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Thomas Boraston 1881 Census

malcolmwilson151 — 2013-04-03 16:21:52Z

Thomas Boraston born Neen Savage 1860. Christened 13 May 1860 Neen Savage, Parents William & Hannah.
anyone have any info on location, I can't find him in Cleobury Mortimer, Neen Savage, Hopton Wafers, Kinlet, Aston Botterell, Stottesdon or Bayton.

Re: Exact date of census

rissabrianne — 2013-03-21 14:57:31Z

Wow, fast response. Thank you so much!! I just noticed I got the decade wrong so will hope your records will still cover the dates. It was the 1891 census and ship list that I am trying to reconcile.

1891 census: 2 Tewkesbury Bldgs, Whitechapel
Severyn Klowski age 26 Hairdresser, born Poland
Lucy Klowski wife age 21 born Posen, Germany

We know that this couple was in New York by the end of that month and the ship record that looks like a good match is the Italia which arrived in New York on April 8th, 1891. I found this on ancestry but it's not the complete passenger list, just the ones who identified themselves as being from Poland, Austria and Galacia which means that I can't confirm it's the right guy by checking if his wife is on the same ship. The name I am hoping is his is S. Kloski, Polish.

Thank you again for your response and assistance, I really appreciate it!

Re: Exact date of census

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-21 14:46:23Z

Just done a little reading on Atlantic crossing times in 1881 - it varied a lot, even on the same ship and same route - could be as short as 9 days, and as much as 2 weeks.

Re: Exact date of census

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-03-21 14:42:10Z

Hello - the census date in 1881 was the night of April 3rd/4th, BUT the forms were delivered to each residence a couple of days before this, filled in by the head of household as to where each inhabitant would be, or expect to be, on that actual night of 3/4 April. The forms were collected the next day after delivery, so it's quite possible that the people in question had a little more time to sail for New York and arrive on the 8th, if only by a small margin of a day or two. Having said this, if they are the same people, and assuming they did board ship before census night, then the form has been completed to reflect residency at the time the papers were delivered. There should be a departure date in the records also..if you want to pm me their details, I'll have a look for you - I have full access to Britain, Outbound Passengers, covering that time.

Regards, Gillian.

Exact date of census

rissabrianne — 2013-03-21 12:06:12Z

Good morning,

I am helping my daughter with a research project and looking for direction. We know a man and his wife are listed on the 1881 census and we BELIEVE we have found this same man and his wife arriving in New York the same month, April 8th to be exact. From my digging it says the census was taken the night of April 3rd but it is highly doubtfull this man could have been in London on the 3rd and arriving in New York just 5 days later. I know 5 days is about right for this point in time but I imagine it took longer in 1881. Was the census started and finished on April 3rd? Was the process started earlier but that was the submission date? Thank you in advance for any help.

Re: Henry Holebrook and Mary Holebrook (nee) Wilson

linchisnall64 — 2013-02-28 22:47:48Z

Hi,

Thank you very much for your help really appreciate it, it has been a great help as I had no idea they originated from Ireland, I found my dads grandfather on his mums side were from Ireland my dad was Leslie Cowley and his grandfather was Hugh Alexander Johnston so there is a lot of Irish which I think is going to make it a bit difficult to trace them. Thanks again for your help.

Kind Regards
Lin.

Re: Henry Holebrook and Mary Holebrook (nee) Wilson

gillianlovell_1 — 2013-02-28 17:40:54Z

Hello ) I believe this is Henry on the 1891 census, with parents and siblings...

Person: HOLBROOK, Henry

Address: 8, Pembroke Street, Liverpool

HOLBROOK, Henry Head Married M 56 1835 Coal Dealer
Dublin
HOLBROOK, Eliza Wife Married F 53 1838
Belfast
HOLBROOK, George Son Single M 19 1872 Labourer
Liverpool
HOLBROOK, Henry ** Son M 15 1876 Labourer
Liverpool
HOLBROOK, Agnes Daughter Single F 19 1872 Tobacco Spinner
Liverpool
KENNEDY, William Brother In Law Single M 47 1844 Labourer
Belfast

His mother Eliza is nee Kennedy almost certainly.

and here is the 1881 return...

Person: HOLBROOK, Henry

Address: 2, House 2, Court Hilbre St, Liverpool

HOLBROOK, Henry Head Married M 50 1831 General Labr
Ireland
HOLBROOK, Elizabeth Wife Married F 44 1837
Ireland
HOLBROOK, William Son Single M 19 1862 General Labr
Lpool, Lancashire
HOLBROOK, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
HOLBROOK, George Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
HOLBROOK, Henry ** Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
HOLBROOK, Agnes Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Lpool, Lancashire
HOLBROOK, Alice Daughter Single F 2 1879
Lpool, Lancashire
KENNEDY, William Brother In Law Single M 39 1842 Groom (8)
Ireland

More siblings and mother is recorded as Elizabeth but same person as Eliza on 1891

Re: Henry Holebrook and Mary Holebrook (nee) Wilson

linchisnall64 — 2013-02-27 10:58:36Z

Hi,

Thanks very much for the marriage licence I think it is the right one looking at it, it seems Mary could'nt read as she has put an X as her mark and her father was a mariner. I will try to get back to their parents I would be very grateful if you have anymore information on them I have found them on the 1901 and 1911 census but can't find anything before that. Thank you again for your help.

Kind Regards
Lin.

Re: Henry Holebrook and Mary Holebrook (nee) Wilson

carobradford — 2013-02-27 09:14:27Z

Hello Lin

If you are sure about your great-grandmother's maiden name (from your grandmother's birth certificate?) then their marriage is probably the one attached.

Hope this helps

Caroline

Henry Holebrook and Mary Holebrook (nee) Wilson

linchisnall64 — 2013-02-27 00:15:34Z

Hi, I put a message on a couple of days ago asking for help about tracing the history of Henry Holebrook and Mary (nee) Wilson,I forgot to include that they were born in Liverpool Lancashire, I hope that someone might be able to help in tracing there parents or any of their family, Their daughter Elizabeth (Lizzie) was my grandmother she died when she was 28 my mother was only 3 and never knew any of them and she is no longer here so would be very grateful for any help.
Kind Regards
Lin.

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

maclennan100 — 2013-02-01 08:30:37Z

yes your aunt is still alive and well.she lives in bridgnorth,shropshire.is your father still alive?
please send me your email address to maclennan100@btinternet.com as it will be more private.

regards rob

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

slm100 — 2013-01-31 23:05:34Z

Hi

Yes my Father is Robert William Woodbine who's sister, it seems, is your Mother.
My Dad never spoke of his family - I have no idea what happened but I do know from my Mother that the Salvation Army tried to contact him but he was not interested.
I live in the USA now.
Is your Mother (my Aunt!) still alive?
I am quite excited that i have found a relative from my Fathers side - it is an odd feeling not knowing your roots.
Keep in contact :)

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

maclennan100 — 2013-01-09 09:31:43Z

hello your search has crossed over into mine.the robert woodbine from dudley was my grandfather and marjorie is his daughter who is my mother.she had a brother but i never knew him and his parents tried to contact him through the salvation army but he did not want any contact for some reason.
please contact me on 07918712285.i am uk based.

Re: 1881 census look up

kimcsef — 2012-09-18 13:25:16Z

thank you, yes i have this- margaret mclean is the mother and father unknown , later peter dutton adopted donald.

Re: 1881 census look up

kobieharris1 — 2012-09-18 08:36:17Z

There seems to be a grandson called Donald McLean b 1875 in Cheshire who is with grandfather Donald in 1881 & stepmother Christina(widowed) in 1891
Could be worth getting birth certificate to see who his parents were.

This is possibly his birth

Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
Maclean Donald Runcorn 8a 238

Re: 1881 census look up

kimcsef — 2012-09-17 18:57:12Z

with thanks! but wrong family- sorry- should have stated father donald, mother ann- ann died in the 1860,s donald remarried in 1874 to christine campbell and murdo not on any census,s with family - except mary macleans census (his sister) i cannot find to see if he is on it as she probably wed and cannot find marriage, but thank you anyway for your time x

Re: 1881 census look up

kobieharris1 — 2012-09-17 17:58:06Z

Is this your Murdo ?

1881 Scotland Census about Murdo McLean
Name: Murdo McLean
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John McLean
Mother's Name: Isabella McLean
Gender: Male
Where born: Stornoway G, Rossshire
Registration Number: 88
Registration district: Stornoway
Civil parish: Stornoway
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 23 Keith St
Occupation: Seaman
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 49
Line: 23
Roll: cssct1881_23
Household Members:
Name Age
John McLean 67
Isabella McLean 65
William McLean 31
Murdo McLean 29

1881 census look up

kimcsef — 2012-09-16 15:25:53Z

can anyone find murdo maclean born 1854 stornoway scotland he was a seaman in 1871 living with his family in beach st stornoway and single, i cannot even find a marriage, with thanks.

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

slm100 — 2012-09-13 15:49:28Z

Thank you so much!

I find it amazing how many people actually have the same name including middle names!

It makes it quite difficult to search. I am also researching my Mothers family - have managed to get to my great, great, great grandfather - but went off track a bit with other people with the same name - think now I am back on the right track.

Thanks once again. I grew up without the knowledge of any of my Fathers family, now am wanting to know where I am from!

Re: Horsfields of Ashton Under Lyne

horsfield2001 — 2012-09-13 15:39:38Z

Thanks but those are not my ancestors. My Sarah Ann Horfield wasn't born till August 30 1863. I have a copy of her birth certificate and there was no father listed.

I have searched the 1881 census every way I can think of short of going page by page and looking at every hand written line I cant find her. The only explanations i can think of as to why I cant find my ancestors is either they didn't make it onto the census, they are there but with an assumed name, or the person transcribing it messed up quite badly.

Re: Horsfields of Ashton Under Lyne

ELLinSpain — 2012-09-13 06:53:13Z

the 1881 census is free to everyone.... no payment required

1871
Name: Sarah A Horsfield
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Horsfield
Mother's Name: Maria Horsfield
Gender: Female
Where born: Stalybridge
Civil parish: Ashton under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: New St George
Town: Stalybridge
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
+
John Horsfield 37
Maria Horsfield 37
Jessie Horsfield 11
Mary H Horsfield 9
Emma Horsfield 5
John Horsfield 3

Name: Sarah Ann Horsfield
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 13 Dec 1857
Christening Place: Stalybridge, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: John Horsfield
Mother's Name: Maria Horsfield

1881
John Horsfield 48
Maria Horsfield 48
Mary H. Horsfield 19
Emma Horsfield 15
John H. Horsfield 13
Robert Horsfield 9
3 Sidebottom St
Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

ELLinSpain — 2012-09-13 06:18:00Z

MAYBE'S

BIRTH
Name: Robert Edward S Woodbine
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Walsingham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 264

Name: Robert Edward S Woodbine
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1909
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1983
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 32
Page: 0024

Name: Phyllis Woodbine
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1912
Date of Registration: Jan 1989
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Stourbridge
Inferred County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 33
Page: 767

Re: Robert E S Woodbine, DUDLEY, WORCS

ELLinSpain — 2012-09-13 06:14:24Z

UK, Midlands and Various UK Trade Directories

Name: Robert E S Woodbine
67 FOXGLOVE ROAD, CASTLE WARD
Region: Dudley
Residence Year: 1938
Publication Title: 1938 Blocksidge's Almanack for Dudley

+
1939 & 1941

Re: Robert William Woodbine

ELLinSpain — 2012-09-13 06:09:14Z

Its highly likely that the above ate siblings - both beiing "Woodbine" with a mother who is a Taylor (no more found in & around that area with that permutation....

highly likely this is parents (on a +/- 10 years of the children being born, this is the only couple

Name: Robert E S Woodbine
Spouse : Phyllis Taylor
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1934
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 2134

Re: Robert William Woodbine

slm100 — 2012-09-13 03:08:34Z

Great, thank you.

Robert and Maureen are my parents so the first link you have given me is correct.

I know my Dad had a sister so thanks for suggesting Marjorie it all looks promising.

I will have to get a copy of the birth certificate for my Dad to check their names.

Thank you for your time :)

Horsfields of Ashton Under Lyne

horsfield2001 — 2012-09-12 16:04:21Z

I am having a tough time finding the 1881 census for my 2xgreat grand mother Sarah Ann Horsfield. She would be about 18 at the time possibly working in the cotton industry. I am hoping she is living with or near the father of her son Henry.

I am also looking for Sarah's mother on the same census. Her name is Maria Horsfield. She would be 38 and also in the cotton industry. Its posable that she would be living with or near a Stephen Watkins, same age.

Both Sarah Ann and Maria where born in Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England and lived in and around there most of their lives.

Re: Robert William Woodbine

ELLinSpain — 2012-09-12 07:12:31Z

If your parents married, then a copy of this certificate SHOULD show his & hers fathers names

MAYBE

Name: Robert W Woodbine
Spouse: Maureen S Bennett
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1966
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 2292

likewise, a copy of the birth will show dad, dads occupation, where they lived + mum + her mainen name

Name: Robert W Woodbine
Mother's Maiden Surname: Taylor
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 8

Name: Marjorie Woodbine
Mother's Maiden Surname: Taylor
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1937
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume Number: 6c
Page Number: 4

these are available, online, @ £9.25 each all inclusive

Robert William Woodbine

slm100 — 2012-09-11 21:13:54Z

I am looking for anyone who has information on my Father, Robert William Woodbine. Born on 8 December 1933 - 1936.

My Father never spoke of his family. All I know is that he had a Sister and was born in Northern England. His family tried to trace him via the Salvation Army but he was not interested in contacting them.

I would love to know where my roots originate from!

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

lulupat — 2012-08-13 20:47:48Z

I'm not sure if Derbyshire records are on line. I have googled but can't find them. His Parish Record is on Find my Past but there is no image of the original so the details are incomplete in that it doesn't name his parents.

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

verona51_1 — 2012-08-13 12:53:36Z

Thanks for that.

On a slightly separate question - is there a way of discovering the parents of someone without sending off for the birth certificate? I'm trying to find who the parents are of John Thomas Berridge Atkins born about 1893 in Mansfield - haven't got the reference to hand but it is on FreeBMD. I've tried various sites for a baptism, and found later children, but with no luck to date. He shows up as the son of Thomas Atkins and Harriet (formerly Goodes nee Reed) in both 1901 and 1911 census but was born before they married in 1897. The "Berridge" is a tribute to Thomas Atkins mother who was Mary Berridge before she married his father.

Thanks again.

Chris

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

lulupat — 2012-08-13 12:39:46Z

I found that too but she was living with him as his wife in 1911.
When you ask your friend about the Crookes she may not know. It could be that the Goodes side and the Atkins side knew nothing of each other. We will have to wait and see.

CROOKES, Edward Head Married M 34 1877 Coal Miner Hewer Holmesfield Derbys VIEW
CROOKS, Edward Son Single M 9 1902 Bradley Yorks
CROOKS, Esthe Sarah Wife Married9 years F 27 1884 Kilton Huntington
CROOKS, William Son Single M 7 1904 Bradley Yorks
CROOKS, Harriet Honorah Daughter Single F 1 1910 Arley Warwickshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 18447 Reference: RG14PN18447 RG78PN1108 RD388 SD1 ED1 SN141 Registration District: Nuneaton Sub District: Nuneaton Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Arley Address: 7 Sunny Sidings Arley Near Coventry County: Warwickshire

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

verona51_1 — 2012-08-12 19:37:09Z

Hello Lulupat

I've just found an Esther S Goodes marrying Edward Crookes - Jun 1913 Nuneaton 6d 1009.

No sign of her on the 1919, that I can see, which is odd. I will find out from my friend, for whom I'm doing the tree, whether the name Crookes means anything to her and let you know.

Thanks again.

Chris

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

verona51_1 — 2012-08-11 07:26:16Z

Hello and thank you again to Lulupat for all the information.

All in all it is fascinating.

Chris

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

lulupat — 2012-08-10 21:10:34Z

I think it now begins to get really complicated although I am not too sure whether it is correct or not but I have a feeling that it just might be.

Fanny Reed had at least one and possibly 3 illegitimate children before she married Thomas. One of which was Harriet Reed born in Glatton in 1861 and Baptised in 1863

name: Harriet Reed
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 01 Nov 1863
baptism/christening place: Glatton, Huntingdon, England
mother's name: Frances Reed
indexing project (batch) number: C02432-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040991

I think that this is her birth registration.

Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
REED Harriet Peterbro 3b 193

Fanny in 1861 showing the children

REED, George Head Married M 51 1810 Agricultural Labourer
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
REED, Susanah Wife Married F 51 1810
Caldecote, Huntingdonshire
REED, Fanny Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
REED, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
REED, Charles Son M 3 1858
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
REED, Fanny E Daughter F 3 1858
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
REED, Harriett Daughter F 0 (6M) 1861
Glatton, Huntingdonshire

Piece: 964 Folio: 54 Page: 10 Registration District: Peterborough Civil Parish: Glatton Municipal Borough: Address: Glatton County: Northamptonshire

So is Harriet Reed actually Harriet Goodes?

And we find this marriage

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
GOODES John Peterbro' 3b 505
Reed Harriet Peterboro 3b 505

This should be her husband

GOODES, John Head Married M 71 1810 Labourer On Road
Spalding, Lincolnshire
GOODES, Esther Wife Married F 68 1813
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
>>GOODES, John Son Single M 34 1847 Railway Navvy
Glatton, Huntingdonshire

Piece: 1589 Folio: 50 Page: 4 Registration District: Peterborough Civil Parish: Glatton (Hunts) Municipal Borough: Address: ?, Glatton (Hunts) County: Northamptonshire

Can't find John for certain after their marriage.

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

lulupat — 2012-08-10 20:30:16Z

This is the 1871. Thomas and mary are his parents but Mary dies in 1873

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
Atkins Mary 42 Huntingdon 3b 157

ATKINS, Thomas Head M 39 1832 Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Mary Wife F 39 1832 Northamptonshire
ATKINS, Violet Daughter F 11 1860 Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Jerry Son M 8 1863 Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Frances Margt Daughter F 6 1865 Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Lewis Berridge Son M 4 1867 Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Amelia Daughter F 2 1869 Huntingdonshire

Piece: 1524 Folio: 35 Page: 19 Registration District: Huntingdon Civil Parish: Sawtry St Andrew Municipal Borough: Address: Owl's Nest, Sawtry St Andrew County: Huntingdonshire

and Thomas re-marries to Fanny Reed in 1875

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
Atkins Thomas Peterbro' 3b 551
REED Fanny Peterbro 3b 551

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

verona51_1 — 2012-08-10 20:05:52Z

This is really good - thank you so much.

Do you have the household of the Atkins in the 1871 census? I don't know how you know who Jerry's parents are unless you've managed to access the information on the 1871 - which I haven't done as yet.

Thank you to everyone who has helped.

Chris

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

lulupat — 2012-08-10 17:32:29Z

This is Jerry in 1881. it says born Middlesex but on the original image it is Huntingdonshire. He is noted as single

HAWKES, Lucy Head Married F 23 1858
Newmarket, Cambridgeshire
HAWKES, William Son Single M 2 1879
Luton, Bedfordshire
STEGGALL, Arthur Boarder Single M 30 1851 Wheelwright
London, Middlesex
ATKINS, Jerry Boarder Single M 20 1861 Striker Blacksmith
Hendon, Middlesex

Piece: 1367 Folio: 48 Page: 18 Registration District: Hendon Civil Parish: Hendon Municipal Borough: Address: (Golders Green), Highfield Villa, Hendon County: Middlesex

This looks like Harriet in 1891

PHILLIPS, Agnes Wife Married F 39 1852 Living On Her Own Means
Lydgate, Suffolk
TODD, John G Boarder Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Whitehaven, Cumberland
>>GOODES, Harrietta Servant Single F 29 1862 General Servant Domestic
Glatton, Huntingdonshire

Piece: 2592 Folio: 76 Page: 1 Registration District: Lincoln Civil Parish: Lincoln Municipal Borough: Lincoln Address: 14, Newport, Lincoln County: Lincolnshire

This is really confusing. I was looking for the Jane Atkins born 1885 in Stilton who is listed with them as daughter in 1901.

I couldn't find a birth for her so looked under Goodes and found a child with Jerry's parents born in the same place at the same time but not a Jane.

ATKINS, Thomas Head Married M 61 1830 Agricultural Labourer
Brington, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Fanny Wife Married F 51 1840
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, George A Son Single M 14 1877 Agricultural Labourer
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Walter E Son Single M 53 1838 Agricultural Labourer
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Benn Son M 11 1880 Agricultural Labourer
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, James Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
ATKINS, Ada A Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Glatton, Huntingdonshire
>>GOODES, Esther S Granddaughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Stilton, Huntingdonshire

Piece: 1225 Folio: 77 Page: 8 Registration District: Peterborough Civil Parish: Stilton Municipal Borough: Address: Fen Street, Stilton County: Northamptonshire

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

Merice46 — 2012-08-10 10:46:31Z

Hi,
I can't see them of the 1881 or 1891 census either.

Regards

Sandra

Re: Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

Merice46 — 2012-08-10 10:35:09Z

Hi,
The couple are on the 1911 census with their children are:-
John T B 17 born Tipshelf Derbyshire
Lewis W N 16 born Tipshelf
George A 15 born Trisebrook Derbyshire
Mary M 13 born Church Gresley Derbyshire
Amelia 12 church Gresley
Elizabeth Ann 10 born Church Gresley
Harriet 5 born Arley Warwickshire

Address 14 Woodside,Arley Nr.Coventry Warwickshire

Ancestry is down so can' look for earlier census at the moment.

Regards

Sandra

Jerry Atkins 1881 & 1891 census - can't find him

verona51_1 — 2012-08-10 09:17:10Z

Hello

I am having a problem! I can find Jerry Atkins born about 1863 in Brington/Brinkton Hunts on the 1871 Census, living in Hunts, and on the 1901, living with his family in Church Gresley Derbyshire, but I can't find any trace of him on the 1881 and 1891 census. I think he married Harriet Goodes in Mansfield in 1897 but can't find her on the 1891 or 1881 either! Any help gratefully received
Thank you
Chris

Re: 1881census McCartin or McCue

johnfeeney4453 — 2012-08-06 22:33:53Z

hi patrick..i was born in buchanan st [bylesin] as we called it.it was number 56 ..when we left that house in 1960 to move down to the {baux] as it was called .it was the mcgowan family that moved into 56 for a few years untill it was demolished in the mid sixties and i am positive his name was andy mcgowan.. ps..i went to st bridgets school as did my 3 brothers and 3 sisters..when at the school we were shown maps of fifties and sixties baillieston and it was spelled as baux..we were told also it was based on a french design along with cul de sacs hope i have helped you in some way

Re: Same Family in 2 Records

bernicewheatly — 2012-07-28 22:04:41Z

Hi,
If you put up the names and area etc, so people can look for it.
Regards Bernice

help locating a census

roxanne1985 — 2012-07-27 14:57:46Z

can anyone help me please im trying to prove someone was related to nother person

long story....
jane flavill/flavell born abt 1837 sedgley cant find in 61/71/81 census or her daughter 71/81
found in 1891 visiting a william guest, with her was a sarah guest (his daughter) her partner james peake and daughter amelia peake
in 1901 jane flavell is still in census record with sarah,james and amelia.

i believe they had sarah out of wedlock as i found christening records on another site,plus census records state she is their shild even though he is married with older children.

if you need access to my tree to see the records i have let me know and i will add you.
im almost certain sarah is th daughter of MY jane flavell and not another just need the other census records to prove it.

Re: help locating a census

roxanne1985 — 2012-07-27 14:57:38Z

thats what i thought but she isnt down as head of the house hold she is down as a visitor

which made me think there was an error either with the address or the relationship

reson i think this is on familysearch sarah guest is christened in 1873 born 1871 to a william guest and a jane

Re: help locating a census

gillianlovell_1 — 2012-07-27 14:47:55Z

Original image of 1891 census doesn't say Visitor, it says Widow - the Guests do have someone marked as Visitor at number 1 with them, Thomas ( hard to read ) but transcribed as Thomas Arche Geoucutt. Census taker has marked end of that household under Thomas's name with \\

Re: help locating a census

gillianlovell_1 — 2012-07-27 14:20:41Z

Hello - 1891 census shows Jane E. Flavill as head of household, 2 and 3 Parkes Hall Road, Sedgley - Widowed, aged 54 .. also living at that address is Sarah J. Peake ( daughter ), James H.Peake ( Sarah's husband and Jane's son-in-law ), and Amelia - James /Sarah's daughter ( Jane's granddaughter )

William Guest and his family live at 1 Parkes Hall Road, a seperate household..where is the connection with Sarah Guest, other than as neighbours?

Here's the 1871 record for the Flavell family, including Jane's husband Joseph, and Sarah Jane aged 2..note Jane E. is given as Elizh Jane...

Person: FLAVELL, Sarah Jane

Address: Parkes Hall Road, Sedgley (* Number 2 )

FLAVELL, Joseph Head M 49 1822 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Elizh Jane Wife F 34 1837 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, James Son M 21 1850 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Betsy Daughter F 18 1853 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Timothy Son M 11 1860 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Amelia Daughter F 7 1864 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Joseph Son M 5 1866 Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Sarah Jane Daughter F 2 1869 Staffordshire
HICKMAN, Mary Jane Servant F 13 1858 Staffordshire

...and the Guests are there also, at Number 1

1881 census -

Person: FLAVELL, Sarah Jane

Address: 2 & 3, Parkes Hall Road, Sedgley

FLAVELL, Joseph Head Married M 60 1821 Coal Miner
Sedgley, Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Elizabeth Jane Wife Married F 44 1837
Sedgley, Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Amelia Daughter Single F 17 1864
Imbecile Sedgley, Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Joseph Son Single M 15 1866
Sedgley, Staffordshire
FLAVELL, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Sedgley, Staffordshire

Re: help locating a census

kobieharris1 — 2012-07-27 14:15:53Z

This looks like them in 1881

1881 England Census about Joseph Flavell
Name: Joseph Flavell
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Jane Flavell
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 2 & 3 Parkes Hall Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2869
Folio: 74
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Flavell 60
Elizabeth Jane Flavell 44
Amelia Flavell 17
Joseph Flavell 15
Sarah Jane Flavell 12

!871 Census

1871 England Census about Joseph Flavell
Name: Joseph Flavell
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizh Jane Flavell
Gender: Male
Where born: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Gornall
Town: Woodsetton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 63
Piece: 3005
Folio: 67
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Flavell 49
Elizh Jane Flavell 34
James Flavell 21
Betsy Flavell 18
Timothy Flavell 11
Amelia Flavell 7
Joseph Flavell 5
Sarah Jane Flavell 2
Mary Jane Hickman 13

Re: Martin family 1881 census

e_tonner — 2012-07-19 07:06:02Z

this could well be the family I'm looking for, thank you.

Re: Martin family 1881 census

L837 — 2012-07-19 03:43:06Z

In the 1891 census, Alice is a widow, living with two of her sons, James and Thomas, at Gateshead, Durham, District 37. There is a death registration for a Peter Martin in the 4th quarter of 1890, Gateshead, age 63. (FreeBMD) There is a death registration for an Alice Martin in the 2nd quarter of 1896, Gateshead, age 64. (FreeBMD) These are possibly your Peter and Alice, although Peter's age is lower than expected.
Linda

Martin family 1881 census

e_tonner — 2012-07-18 10:56:19Z

I have the martin family in Gateshead in 1881, Peter (Co. Down 1819) and Alice (Co. Armagh 1833). And their children Peter (Dalstone 1862), Annie (Newcastle 1864), James (1867 Hexham) and Thomas (1870 Durham).
Note that the children all follow the route of a railway!
Peter is a railway worker, age 62 in 1881.
The whole lot disappears after this.
Railway work is a family trait but can find no trace of anyone after 1881.
Such a common name means it is hard to trace them, any suggestions?