you should be able to find a record in one of the local courts. Many places have more than one court and you will need to check with the County Clerk to determine the number of courts and which one would most likely have been the presiding court for that sort of arrest.

Had someone come to our police department seeking information on an arrest that happened 40 or 50 or more years ago we would have had a very difficult time producing information since those records have been moved into storage and none of those old arrests were ever digitized. It would involve sorting through a lot of paperwork, If you were lucky we would have been able to find an "arrest card" in an alphabetized file. As I recall we used to purge those cards from the file if we knew the person was deceased. Saves space, but doesn't help future researchers much. Different states have different public records retention laws affecting police departments so your luck in locating information will vary from place to place.

Looking for the court records would also be a challenge for the same reasons, not knowing a year would make it especially difficult to find as you would need to search docket book indexes one year at a time and each court would have their own set of docket books. Knowing at least the year of arrest(s) would help a great deal. If he had served time in a state prison your search would be a lot easier, many states have digitized their old records and can do a search on a name pretty easily. I found a distant cousin who served time in the Nebraska state Prison in 1909 without much difficulty. I initially discovered that incident from a newspaper article I accidentally discovered. Local newspapers often record crime stories and arrests....but again you will need to have a date or at least something close in order to search through the old papers.

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

thesilverpen — 2012-03-08 19:59:31Z

That would be the same, any info on the man especially how he was as a person would be appreciated. i gladly share info. I have to look through my records to find what I have, I had laid it aside to finish some other works, but I wrote a screenplay and been trying to sell it. I am doing the book, but the book is much more complicated. I am obsessive about facts and details, and that makes it hard to loosen up and just write. These people were my ancestors and friends of past relatives, so I have a special connection to them. I hoped to uncover pictures of these people, but only got one of Peter Steitz and it is quite fuzzy. Some relatives of the Wingeiers are all blonde and light eyes. And I know what Jeff Davis looked like basically. The rest are mysteries. I am working hard to answer the question as to how these deeply religious, hard working peaceful farmers could do this act. I think I have it, but trying to portray it, is a challenge. John Shank being in his position surely had to be present as he was one of the men trying to calm the crowd and make them stop, which makes me wonder why he was charged. Other than the coat evidence, of course.

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

deane_belden — 2012-03-08 19:51:50Z

The reason I ask about John Shank is that my ggg grandfather was a John Shank (1797-1882). He was at one time a Tuscarawrus County Commissioner that lived in Ragersville. He also had a son John Shank (abt 1835 - ????).

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

thesilverpen — 2012-03-08 19:45:07Z

Shepfer was only was went through full trial, Wingeier released on lack of evidence to hold trial. I think they knew at that point no conviction could be obtained. John Shank also released along with Peter Steitz. The evidence for Shank was a bloody coat, but he claimed the coat was worn by someone else. Although it seems he didn't reveal the who the someone else was or it is lost in records. The cover up of the event really took a toll on the records, but I collected many over this past year. John Shank doesn't have a whole lot of written history, so I never got a good feel for what he was like, as a man. The Wingeiers were very active in that area for cheese making and social events. A little rowdy as well, but noting bad really. Good humor type rowdy. I researched hard to find why these particular 4 were brought to charges when around 30 were present for the deed. I think I have found a couple good theories, but nothing concrete. I guess I have to hope someone comes forward with an old diary or something and finally exposes that fact as the records have disappeared from the court books and historical society for that period of time.

Re: Lynching of Jeff Davis in Ragersville, Ohio

deane_belden — 2012-03-08 18:35:56Z

What information do you have on one of the four: John Shank.
I found info that at least Shepfer and Winkever were tried and found innocent.

Re: ohio State Penitentiary records 1930s?

brandy1mare — 2012-02-12 20:17:54Z

If you send me what you know Name, date of birth or year, spouse, parents etc. I will see if you can find anything for you.
My email is:
browsetree@yahoo.com

Re: ohio State Penitentiary records 1930s?

jayme724 — 2012-02-12 17:53:43Z

HI,

I saw this post and hoping you can help. I also discovered my grandpa was in the ohio pen in the 1930. How were you able ot find the records for why?

Re: Criminal Records, SC & VA 1929?

mi2early — 2012-01-05 14:07:41Z

I think you would have more success by posting on the South Carolina and Virginia boards, being sure to customize your subject lines and message content for each board.

It would also be helpful to those trying to help if they could see the newspaper article. Consider scanning it and attaching a copy to your posts.

Good luck!

Criminal Records, SC & VA 1929?

childofatom — 2012-01-04 22:36:29Z

Does anyone have a suggestion on how I might start researching criminal records from SC and VA in 1929?

I recently stumbled across a newspaper article from 1929 about an ancestor being arrested in York, SC on charges that he escaped from a prison in Richmond, VA. Both that he had been in prison, and that he had escaped were news to me and now I am curious to see if I can track down any further information about the case, and why he had been in jail originally. Does anyone have any advice on where to start in finding criminal records from that far back? This is a new area of research for me!

His name was Frank Garrison, the article appeared in the Dec 30, 1929 issue of the Rock Hill Herald, (Rock Hill, SC) which is available at the Google News Archives.

Thanks in advance!

Re: education status shown on the Criminal Registers?

mi2early — 2011-12-16 14:23:13Z

Admin Note:

If you'll provide the country in which these criminal registers were created, someone might be able to help. It would also help to attach an image of the register.

Good luck!

education status shown on the Criminal Registers?

allystree — 2011-12-12 09:25:56Z

Hello
Looking at the records of the Criminal Registers I notice there is a column "degree of instruction". I have taken this to mean education..
Most people have N (none?) but some have "imp" written.
Can anyone tell me what imp means, and if it does refer to education, how would poor people have recieved that education in eg 1830s?
Alison

What is a CC

mbending — 2011-12-10 13:53:32Z

In my family history there is a policeman active in the 1860s. In newspaper reports he is referred to as CC blogs where nowadays we would use PC.

Anyone know the significance of CC?

Thanks