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Re: Missing head of home?

RobinBMc — 2013-04-18 15:40:00Z

Thanks, that's very helpful! Later census records suggest they actually had 10 children in total so if you come across any others, I'd be interested.

Re: Missing head of home?

BelleRinger — 2013-04-18 15:31:17Z

Sidetracking slightly, but I have the baptism register transcriptions of 3 of the 4 children born in Girton on my website if you're interested:

http://www.easttrentgenealogy.co.uk/name-index/baptismsA-M/s...

Christine

Re: Missing head of home?

RobinBMc — 2013-04-17 18:34:02Z

Thanks!

Re: Missing head of home?

carobradford — 2013-04-17 17:44:35Z

I think the enumerator's annotation is something like "Head from home", i.e. the Head was not at home on census night and therefore could not be enumerated with the rest of the household.

Missing head of home?

RobinBMc — 2013-04-17 17:38:13Z

I've never seen this before, the head of home isn't just not listed but there is an actual blank space, as though he exists but the informer didn't know his name. But how could someone know so much about the rest of the family without knowing the name of the head of the household? The wife is listed as wife, not the head. It's the 1851 census.

Anyone have any other ideas why this would be the case? The missing person is Joseph Bentley and he can be found on the 1861 census so he wasn't dead.

Re: 1881/91 Census - Meaning of Infirmity: "Mon"

stemail23 — 2013-03-02 18:19:49Z

Hi Sandra,

That was my working assumption too. I wondered if there was any way to be more certain?

Cheers,
Steven

Re: 1881/91 Census - Meaning of Infirmity: "Mon"

Merice46 — 2013-03-02 12:00:24Z

Hi,
I would think in those times Mon was for mongol,which today we would call Downs syndrome.

Regards

Sandra

1881/91 Census - Meaning of Infirmity: "Mon"

stemail23 — 2013-03-02 10:29:29Z

Can anybody tell me what the abbreviation, "Mon" might mean in the infirmity column of the 1881 & 1891 UK census?

By 1901 the same individual was listed as "feeble minded".

References:
1881: Emma Merrick: Piece 1290, Folio 34, Page 23
1891: Emma Merrick: Piece 2872, Folio 30, Page 51

Any suggestion much appreciated.

Cheers,
Steven

Re: looking for census in Ireland

susan2670 — 2013-02-18 16:57:17Z

any dates?

looking for census in Ireland

beas28 — 2013-02-18 04:17:20Z

When looking for census in Ireland, would all the family be on the census record , also looking for one family with 12 children in New Zealand with no luck.

Mr W. Leach - Jane (Drury) Leach
know they had one daughter Mary Jane Leach

Re: help reading an occupation on a UK census

Brib_79 — 2013-02-09 05:15:18Z

Thank you!

Re: help reading an occupation on a UK census

BobNY — 2013-02-09 05:04:52Z

Best guess = Pensioner Police Gardener.

Gardener seems likely since it was his occupation in the prior censuses. At age 81, it is likely he was a pensioner. Police? Maybe his former employer.

help reading an occupation on a UK census

Brib_79 — 2013-02-09 02:56:14Z

Hi,

Can anyone decipher what this occupation is? It's taken from the 1901 Census for William Willis (born 1820 Chatham, Kent)

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Brianne

Name change in census records

russell_g_arnott — 2013-01-23 20:48:18Z

I have been searching to trace records of my great grandfather who just seemed to vanish out of census England and Wales census records between 1881 and 1891. I may have found out way ... for some reason his first name changed.

I initially thought that I was looking at a different ancestor but it is definitely the same person. What are the odds of 2 blind men with the same surname being married to a woman with the same name and have a son with the same name.

I is obviously not an error in the hand written records, but was this a common occurrence?

If anyone has any idea of the how or why this happened or if it was just something that he did on a whim, I would be really interested to hear your thoughts.

Thanks

Re: Name change in census records

amymdell — 2013-01-23 18:05:10Z

What are the two forenames? Is it possible he had two forenames and used one at one time, and the other at another time? I had an ancestor that was known as Unity for almost every census save one. On that one she was listed as Elizabeth. It turned out her full name was Elizabeth Unity Stanton. At one time, she used Elizabeth, and at another used Unity.

Re: Registration number on Census of Scotland

infosending1 — 2013-01-18 02:26:06Z

What do you mean by registration number. ?

Do you mean the address schedule number ?, as per the left hand column in the attached example of an 1871 U.K. census document.

If so, the schedule number is just the census enumerator's reference number for that particular property on his list of properties in his particular census area.

Forget about such numbers, they're of no value or use to you.

The only way to identify people on different censusess is to compare their details as listed on the censuses.

Re: Search UK census by residential address

kobieharris1 — 2013-01-04 15:52:18Z

I can do it on FMP website if you give me the address

Re: Search UK census by residential address

susan2670 — 2013-01-04 10:35:01Z

only the 1881 and 1911 census.

Search UK census by residential address

PhilAndChrisOwen — 2013-01-04 01:53:45Z

Happy New Year,

Would somebody please tell me how to search the UK census by street address? Is it possible using ancestry.co.uk? Or is there another way?

Thanks,

Phil

Census Substitute records for Co. Armagh

mi2early — 2012-12-10 14:37:10Z

From the Irish Family History Foundation's Online Research Service:

"From the Irish Family History Foundation's Online Research Service:

"RootsIrelandThe Irish Family History Foundation's Online Research Service (ORS) are pleased to announce the availability of 41,090 new Census Substitute records from Armagh Ancestry for Co. Armagh.

"Quite often the only realistic strategy in tracing ancestors beyond church registers is to examine surviving census returns and census substitutes, often compiled by civil parish, for any references to a surname or given name of interest.

"This database contains an index to people recorded in fourteen such sources, dating from 1611 to 1855. These sources usually only name heads of household; each source returns the name of head of household, year, civil parish address, and, in most cases, townland (or street/town) address. The Flax Growers Lists of 1796 plus some of the 1740 and 1766 returns don't record townland addresses. The sources are:

Muster Rolls of 1611
Armagh Rent Rolls of 1620
Hearth Money Rolls of 1666
Drumcree Rents of 1737
Protestant Householders of 1740
Signatories for 1st Markethill Presbyterian Church of 1763
Religious Census of 1766
Census of Heads of Households for Creggan parish of 1766
Armagh City Census of 1770
County Armagh Flax Growers List of 1796
Forkhill Cess Lists of 1820
County Armagh Tithe Applotments of 1823-37
Census of Newtownhamilton 2nd Presbyterian Church of 1826
Emigrants from Derrynoose Parish 1840-1855

"By logging directly into the Armagh Centre site you can choose a 'Source' from the search screen to narrow your search.

"Just go to the following site and login using your existing IFHF login details.
http://armagh.rootsireland.ie

"See the Armagh Sources List for full details. "

Re: Various marks on Census returns

mafiacls — 2012-11-28 16:13:48Z

cheers for this info i always wondered why they were marks and lines through the census forms

Re: occupation on census - can anyone tell me what his job was?

mafiacls — 2012-11-28 16:12:08Z

he's a printer

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

fiddlerslass — 2012-09-14 12:16:46Z

Hi,
The only one that seems to match in 1881 is

name: James Payne
age: 13
gender: Male
birth year: 1868
birthplace: Dudley, Worcestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: 5 Ct 1 Belper
census place: Dudley (Worcs), Staffordshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341689
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 2875 / 8
page number: 10
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Bridget Payne F 48 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
daughter Ann Payne F 16 Dudley, Worcestershire, England
son James Payne M 13 Dudley, Worcestershire, England
daughter Mary Payne F 9 Dudley, Worcestershire, England
daughter Sarah Payne F 5 Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VV-3VJ : accessed 14 Sep 2012), James Payne in household of Bridget Payne, Dudley (Worcs), Staffordshire, England; citing PRO RG 11/2875 / 8 folio, p. 10, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 1341689.

You may find this useful

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

Regards, Helen.

occupation on census - can anyone tell me what his job was?

roxanne1985 — 2012-08-14 12:30:07Z

george cooper on this census is 18 years old but i can not understand the writing of his job description

this is the link to the census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&d...

Re: can anyone tell me what his job was?

carobradford — 2012-07-06 16:11:39Z

No way of knowing, unfortunately. Other documents (such as a marriage certificate or later censuses) may help.

Re: can anyone tell me what his job was?

roxanne1985 — 2012-07-06 15:27:07Z

Daft question but what exactly did they do? I mean was it for a particular thing such as newspapers or could it have been any printer job?

Re: can anyone tell me what his job was?

carobradford — 2012-07-06 15:07:25Z

George is a printer

Registration number on Census of Scotland

mrsmck151 — 2012-07-05 17:32:02Z

Hi,
Can someone tell me if there is a meaning to the registration number on the census? I have a printout of a family in the 1861 census with a registration number of 748 and a printout of a family in the 1871 census with a registration number of 748/1. I THINK it's the same family. Does the registration number help to confirm that, or does it just have to do with where the information is found? Thank you for any help you can give me.

Re: Various marks on Census returns

jamie_long951 — 2012-05-06 17:23:54Z

Thanks alot!

Re: Various marks on Census returns

carobradford — 2012-05-06 16:04:23Z

Exactly. Sometimes it's just a slash across a column, sometimes lines across whole rows - basically a way of keeping a check of where they were up to in their sums. You also come across annotations in the occupation column - these relate to the coding system for occupation categories.

Re: Various marks on Census returns

jamie_long951 — 2012-05-06 15:50:10Z

So the clerks put the various marks on when they were working through the forms, to in some way help them to do what they were doing?

Re: Census source info

jamie_long951 — 2012-05-06 15:48:49Z

Ok thanks for the help!

Re: Census source info

PamelaWagster — 2012-05-06 15:24:50Z

It is the TNA original document.

Census source info

jamie_long951 — 2012-05-06 14:50:23Z

Hi,

As an example see http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ssrc=pt_t410167...

Is the source citation at the bottom (Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4278; Folio: 57; Page: 1) for ancestrys online database of the document, or is it reference to the original document held by TNA?

Thanks

Re: Various marks on Census returns

carobradford — 2012-05-03 20:44:50Z

The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

The marks you see in the census enumerators' books were made by the clerks whose job it was to compile the population statistics which were the sole purpose of the census - the information about individuals was simply a by-product of this process.

Various marks on Census returns

jamie_long951 — 2012-05-03 19:48:45Z

Evening,

Probably a stupid question, but why are most of the census returns covered in crosses and strike-throughs (such as: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&d...)

just curious...

cheers

Re: Husbands missing on Lancashire census

jodyjanet — 2012-04-29 15:46:40Z

Hi, Oh great, i didnt realise anyone would be able to try to help.
Eliza Eaton born 1868, married Henry Keen who died 1906, then re-married John Eccleston born 1859. According to the 1911 census Eliza was living at 5 St Anns Square, Coppull, Wigan. NO HEAD.
I believe John didnt die until 1917.

Hannah Burrows born 1815 married Dennis Wailing, who died then she re-married a man also known as Burrows. John Burrows on 6/9/1846 in Rainford, Lancashire. 1851 census states NO HEAD, address Canal Place, Eccleston. In 1853 and 1857 two more Burrows children were born Paule and Elizabeth. 1861 census still states NO HEAD, living at St Helens.

Any info would be fantastic. Thanks.

Husbands missing on Lancashire census

jodyjanet — 2012-04-29 15:45:43Z

On my family tree 50 years apart one on my grandmothers side and one on my grandfathers side, there are husbands missing on the census. They are alive and more children are born inbetween the census dates, but there is no acknowledgement of them. Why could this be. Could they possibly be working away? Imprisoned? I dont understand this?

Re: 20th Century censuses

BelleRinger — 2012-04-25 14:40:41Z

Currently the policy on censuses is that they're made publicly available 100 years after they were taken, so the 1921 census will be available in 2022 or thereabouts. The 1931 census returns were destroyed by fire and there was no census taken in 1941, so the next one will be the 1951 census available in approximately 2052. That is, unless the 100 year policy is relaxed at some point.

Christine

20th Century censuses

JamesLow163 — 2012-04-25 14:03:30Z

Is there a time table for inclusion of England and Wales 1921 and later censuses?

Re: Husbands missing on census

mi2early — 2012-04-12 13:05:35Z

ADMIN NOTE:

Yes, the husbands could have been working elsewhere, imprisoned, or doing who-knows-what. You haven't provided enough information to enable someone to help you, such as names, dates, and locations.

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

kobieharris1 — 2012-03-27 10:12:38Z

On Findmypast there is a James Payne from Dudley in the Worcester Regt 2nd Battalion, his number is 2156 and in 1891 the Battalion was in Ireland.
The only other clue was his mothers names which was Bridget Payne who lived at 31 Garden Walk,Stafford Street,Dudley in 1878 when he joined up.
It says he was discharged in 1899 but does not say he was blind so not sure that this is the right James or not

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

kheenand — 2012-03-26 19:50:55Z

Thanks Pamela, I have very little to go on

1901 census for St Johns, Worcs shows a James Payne, born approx 1870 in Dudley, Staffordshire, England. He is a discharged solider - condition is blind.He is married with four children, eldest is 8 an youngest is 3 months.

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

PamelaWagster — 2012-03-26 19:33:06Z

If you wish to post the details of the person you are searching for someone here may be able to help.

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

kheenand — 2012-03-26 19:30:22Z

Thank you so much for this - it saved me hours of searching. Unfortunately when I got to the records, there was no sign of the person I wanted to find.Isn't it always the case??

Re: Soldiers listed in census?

kobieharris1 — 2012-03-26 14:05:37Z

Try searching 1891 census >England>Worcestershire>Norton Juxta Kempsey>District Norton Barracks

If this is no help then give the names DOB etc and others will search as well

Soldiers listed in census?

kheenand — 2012-03-25 17:16:19Z

I have a 1901 census entry of a retired soldier (blind) that I am trying to trace but cannot find in the military records so far. I'm just wondering whether army barracks were listed in the previous census so if he was not serving overseas I might pick him up. he would have been in the Worcester Regiment and stationed probably at Norton Barracks. But my searches haven't found the barracks at all

Re: Occupation on census -General Labourer R.M.M.

kobieharris1 — 2012-03-06 17:28:43Z

How rude of me not to say Thank you

Thank you very much

Re: census search for William Harry MEREDITH born in 1885 Portsmouth , England

beverley_33 — 2012-03-02 15:48:10Z

Thank You.

Re: census search for William Harry MEREDITH born in 1885 Portsmouth , England

mi2early — 2012-03-02 15:40:47Z

In that case you might have a lot more success posting on the Hampshire board:

Localities /United Kingdom and Ireland /England /Hampshire / General