Census of United Kingdom 1901 - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: meaning of word in 1901 census

jcfl58 — 2013-05-21 19:28:16Z

thanks for the quick reply....I really appreciate it

Re: meaning of word in 1901 census

kobieharris1 — 2013-05-21 17:24:27Z

A Navvy is a labourer , google it & you will see

meaning of word in 1901 census

jcfl58 — 2013-05-21 13:46:47Z

Here is a link to the census page with what I believe is my grandfather's name, William Williams (half way down the page).Under occupation it looks like "narry" or "navvy" - does anyone know what that means?

http://interactive.ancestry.com/7815/RADRG13_5183_5188-0436/...

Help with 1901 Census: Garvey Family

koleary144 — 2013-05-01 02:04:22Z

I need some help. I am trying to find people on the 1901 census who lived in Filemor, Caherciveen, C. Kerry.
I just can't figure out what to look under.
Thanks, Kathy

Re: Help with 1901 Census

koleary144 — 2013-04-30 23:54:18Z

Thank you. That's just the information I needed. Thanks a bunch.
K.

Re: Help with 1901 Census

franmalone39 — 2013-04-30 16:51:39Z

What is the surname that you are looking for? If you are using the 1901/1911 Census online then try the surname and County Kerry. If you believe they resided near Foilmore or Filemore as you have it then try the surname and the DED which is Castlequin. This will give you all the residents in the enumeration district of Castelquin (might be Castlequinn).

Re: Help with 1901 Census

koleary144 — 2013-04-29 22:49:37Z

Thanks for your help. I am looking for a different family and will keep looking.
K.

Re: Help with 1901 Census

djmurphy87 — 2013-04-29 21:10:31Z

Could it be:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Castl...

It's only a few miles outside of Cahersiveen. There's only one family (Sullivan) in the Townland. I hope that's who you're looking for. If not, you may want to check the surrounding townlands.

Hope this helps.

Re: Place of birth - b subject, cabustta

susan2670 — 2013-04-27 11:04:53Z

1901 Scotland census
Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Bridgeton; ED: 2; Page: 3; Line: 1; Roll: CSSCT1901_263

No Image Available

Re: Place of birth - b subject, cabustta

gemmapaterson3288 — 2013-04-22 19:19:40Z

Thank you. I have now updated the subject with the census ref. if you could have a look and see what you think.

Kind regards,
Gemma

Place of birth - b subject, cabustta - cssct1901_263

gemmapaterson3288 — 2013-04-22 19:15:27Z

Hi there,

I was wondering if any of you would be able to advise what is meant by the above birth place detailed in the 1901 census?

Any help would be appreciated.

Kind regards,
Gemma

Re: Place of birth - b subject, cabustta

carobradford — 2013-04-22 19:05:24Z

At a wild guess, I would say it should be Calcutta, but it would be best to post either the census reference or the image so that we can take a proper look.

Re: Children show up with different families?

cgreen134 — 2013-04-21 16:04:12Z

My suggestion would be to obtain the marriage certificate for Albert and Alice if you haven't already. (March qtr 1920 Stoke on Trent 6b 462). This should give you a)a dob for Albert and b)a name and occupation for his father which should find you the correct Albert on the census.

If you haven't got the marriage cert. what information is it that lead you to think Henry and Mary Ann were Albert's parents?

If it's any consolation there are two family trees on Ancestry with Albert Hawley and wife Alice Peck and both of these have different information to each other! One has him born Castleford in Yorkshire with no parents named and the other has Henry Hawley and Mary Ann Miriams as parents, but has him with grandparents and mother Jane Hawley??? in Wales.

Re: Children show up with different families?

thecornflake — 2013-04-21 15:30:55Z

Hi,

Basically I arrived at this point tracing back from known and verified information on the son Albert Ernest Hawley who married a Alice Maud Peck in 1920 and the story relating to emigrating to meet up with Joseph in South Africa, via Canada, around 1928.
I assumed I had the correct parents for Albert with Henry and Mary Ann Mirams\Miriams and was then working back forwards from them to find all of their other children and so on, which was going fine until I hit the 1901 census.

So I think I may now have mixed up the two families, as I now have listed as children for these two the following -

Albert Ernest 1889
Rose Ann born 1885
Francis 1890
Alfred 1893
Frederick 1895
Thomas 1897
Mary A 1898
Ann Elizabeth 1900
Joseph (either 1884 or 1900)
Jack 1902

Re: Children show up with different families?

cgreen134 — 2013-04-21 09:10:32Z

Hi,

There are indeed two Hawley families living in relatively close proximity to each other at that time - both Henry Hawley and Mary Ann Hawley.

One couple is Henry Hawley a Gas Stoker/Engineer son of Thomas Hawley a Smith and Mary Ann Miriams daughter of John Miriams a Police Constable. Married in 1885 Lambeth St Johns.

The other is Henry Hawley a Decorator son of Robert Hawley
(Market Gardener I think it says) and Mary Ann Lorby daughter of James Lorby (Can't determine what occupation is). Married in 1872 at South Lambeth St Stephens.

Do you have the correct family, that is, Henry Hawley and Mary Ann Miriams?

I have traced Henry Hawley (husband of Mary Ann Miriams) back and he does indeed have a brother Joseph Hawley.

There are a bunch of baptism records for Hawley children with father Henry and mother Mary Ann. I can guess at which children belong where from father's occupation and this would pan out as:

Henry Hawley and Mary Ann Miriams:
Rose Ann bap. 1884 - 25 Tyers Terrace - Lambeth
Albert Ernest bap. 1888 - 16 Auckland Terrace - Lambeth
Francis Wm bap. 1890 - 3 Riverall St - Lambeth
Florence Mary bap. 1897 3 Riverhall St - Lambeth
Annie Elizabeth bap. 1903 - 3 Riverhall St - Lambeth
John Henry bap. 1903 - 3 Riverhall St - Lambeth

I'm inclined to think that the others belong to two other families as Henry's occupation changes between Dealer, Decorator and Barman and from Bethnal Green to Kennington:-
James John bap. 1875 - New Street - Bethnal Green (Dealer)
Henry bap. 1875 - New Street - Bethnal Green (Dealer)
Alice Mary bap. 1877 - Henry Street - Kennington (Decorator)
Henry bap. 1877 - Henry Street - Kennington (Decorator)
Annie Eliz. bapt. 1877 - New Street - Bethnal Green (Dealer)
Charles Edward bap. 1880 - New Street - Bethnal Green (Dealer)
William Isaac bap 1884 - Hoxton Street - Bethnal Green (Dealer)
Albert bap 1885 - Hoxton Street - Bethnal Green (barman)

If you believe that Mary Ann Miriams is your Hawley family, then the Tyers Street address could be explained as this is her address on the marriage record - perhaps she went home to Mum to have the baby!

If you want any of this information, don't hesitate to ask.

Emma.

Re: Children show up with different families?

thecornflake — 2013-04-20 21:04:31Z

Hi,

Thanks very much for your reply and taking the time to look at it.

It does indeed seem that the death records match and would explain why they aren't on the census for the household.

I can live with the coincidence of there being other children the same age as Rose and Albert would have been with the same names as they are fairly common names.

However the addresses on the baptism records are different to the address which stays the same across both censuses. I had a look on the map and Aukland Street and Tyers Terrace are very close, and both are within say half a mile to a mile of where Riverhall Street used to be (parallel with Thorncroft Street). And the parent names match.

I think 2 sets of children born at the same time in the same area of London to different families with the same parents names is too much to be coincedence so I guess there must be a reason for the addresses being different. Did people have any reason to give false or different addresses on baptisms at that time?

EDIT: There is also an account from a family member that Albert sailed to Canada and met with another brother called Joseph (who I have yet to get all the information for). I found a passenger record for an Albert E Hawley in 1928, which is when the account said the voyage took place, from England to Canada.
However I'm wondering if they got Albert and Alfred mixed up which is entirely likely :)

Re: Children show up with different families?

cgreen134 — 2013-04-20 16:04:13Z

Hi,

I had a quick look at the possible children from 1901 and I think these are probably with their own families. For instance, I assume that the Rose Hawley you found in 1901 is with Martin Hawley born Ireland. Checking the 1891 census for Martin Hawley he has daughter Rose with him at that time. I'm sure you'll find the same for the possible Alberts.

Have you considered these two deaths from Freebmd?:

Albert Ernest Hawley aged 2, June qtr 1891, Lambeth 1d 319
and
Rose Ann Hawley aged 9, Dec qtr 1893, Lambeth 1d 328.

I checked baptism records on Ancestry and have found both Rose and Albert's, you'll see their full names match the death records. I attached copies of the baptism records for you.

Emma.

Children show up with different families?

thecornflake — 2013-04-20 13:40:09Z

Hi,

I'm having trouble with a family I'm tracing in the 1901 census. The 1891 census seems to match all the other information I already had, but then in 1901 I have 2 of the children missing from the household. Their ages would have been 16 and 12. I know that at those ages they could have already have moved out to go and work elsewhere or stay with relatives because of overcrowding (there are more children born after 1891 that show up in 1901).
So I searched for each individually again in the census and only found 1 record for each - both are living with other families who seem to have the same family name and they're listed as children of the heads of the households.

Can anyone shed any light on this? Maybe it's just me having spent too long staring at records :)

The head of the household for both is Henry Hawley born 1862 and they are at 3 Riverhall Street in Lambeth. The 2 children from 1891 missing in 1901 for the same household are Rose and Albert Hawley, 16 and 12 years old.

Re: Request for 1901 UK Census Look Up

mn6412 — 2013-04-14 08:37:50Z

My gradfathers brother Michael was born in Bohola in August 1866, moved to Lancashire and lived in Darwen. He married and had three children.

Re: Edith Marie Hone

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-19 15:06:42Z

Original image and transcription both have Edith aged 20 (inferred birth year 1881)and described as Worker ( Laundress )

Re: Edith Marie Hone

dianeduvale — 2013-03-19 07:45:42Z

Hmmm, I remember coming across this before but doesn't it say she's 10 or is that possible an error?

Re: Edith Marie Hone

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-18 22:41:30Z

Hello :) would this be her listed as visitor?

Person: HONE, Edith

Address: 1a, Swindon Street, Cheltenham
Cost

PAINTER, Charles H Head Married M 26 1875 Haulier & Carriage Proprietor
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
PAINTER, Annie Wife Married F 29 1872
Haresfield, Gloucestershire
HONE, Edith Visitor Single F 20 1881 Laundress
Harescombe, Gloucestershire
TOMBS, Alfred Lodger Single M 26 1875 Carrier's Carmen
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

Piece: 2460

Folio: 102

Page: 5

Registration District: Cheltenham

Civil Parish: Cheltenham

Municipal Borough:

Address: 1a, Swindon Street, Cheltenham

County: Gloucestershire

Edith Marie Hone

dianeduvale — 2013-03-18 21:19:00Z

Hi, I can't find my Great Grand Aunt on the 1901 Census.. I've searched and searched! I have all her other records - birth 1881 Nibley, Gloucestershire, 1891 Census Culverhouse Lodge, Burghfield with Parents Henry and Eliza, Sisters Mabel And Muriel, Marriage 1911 Tendering where she was living in Waltom le Sokem. 1911 Census living with Husband Albert Croft and his Son Albert in Camberwell, and her Death in Oxford 1966. Can anybody help please?!

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-19 21:56:21Z

I think the best bet is to try and the death cert and hope that might lead somewhere.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-19 21:20:47Z

Re info sent of 1911 census.I cannot see a birth in Burton on Trent for the child. It maybe down to whoever filled in census form (usually head of household)not having correct info.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-19 21:05:00Z

Thank you very much

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-19 20:45:33Z

Didn't see anything on military records that jumped out at me.

Proving difficult as we don't really know much about him.

I have posted a query on another site asking if the electoral rolls for Derby are available on line anywhere as I think that may be the way forward. I don't hink they are on line but somebody may have access to them.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-18 21:48:21Z

I wondered if his war record might show anything, as I know he served in the WW1. I can only find 3 William Hartshorne's on the records.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-18 21:08:54Z

I have looked at this one several times 1911 census
The wife is from Burton on Trent.Its a very long shot

HODKINSON, John William Head Married M 34 1877 Sewage Farm Manager Derbys Bradley
HODKINSON, Eliza Annie Wife Married4 years F 28 1883 Derby Pentrich
HARTSHORNE, William Boarder Married M 24 1887 Waggoner On Sewage Farm Derby Bradley
HARTSHORNE, Mary Jane Boarder Married1 years F 25 1886 Staffordshire Burton on Trent
HARTSHORNE, William Edward Son Of Boarder M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Staffordshire Burton on Trent

RG number: RG14

Piece: 20973

Reference: RG14PN20973 RG78PN1251 RD436 SD4 ED2 SN407

Registration District: Belper

Sub District: Ripley

Enumeration District: 2

Parish: Ripley

Address: Northern Sewage Farmer Pentrich Derby

County: Derbyshire

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-18 17:10:10Z

Like I said, we know nothing about him. He died before my Dad was born and there is very little information about him in the family. There is a rumour that he had a brother and maybe came from Burton-on-trent .

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-18 16:44:30Z

Do you know if William Hartshorne had any brothers or sisters?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-18 16:11:51Z

not too sure wat he death cert will tell you but should have DOB,address,name of whoever registered the death,I don't think his parents names would be on it.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-17 22:36:07Z

Thank you. I think the only way we find out about William is to order the death cert. Would that tell us anything about his past? e.g his parent or where he was born?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 22:20:59Z

On the 1911 census he is down as Thomas William,so that must be the correct marraige that I found,often in families they were christened in full name then used the other name!!!Found this quite often in my own tree!!Also the image copy has been filled in on behalf of them (witnessed) as Charles hs made his mark (probably couldn't read or write!) Also against william it states married 21 yrs ,6 children although this has been crossed through in red ink. It also states this against Isabella in the workhouse although she states 8 children ,6 living.
If you look back into Isabellas tree you will see she had a sister Priscilla! Again names also ran through families!!

Still,this doesn't help us find Wiliam Hartsthorne!!

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 22:08:59Z

But if that is him with eldest son in 1911 he was still working!!!!

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-17 22:06:49Z

Seem's like they fell on hard times becuaes of his sight problems. Very Sad :/

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 21:46:46Z

Think this is him in 1911 with eldest son ( also in 1891 census)The image copy states partially blind which fits with other census.

DOLMAN, Thomas William Head Married M 57 1854 Labourer Derby Breadsall
DOLMAN, Charles William Son Single M 20 1891 Platelayer Derby Little Eaton

RG number: RG14

Piece: 20854

Reference: RG14PN20854 RG78PN1245 RD434 SD5 ED4 SN171

Registration District: Shardlow

Sub District: Spondon

Enumeration District: 4

Parish: Little Eaton

Address: Little Eaton Derby

County: Derbyshire

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 21:39:41Z

It looks as though Isabella and the younger children did. Cannot see William in 1911,in the earlier census he states that he is nearly blind.Census states married foer isa bella in 1911 although that would be written by head of the workhouse so may not be true!

I cannot see a marraige for a William Doleman/Dolman to an Isobella Cross ( name from earlier census where Father in law is present)I can see a marraige for an Isabella Cross to a Thomas Doleman in 1886,Derbyshire!!!

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-17 21:14:25Z

So do you think they ended up in the workhouse?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 20:27:48Z

1891

DOLMAN, William Head Married M 37 1854 Labourer
Cataract Partially Blind Buddsall, Derbyshire
DOLMAN, Isabella Wife Married F 22 1869
Rotherham, Yorkshire
DOLMAN, Charles Wm Son M 0 (UNDER5M) 1891
Little Eaton, Derbyshire
CROSS, William Father In Law Widower M 50 1841 Labourer
Isley Walton, Leicestershire
CROSS, William Brother In Law M 11 1880 Scholar
Carbrook, Yorkshire

Piece: 2726

Folio: 187

Page: 9

Registration District: Shardlow

Civil Parish: Little Eaton

Municipal Borough:

Address: Duffield Road, Little Eaton

County: Derbyshire

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 20:21:36Z

This looks like them in 1901

WINSON, Thomas Head Widower M 58 1843 Road Man
Shottle, Derbyshire
DOLEMAN, Willam Visitor Married M 47 1854 Organ Grinder
Nearly Blind Breadsall, Derbyshire
DOLEMAN, Isabella Visitor Married F 32 1869
Rotherham, Yorkshire
DOLEMAN, Charles W Visitor Single M 10 1891
Little Eaton, Derbyshire
DOLEMAN, Phyllis A Visitor Single F 7 1894
Little Eaton, Derbyshire
DOLEMAN, Hannah Visitor Single F 5 1896
Little Eaton, Derbyshire
DOLEMAN, Tom Visitor Single M 2 1899
Little Eaton, Derbyshire

Piece: 3212

Folio: 218

Page: 22

Registration District: Shardlow

Civil Parish: Little Eaton

Municipal Borough:

Address: Chapel Lane, Little Eaton

County: Derbyshire

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 20:16:20Z

DOLEMAN, Priscilla Inmate F 6 1905 Derbyshire Little Eaton

RG number: RG14

Piece: 20821

Reference: RG14PN20821 RD434 SD3 ED8 SN9999

Registration District: Shardlow

Sub District: Shardlow

Enumeration District: 8

Parish: Shardlow and Great Wilne

Address: The Workhouse Shardlow Derby

County: Derbyshire
Also on the census in the workhouse are:
Doleman Isabella - 42 -married - Born Yorks ,Rotherham.
Thomas - 12 -
Ellen Isabelle - 3 ( looks like Ellen/Helen or Nellie!)
Children all born Little Eaton.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 20:10:19Z

This could be her birth which should have parents names on birth cert.( Iwould order any certs from GRO )

DOLEMAN, Priscilla

Registration district: Shardlow

County: Derbyshire

Year of registration: 1904

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:7B

Page no:590

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-17 19:43:37Z

I am looking for both really, we know nothing about them. Maybe your right about ordering the death cert.
That is the correct Priscilla with Frank, John and Pamela. Would you mind having a look on the census, she what she was doing or any family information.
Thank you
Hannah

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-17 19:22:02Z

Found a death reg for:
William Hartshorne age 53
1940
AMJ
Derby
7B 1037

The age would give DOB c1887

Might be worth you taking a chance and purchasing the death cert to see who registered the death.

Cannot find a marraige fo them although yu said you didn't think they had married,found a couple of births in name of Hartshore with mothers maiden name Doleman,Pamela 1931 and Frank 1934.

Think I may have found Priscilla on 1911 census.Do you want the details or are you just looking for William?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-17 12:46:35Z

Pamela, did you want to try a really mystery family tree? lol
My Great Grandfather was called William Hartshorne he Lived with a lady call Priscilla Dolman who was born in 1904. William had left his first wife and children but we don't think that he ever divorced her to be with Priscilla. He had 3/4 children with her. I believe he died between 1945 and 1951. We know nothing about them at all!
Where do I start to unpick this?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-15 19:07:11Z

Pre 1837 its down to Parish Records. I never have much luck with these to be honest,some are available on line.If you are able to get to the parish then you will have more luck,however there are members who may have the parish records on disc/microfilm.

You can look on line at Familysearch ,its a free site,there are also many other sites.
A good forum site is Britishgeneaology.com a free site where memebers help each other and people local to the areas will have better access to early records.

Always post as much info as ou can when asking for help.

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-15 17:26:02Z

Pamela How do I go about tracing back even further in time than the last census?

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

thethindogcompany — 2013-02-15 16:54:00Z

I am loving all this info. I reported it to my dad last night he was so excited I thought he might be sick! lol

Re: Please could someone lookup for me?

PamelaWagster — 2013-02-14 22:15:04Z

1841
this looks as though they may have been living in servants quarters.

RIMELL, Henry M 55 1786 (job master )
RIMELL, Frederick M 14 1827 Middlesex
WHICHER, Rebecca F 55 1786
SIBERT, Maria F 20 1821
CHARVILL, Ann F 30 1811
RIMELL, John M 25 1816 Middlesex
CHARVILL, Thomas M 7 1834 Middlesex
CHARVILL, Robert M 4 1837 Middlesex
CHARVILL, Joseph M 1 1840 Middlesex
NYE, George M 35 1806
BANNER, Joseph M 50 1791

Piece: 733

Book/Folio: 3/11

Page: 16

Registration District: St George Hanover Square

Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square

Municipal Borough: Westminster

Address: New Bond Street, St George Hanover Square, Westminster

County: Middlesex