Census of United Kingdom 1911 - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

nfp20 — 2013-04-19 18:45:19Z

no thats the person that I contacted who has linked my family tree to theirs. It would be really lovely if they are family as we know very little about that side of the tree. My great grandad went to india with the Army married out there and had children but returned to london with his family but as with most families as the generations increase so does the distance between them until you lose contact. I definitely have my fingers crossed.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

PamelaWagster — 2013-04-19 18:17:37Z

It is member Eragon71 tree.Is that you? If not it has addresses for 1911 for Catherine Minnie,also has William James Jones.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

nfp20 — 2013-04-19 17:43:22Z

its probably mine lol I've got several on the go. Part of the problem I have is that Catherine Jones who is the bride in this instance is a VERY common name. So far I have had three different family trees contact me all with a Catherine Jones in them that profess to have the same lineage but with a bit of digging and a few certificates they have turned out to be incorrect.

I was lucky enough to know both sets of great grandparents well into my teens early 20's so know a reasonable amount about my family in this instance William James Jones is my great grandfather and would be brother to Catherine Jones.

I'd love to have contact with any of his siblings families but obviously with such a common name its easy to go wrong especially with fathers names Thomas and George...

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

nfp20 — 2013-04-19 17:39:47Z

Brilliant thank you this was what I was looking for.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

PamelaWagster — 2013-04-19 15:28:47Z

There is a tree on Ancestry with your people in it and quite a bit of info.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-04-19 15:27:05Z

Hello - here are the marriage witnesses on the 1911:

Address: 53 Lant Street Borough S E

HOGG, George Head Married M 57 1854 Painter And Paper Hanger Deptford and Kent London
HOGG, Helen Wife Married
20 years F 47 1864 Bankside Southwark London

RG number: RG14

Piece: 1788

Reference: RG14PN1788 RG78PN63 RD23 SD3 ED16 SN157

Registration District: Southwark

Sub District: St George the Martyr West

Enumeration District: 16

Parish: Southwark St George the Martyr

Address: 53 Lant Street Borough S E

County: London

There are no Bells or Jones at 53 or 55 at that point, but noticed the marriage was 16 months later

Families in those homes are Teedon, Bulmer, Neville, Flinn, Woodington, Martin ( with boarders Marsh and Wellfare ), and Hogg as stated before.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

PamelaWagster — 2013-04-19 15:08:50Z

1911

At 53 Lant St is Helen and George Hogg who I can see were the witnesses at the wedding.

Cannot see the bride and groom although couple of Jones families. 53 and 55 are split into several addresses,probably rooms.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

PamelaWagster — 2013-04-19 07:00:22Z

Try Lant St.

Re: 1911 Census look up for Southwark London

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-19 06:02:03Z

sorry, cannot find this named street in the index

1911 Census look up for Southwark London

nfp20 — 2013-04-18 23:29:43Z

Can anyone help with a look up please for the following addresses:

53 Laut Street, Southwark parish of st michael
55 Laut Street, Southwark parish of st michael

I am looking for the Bell and Jones families that lived at these addresses or information on the residents of these two addresses at the time of the census in 1911. My reference for this address is the banns record for Edward Bell and Catherine Jones.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=1623&...=

Thanks

1911 kent please

02imagination — 2013-03-18 23:51:05Z

Hi,
1911 census search please for:

Oliver J. Firmin, b. 1884 Fordham Essex

thanks!

Re: 1911 essex

02imagination — 2013-03-18 23:45:27Z

May I also add a request for:

Louis C. Firmin, b. 1888 Lexden

Re: 1911 please - Fordham, Essex

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-18 22:31:00Z

Original image says 12 children born alive, 9 still living..another entry has been made on the sheet and then crossed through..Arthur William Balls Son 14 Fordham,Essex

Re: 1911 please - Fordham, Essex

02imagination — 2013-03-18 22:29:57Z

Excellent, thank you very much. We didn't know Nellie Florence before either.

Thanks, Gillian!

Re: 1911 please - Fordham, Essex

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-18 22:27:33Z

Hello :) - 1911 return from FMP:

Person: BALLS, Mary Ann

Address: Fordham Heath Fordham Colchester

BALLS, Mary Ann Head Widow M 49 1862 Tailoress Fordham Essex
BALLS, Mabel Ellen Daughter F 12 1899 School Fordham Essex
BALLS, Nellie Florence Daughter F 9 1902 School Fordham Essex
MANNING, Victor Boarder Single M 26 1885 Railway Servant Brich Essex

RG number: RG14

Piece: 10353

Reference: RG14PN10353 RG78PN547 RD199 SD3 ED5 SN66

Registration District: Lexden

Sub District: Fordham

Enumeration District: 5

Parish: Fordham

Address: Fordham Heath Fordham Colchester

County: Essex

1911 please - Fordham, Essex

02imagination — 2013-03-18 22:22:28Z

Hi,
I was wondering if Mabel might be found in 1911 please.

Mabel Ellen Balls, b. 1899 Fordham

She marries in 1917, in Orsett Essex.

thanks for any help!

Family missing from 1911 census - Summary books say "uninhabited"

KatherineAHartley — 2013-03-16 12:36:49Z

I've known for some time that my family is missing from the 1911 census.

Edward Cooper b. 1862 Horsforth, a Master Tailor
Elizabeth Cooper b. 1861 Mirfield
Children:-
William Hall Cooper b.1889
Harry b.1895
Alfred b.1895
Arthur b. 1897
Ida b. 1900

Their address would have been 20 Ashville Terrace, Burley (Leeds) and although every household on that street is listed, this particular address is missing.

It occurred to me today to check the 1911 summary books for this street to see if there is any other information, and sure enough number 20 Ashville Terrace is indeed listed, but it says it is "uninhabited".

What I'm interested to know is why this would be the case. Are they on holiday? Did they refuse to take part in the census? I've searched elsewhere for them but I can't find them staying at another address.

Re: 1911 census - children alive/dead confusion

timtracker — 2013-03-14 22:54:14Z

Still births are not registered in England until 1927, in Scotland in 1939.

Legally, a child should be registered as living if it shows ANY sign off life once it is born. If it shows such a sign then a birth and, if it dies, death record should be made. If the child is deemed by the attendant medical staff to be born dead then no registration of live birth occurs. No birth certificate is issued. The only record prior to 1927 would be at the hospital or doctor's surgery I suspect.

After 1927 the records are only available to the immediate family, ie, parents and siblings. You can't see them now.

However, mistakes do occur on census records. So you must allow for this possibility.

Also, there is a place to note the potential for an emotional reaction. The parents just could register the child on the census because they regard the child as part of their family. I doubt this occurs often. But no one is likely to actually check, so it would not incur the wrath of a bureaucrat.

Re: Need help with a 1911 Census Look up please

armstrong1961 — 2013-03-07 20:27:55Z

Thank you for letting me know this fact, I'm having no success finding his birth and this is obviously why...

I have details of his life from his marriage in 1910 but nothing before this unfortunately and without his birth details I can't get any further back.

On Georges marriage certificate it states his fathers name is also George Howard and his occupation was Sailor (and I can't find any trace of him either) ...back to the drawing board...

Many thanks once again, appreciated :)

Re: 1911 census - children alive/dead confusion

jodyjanet — 2013-03-07 17:34:07Z

Thankyou for the reply. I have done some delving, and it would appear that one of the children i had in my tree, was possibly not one of the children as not present on any of the census, plus other detail such as birth place, names in tradition etc.
I have removed this child, and replaced it with an unknown - possibly a stillborn or a late miscarriage. I cannot find a birth record.
Im assuming there wouldnt be a record for a late miscarriage. If there are records for a stillborn - I cannot find a possible choice.
Thankyou again

Re: Need help with a 1911 Census Look up please

grendav2001 — 2013-03-07 13:39:44Z

he was not born in (east)hartlepool or the former town of west hartlepool. the nearest george howard births in county durham are sunderland and south shields.

"east hartlepool" has never legally existed. it was used by the railways to distinguish it from west hartlepool.

they married in the district of glendale in the county of northumberland in 1910.

Re: 1911 census - children alive/dead confusion

PamelaWagster — 2013-03-07 08:02:47Z

It was meant to be the head of the household who filled in 1911 census,if they were unable to write then maybe one of the children living at home would fill it it in.

I have looked back and can see 9 children still living up to 1891 census.

I would search for more births,there is a 6 year gap between Tom c1870 and Henry/Harry c1876,you have 10 children on your tree,there may be 1 more or it could be an error.

1911 census - children alive/dead confusion

jodyjanet — 2013-03-06 22:36:13Z

Im currently researching my gg grandfather who had 11 children. William Gravil 1847-1926. Born in Thorne, Yorkshire, England.
The 1911 census states him as having 7 children alive and 4 children who died. I have all 11 children in my tree, with relevant infomation on all of them, however i have 3 as died and 8 as living, with proof they were living in 1911.
How would it be, that the census is wrong? Who filled it in? The man going door to door, or the occupant? How could this infomation possibly be incorrectly recorded by the Occupant/father? Im hoping that the door to door man mis heard and wrote it incorrectly but how can you mix up 3 with 4 and 7 with 8. Please help.

Re: GEORGE HENRY BROWN, LIVERPOOL

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-04 20:55:15Z

Hello - Northway in Wavertree, Liverpool does exist - there are currently properties listed for sale there, and they are by no means new builds..but can't find Northway or any surrounding streets on the 1911 address search ..suspecting built after 1911? What date is document with 83 Northway given, please?

GEORGE HENRY BROWN, LIVERPOOL

ELLinSpain — 2013-03-03 07:34:03Z

can find a Northwood not a northway - any further details on the address - was it actually in Liverpool? on the outskirts?

have you a birthdate? parents names? or wife? children?

I can find 3 George Fredericks;

1 b c1893 in Wood St, Liverpool
1 b c1903 in Byle St, Toxeth Park
1 b c1908 in Cardell St, West derby

help with wavertree liverpool

maureenbrown60 — 2013-03-02 20:42:03Z

my husband grandfather George Frederick BROWN (so many of them) i have an adress for 83 northway wavertree. i can find lots of roads but nothing for my adress. any ideas or help please. be very very gratefull. thanks

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-03-02 09:41:28Z

thanks Elaine, I did ponder on the possibility of a 'mistake' on the death record as they would have been asking for maiden name of Johns mother at a delicate time and it might have thrown them a bit - I know when MY father died they were asking me his date of birth and my sister and I knew the year and month but we got mixed up - when I asked my fahter for his mothers maiden name he had to think twice before he remembered it - so you never know - and we are talking about a time when records were not on line -

the only thing i can do is to carry it on - as see what comes up - Canadian john is staying on my tree for now as i cnat see there being two johns born the same year to david and jane jarvis in the same suburb - little hulton at theat time was quite a small place .

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

eglanglois — 2013-03-01 23:19:33Z

Hi,
There can be mistakes on death records..there are some errors on my family's death records.
I do note however that another tree for your family here on ancestry has a Jane Worthington as parents to John etc.
I'd be cautious about changing anything until you have more proof.
I'll send more info when the glitches are finished!
Elaine

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-03-01 18:49:06Z

wow thanks for all the things - im very busy with it all now - just ive stumbled accross something - now ive got a Jane Jarvis (nee Eckersley ) as mother to John and the other siblings - from this source :

Marriage: 2 Oct 1853 St Mary the Virgin, Deane, Lancashire, England
David Jervis - 21, Miner, Bachelor, Little Hulton
Jane Eckersley - (X), 23, Spinster, Little Hulton
Groom's Father: Bold Jervis, Carter
Bride's Father: John Eckersley, Carter
Witness: Thomas Eckersley, (X); Mary Worthington, (X)
Married by Banns by: Benjm. Hodgens
Register: Marriages 1852 - 1855, Page 115, Entry 229
Source: Microfilm held by Manchester Central Library

now on Johns death record it has Jane Jarvis nee (Worthington )as mother so a different mother than the one in my tree !! - so its back to the drawing board - ive been unable to locate a marriage for David Jarvis and Jane Worthington anywhere but when i found the marriage at mary the virgin deane for marriages and the names 'Bold Jarvis' is on the gravestone as well and all the dates match here. On my gt grandmothers bapts it lists her mothers name as Jane and on the grave we have 'Jane - wife of David' so he either married two Janes - or what ? there is only one Jane on the headstone and she was born in 1933 -

so - did David marry twice or do i have the wrong brother born exactly the same year ? I have Jane as dec'd before David she died in 1894

seems strange the name of the witness is also a worthington -
well im off the the library to check on this next week as its wonderful to have found all the details - thats if hes the right one - BUT all the Jarvis,Jervis in that area of little hulton are related -

this is part of the headstone _
Mr David JARVIS
Died Thursday, June 27 1918, Aged 83
Born in the year 1835
Husband of Jane

Mrs Jane JARVIS
Died Tuesday, June 19 1894, Aged 63
Born in the year 1831
Wife of David

Mr William JARVIS
Died Monday, February 15 1937, Aged 74
Born in the year 1863
Son of David and Jane

Mary Ann JARVIS
Died Saturday, April 16 1949, Aged 73
Born in the year 1876
Daughter of David and Jane

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

eglanglois — 2013-03-01 17:22:05Z

Hi again,
There's lots more info to come but a glitch on ancestry is stopping me from sending more emails.But it's only temporary!As soon as it's working again,I'll send more!!
In the meantime,I'm emailing you John and Rachel's death certificates.
Bye for now,
E

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-03-01 15:54:44Z

wow thats wonderful Elaine - ive sent you a private message as well !!

That sound like my gt aunt nellie or nancy from Canada my dad used to speak about coming for a visit when i was very young

thanks for your time of this i really appreciate it

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

eglanglois — 2013-03-01 15:04:17Z

Hi again,
I've uncovered a wealth of info this morning!!
Now,I will send you a message privately through the contact for you here on ancestry.I need your email address so I can send you this info.Or you can post your email address on here.
Briefly for now,John and Rachel's kids were James,Nancy (known as Annie) and Jane (Jean).I have the grandchildren's names for some of them.Most of them went to California to live.
I do see that Nancy and her husband William Watt went for a holiday to England in 1956 and planned to stay for 4 months!! Most of the info has an email app so I can send to you.
You don't need a subscription to ancestry to message anyone.You could contact them on this board if we can find them in the United States.
Bye for now..my life is calling.
Elaine

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-03-01 08:57:58Z

Thanks Elaine, yes i do have brother john who went to canada in my tree and i would love to contact my relatives in canada but i dont have subscription so i cant message them. My aunt does say we had relatives in Canada - but shes unsure of the details she does mention an auntie Nellie from the 1950s s era possibly johns daughter ?

i did think of the possibility of Alice and clara going over for a visit but i cant find anything perpahs im looking in the wrong place. If John went to canada in 1906 maybe Alice went around the same time ? do you know the names of Johns children ?

The Topping family lived next door to Alice and gt gt grandad David Jarvis on the other next door.

I would love to get in touch with the family in Canada as im taking grave stone pictures of gt gt grandad david Jarvis in summer as the cemetry is quite near me im a bus ride away from Little hulton. Perphas some of the Topping family are buried there as well.

any help appreciated very much appreciated

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

eglanglois — 2013-03-01 01:48:55Z

Hi there,
I've been searching for your relatives..also hit the wall!
But I did find that Alice's brother John,wife Rachel (Topping) and their three kids came to Canada in 1906.
There is quite a bit of info on them..their deaths in Victoria,British Columbia are online.
I live in Canada..in British Columbia.

Do you want or do you have the info about them?
Do you think there's a chance that Alice by herself or with Clara came to Canada to visit John and his family?
I haven't looked at our Canadian passenger lists yet.
I'll be in touch,
Elaine

census 1911 - brick wall Bolton lancashire look up

andreakkk — 2013-02-27 18:40:44Z

hi can anyone help me - ive been looking for my gt grandmother on the 1911 census for months - but she is missing along with my grnadma !!

i have all the other census intact - except for this one - my grandma would have been 16 and still single -
they were living at 247 manchester rd west little hulton on the 1981 and 1901 and my gt grandmas death record still shows 247 manchester rd - but the census shows them to have moved out for a few years - but where ???

so they moved out somewhere between 1901 and 1919 but then gt grandmas managed to get back into 247 for her last years.

ive explored the possibilities as gt gt grandad lived at 245 next door but he was still there in 1911 - but she wasnt -

they were not at the eldest daughters either as she was married she lived in the same street but there were not there either .

is there a way to look up 1911 census via the address ? the only thing i can think of is theres is a misssspell as this happened somewhere else - also my grandma provides a different house number on her marriage record which is 265 manchester road- 265 Manchester Rd.
- so i was hoping to look up via that address if its possible -

as it stands ive no idea why they would leave that address for a few years - then caome back - maybe they went abroard -ive exhausted all possibilities but again , i cannot pin down anything substantial on the passanger lists and i dont think ill be young enough to sort it out in 1922 when the next census is around

any suggestions helpful

the names are alice wolstencroft dob 1858 and duaghter clara wolstencroft

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-02-27 17:40:54Z

thanks for your help on this one - i think i have mathers in my tree will have to see

if you find any of the following names in that street they are my family too -

jarvis, Grundy, unsworth, as far as my research goes I cant find any surviving close relatives at the momnet to help , all the grundy children died and alices eldest brother jarvis doesnt marry ,john jarvis seems to go abroad and my great aunt Hannah didnt have any children.

the only one who stays put it david jarvis my gt gt grandfather who puts his occupation down as old age pensioner on the 1911 census - bless !!

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-02-27 17:32:10Z

hi thanks for the info - i did originall post in lancs England - perhaps ancestry moved it as they do that somethimes.

Unfortunatley i dont think these wolstencorfts are connected - at the momnet i cant see connection to them. perhaps my family went to travel - but not America - i have no idea where as they never told us !!
sadly there is no-one else researching as all the children died so there is no-one to connect with either

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

djl79ewing — 2013-02-27 15:07:04Z

Just had a difficult job trying to find the message I read this morning on the Message Board. Your original place, UK, England, Lancs may be better.
I have looked up sailings from Liverpool to USA at the time your family members would have sailed. I have found no obvious links, but this is interesting:
Sarah (aged 36), Enda 12, Alice 9 and William Wolstencroft 6 left Liverpool for New York 7th April 1923.....their address was 151 Manchester Road, Kearsley . Any family connection possible?
Incidentally I wonder if in you message board posts there has been some confusion between Manchester Road and Manchester Road West, two different roads.

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

megalley — 2013-02-27 14:59:36Z

265 was occupied by Robert and Elizabeth Ridgway and their lodgers the Mather family. 247 was occupied by Edwin and Elizabeth Buckley and 245 by the Nicholson family.

As you say, no sign of Alice or Clara.

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

andreakkk — 2013-02-27 10:00:38Z

many thanks for that - im trying to put togehter her life - but its possible that she went abroad for a short time as she did go to america for a few years in the 1880s - if i can eliminate where she wasnt it helps

her brothers and sisters also lived in the same street in the same row -

what is that search FMP ? i appreciate your help and further info much appriciated

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

djl79ewing — 2013-02-27 09:33:47Z

Occupants of 265 Manchester Road West in 1911 were Edwin Buckley and his wife Elizabeth.
I noticed that in 1891 Alice is a widow and apparently her daughter Elizabeth and her husband Arthur Holsten Cross, are living with her. Will searching for their whereabouts in 1911 provide any clues do you think?

Re: census 1911 - brick wall

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-27 08:04:40Z

Looked on FMP 1911 census address search and they have numbers up to 242 then the next number is 266!! FMP appears to be playing up and not loading the pages for me to search manually. Off to work now will try again later.

Re: Ronald Graham Wells (1891)

D_Mawle — 2013-02-17 16:50:20Z

Thank you very much, Susan. He was a nephew as I suspected.
Cheers, Dave

Re: Ronald Graham Wells (1891)

susan2670 — 2013-02-17 16:43:24Z

1911 census
Walter Wells Head 49 b Dover, Kent... Assistant Master secondary school
Maria Sisley Wells Wife 46 b Dover, Kent...Married 23 years
Walter Douglas Wells Son 21 unm b Clapton, London...Student (Cambridge)
Ronald Graham Wells Nephew 20 unm b St Leonards on Sea, Sussex...Student (Cambridge)
Louisa Cole Servant 20 unm b Hornsey, Middlesex
2 Park Place, Church Road, Leyton, Essex

Sue

Ronald Graham Wells (1891)

D_Mawle — 2013-02-17 14:55:20Z

He was born in Hastings, Sussex but was living in Essex in 1911. I need to know his relationship to the head of the household. Thanking you in advance with kind regards, Dave

Re: Where did it get the date?

BelleRinger — 2013-02-10 16:27:34Z

The new method of adding sources does automatically enter the full date for the 1911 census, but not for any of the others, which is a shame. But still, one is better than none at all. :-)

Christine

Re: Where did it get the date?

kworden99_ancestry — 2013-02-09 18:01:05Z

Ok that explains it.

Gotta say though that if it does appear on every page then I still don't see it. Here's the page I'm looking it if you want to check -

interactive.ancestry.com/2352/rg14_25387_0341_03/60053671

Maybe some areas put the date on and some didn't.

Re: Where did it get the date?

frithy — 2013-02-09 17:30:25Z

http://www.census-helper.co.uk/dates-of-the-censuses/

Re: Where did it get the date?

frithy — 2013-02-09 17:28:43Z

2nd April is the date the 1911 census was taken for everywhere.

Re: Where did it get the date?

BobNY — 2013-02-09 13:36:14Z

"So you're saying there will be a date on some page . . ."
==========================
No, I am saying that there is printed text in the top box of the first column of EVERY PAGE. In that box are the instructions as to what date the information is to be recorded for. It cleary says APRIL 2.