United Kingdom and Ireland - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

UK and Ireland Masters and Mates certificates (1850-1927)

jrmcconkey — 2013-06-03 23:07:33Z

I posted this on the Ancestry Site Comments board - but maybe I should have posted it here:

This database (or at least the portion I was searching) has a serious indexing problem. None of the search hits for my great uncle Henry McConkey associate with the correct image. I eventually found his information (20 pages worth) by hit and miss paging through the database - I finally realized that it is in descending candidate number order. Henry is in the group 035399-035300. I didn't check if the other groups have the same problem!

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

martinhester345 — 2013-06-03 14:50:47Z

Thanks John. I'll give that a shot. Tried the "Report Issue" tact twice to no avail. I've found a workaround, and this is just an annoyance now, but would lke a long term fix.

Thanks again

Re: 1911 infirmity column

CarolColeman8353 — 2013-06-02 08:53:12Z

Well I've just discovered that it has finally becoem available to view.

Have no idea when they actually removed the redaction though!

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

jrmcconkey — 2013-06-02 00:32:11Z

Martin, there's 2 steps to fixing this depending on what your need is. If you just want to update your tree with this record create the male person manually (if he's not there already) and then save the record to that person. If you really want Ancestry to fix their error then "Report Issue" might work but I have had success with "Add Alternate Information". You won't find an option "gender" but just choose "name", leave the name the same and click on "Explain or source your update(optional)" and in the box provided explain what needs to be changed. When Ancestry picks this up they will make the modification and label it "User submitted change". I believe these changes are recognized by their search engine.

Re: Help needed deciphering Cambridge University Alumni record, please.

Koromo — 2013-05-14 09:36:47Z

Richard MORTON's entry in the 1874 edition of Crockford's Clerical Directory (on Ancestry) does have a tiny bit of extra info:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=1548&...

Index of abbreviations used in the directory:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=1548&...

:-)

Re: Help needed deciphering Cambridge University Alumni record, please.

chadwickr1950 — 2013-05-14 07:52:51Z

Some of these may help

BA - Bachelor of Arts (Degree awarded after three or four years study)
MA - Master of Arts ( higher level degree )
Matric - Matriculation ( normally used to show when a person joined a University, from the Latin - Matricula. Little list.)
Ord.- ordained into the church.
C - Canon
V - Vicar
R - rector
Crockford - the British Clerical Directory.

Re: Help needed deciphering Cambridge University Alumni record, please.

chadwickr1950 — 2013-05-14 07:16:23Z

Michaelmas - The first term of the college year, start September / October depending on the year / college.

Help needed deciphering Cambridge University Alumni record, please.

Deeply_Rooted — 2013-05-13 21:49:19Z

I need help deciphering the abbreviations on the Cambridge University Alumni record for Richard Morton, please. (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?x=bfc2707c-1d5d-4...)

NAME: Richard Morton
COLLEGE: ST CATHARINE'S
ENTERED: Michs. 1836
DIED: 22 Nov 1893
MORE INFORMATION: Adm. pens. at ST CATHARINE'S, July 2, 1836. Of Liverpool. Matric. Michs. 1836; Scholar; B.A. 1840; M.A. 1854. Ord. deacon (Chester) 1840; priest, 1841; C. of Barrowford, Lancs., 1840-2. C. of St Cuthbert's, York, 1842. C. of Geddington, Northants., 1842-5. Master at Kettering Grammar School, 1845-55 and Chaplain of Kettering Union, 1847-55. V. of Rothwell with Orton, 1855-93 and R. of Glendon, 1857-93. Died Nov. 22, 1893, aged 84. (Crockford; Northants. Clergy.)

1) What does "Michs. 1836" mean in the ENTERED field?
2) What do all of the abbreviations stand for in the MORE INFORMATION field?

Thanks so much for your time and assistance!

~Deeply_Rooted

Re: export gedcom from ancestry.co.uk

carobradford — 2013-04-12 07:46:44Z

Go to Tree Pages, then Tree Settings. You will find the export to Gedcom button on the right.

export gedcom from ancestry.co.uk

MrsGodbold — 2013-04-12 07:12:17Z

Hi all I can't seem to find this option anyone know how? Thanks

Re: Actual Records not Indexes

Jacki_Donovan — 2013-04-04 19:27:17Z

Thanks for replying, it`s always nice to know when advice has been useful.

Re: Actual Records not Indexes

matgriffin — 2013-04-04 18:47:02Z

Thanks Jacki, that is fantastic information.

Appreciate the time taken to post a reply.

Re: Actual Records not Indexes

Jacki_Donovan — 2013-04-04 17:36:09Z

Hello Matt,
We were all newbies once and I still know less than lots of people who do this! But here`s my view of things...

You can order actual certificates from the General Register Office for £9.25 each.
www.gro.gov.uk

You might get lucky with some parish records which include actual images. But as a general rule the official Government website is the usual route. And cheaper than ordering through Ancestry.

The latest Census is 1911 because of The Freedom of Information act, which was passed in 2000.
This restricts censuses being released for 100 years.
There is a fuller explanation here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_in_the_United_Kingdom

Hope this helps,
Jacki

Actual Records not Indexes

matgriffin — 2013-04-04 17:19:13Z

I'm new to this site so forgive the newbie questions.

I was expecting to see actual birth/death/mariage certificates not just index pages. How do view the actual certificates that hold more information then just the index'es

Also is there a reason the latest Census on here is from 1911.

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

mi2early — 2013-03-18 19:33:15Z

I am trying to be helpful, but it's difficult without all of the information.

If you've found a person on Ancestry's 1911 census index and transcript listed as the wrong gender, then you need to report that to Ancestry by going to the census entry, then under Page Tools on the right of the screen, clicking on Report Issue.

If I've misunderstood the problem, please let me know.

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

martinhester345 — 2013-03-18 17:29:26Z

Arghhh. Not sure why this is a problem.

I can post screenshots if you like, but I'd like to go back to my original post.

There is a male ancestor in the 1911 UK census that is clearly listed as male head of household. Yet, on the index (table listed below and what is in Ancestry.com data), this person is listed as female.

I want that corrected.

Happy to do that myself given instructions, but not sure I have this capability. Would like to know specifically how to correct this obvious issue.

Please give me a useful pointer on where to go next.

How does one correct errors that are not editable? I would have thought that there was an alias for this, or a form, or something. Please be helpful.

Thanks

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

mi2early — 2013-03-18 15:04:30Z

Um, I do know what "incorporate" means, but thanks anyway.

What is needed is to know to what you're trying to add this information. For instance, if you are trying to add this automatically to your Ancestry online tree, your query needs to be placed on the Member Trees message board where members there can assist you. If you are adding the information to other software, your query should go on the appropriate genealogy software board.

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

martinhester345 — 2013-03-18 14:47:38Z

in·cor·po·rate
/inˈkôrpəˌrāt/
Verb

Put or take in (something) as part of a whole; include.
Contain or include (something) as part of a whole.

Synonyms
unite - include - combine - merge - embody

I'm trying to add the information from that 1911 census, but it's difficult when the head is shown as a female in the index. The census is correct though. There is no ability to edit this field, and no visible way of asking that it be changed.

Hopefully this is more clear.

What are the next steps?

Re: How To Fix a Gender Problem

mi2early — 2013-03-15 22:54:49Z

"Causing havoc when trying to incorporate...."

Incorporate into what? Where?n n

Please provide further information so someone can help.

How To Fix a Gender Problem

martinhester345 — 2013-03-14 16:48:24Z

I have an ancestor, clearly male in the 1911 UK census, changed to Female in the index. Causing havoc when trying to incorporate as this person is seen as the "mother".

How do I edit this or get this changed?

Re: old search for lancashire records

orphanval — 2013-03-10 13:02:20Z

hi thanks for your reply I was hoping to have them all under one link ?

Re: old search for lancashire records

smokeybeagle — 2013-03-10 10:41:27Z

Hi,
The "go to old search" is under the tool bar on the right hand side of the search page page (very small text!).

Regards,
Smokey

old search for lancashire records

orphanval — 2013-03-07 15:58:19Z

I understand there is a way to do this but cannot find it Help please thanks

1911 infirmity column

smokeybeagle — 2013-03-05 12:06:53Z

Hi,
Can anyone 'in the know" please inform me when the infirmity column will be shown to the public on ancestry. I feel I must be the only person in the world with an interest in this!

I would like to sub again to ancestry rather than findmypast as ancestry has by far the better indexes for my research, but refuse to sub until the 1911 is complete to view.

Thank you,
S.B

Re: Source Citations

lucywilliams042 — 2013-03-02 10:45:11Z

Many thanks - very useful to know other people are having the same problem.

Re: Source Citations

BobNY — 2013-03-01 21:34:27Z

http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.ancestry.ancsite/12624.2.1...

Source Citations

lucywilliams042 — 2013-03-01 18:38:46Z

Does anyone know where the source citations have gone for certain sets of records - I'm suddenly finding that I can see information relating to the class, folio, or roll number for records like the Criminal Indexes or BMD entries.

If anyone has any information about this, or suggestions of where I can find the details I'm after, it would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,
Lucy

Re: Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Koromo — 2013-02-13 20:46:08Z

"Has anyone found a way to get Old Search in these records?"

Nope!

Well, you can get to each Manchester dataset (which is what I do) but you cannot search the whole Manchester collection of parish records at once using Old Search — damnit!

Re: Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

martinbriscoe57 — 2013-02-12 18:14:26Z

I started looking through them last night but Ancestry seemed to be running a bit slow so I gave up for the night.

Like the Ancestry Lancashire Record Office records they seem only accessible using the New Search type search which is really horrible to use and making it more difficult to find people in the records.

Has anyone found a way to get Old Search in these records?

MB

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)

Koromo — 2013-02-07 19:41:10Z

It's great to see the recently uploaded parish registers for Manchester.

However, I have discovered that all the marriages at the Collegiate Church/Cathedral between the dates of 17 January 1858 and 12 February 1859 are missing.

I sincerely hope this is a minor glitch and that they will be put online very, very soon.

Re: British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 showing as Residence

adamsfamily1 — 2013-01-28 22:48:09Z

unfortnetly ancestry decided to put some of the records they atach to the tree as residence for some unknown reason. if you look at the sorce board on the member trees board you will find out how to change the association of the records.

Missing birth places from Ancestry's 1911 transcription: Bacup, Bury and Ince in Lancashire

michaeljackson117 — 2013-01-27 16:39:13Z

Has anyone else noticed that the birth places of many people born in the Lancashire towns of Bacup, Bury and Ince [in Makerfield] are missing from Ancestry's 1911 transcription database? I've been adding them for the people I've been researching, but based on my sample, there must be thousands missing. Is there a bug in the database, or didn't transcribers think they were real places? Are any other towns missing?

Re: British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 showing as Residence

robbosboy — 2013-01-26 13:15:40Z

This has been bothering me too. As you say, there is a Military 'fact' so why not use it.

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

carobradford — 2013-01-23 20:46:36Z

Your decision will, to a large extent, depend on when and where you are searching. Ancestry has a wealth of parish registers for a few areas of the country (London, Liverpool,Dorset, Warwickshire, and West Yorkshire)but very little coverage of parish registers (which are the building blocks of research prior to 1837) for other counties.

When are where are you looking?

Re: Ordering UK records in USA

carobradford — 2013-01-23 20:42:13Z

Local registrars office are very strapped for cash these days and many do their level best to avoid having to deal with genealogical requests, such as requiring that you supply quite a lot of detail in your application (which, of course, if you had you wouldn't need the certificate!). They are also now slightly more expensive (£10 for the certificate plus postage plus an admin fee for debit or credit cards compared to £9.25 all inclusive).

Re: Ordering UK records in USA

CarolColeman8353 — 2013-01-23 18:41:07Z

Be aware though that many local record offices don't accept credit or debit cards.

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

alanmon — 2013-01-23 17:23:02Z

"I see that the english records visible in a catalog search"

So they should be as they are all on the same servers in Utah....

The UK url simply translates to the USA site.

Which of course is why it's so very slow for us over in dear ol' Blighty.

Re: Ordering UK records in USA

alanmon — 2013-01-23 17:10:24Z

You may also be able to order from the local Registry Office, in which case you may get a photocopy of the original form rather than the standard copies held at the GRO.

Re: Ordering UK records in USA

glowatst — 2013-01-20 22:29:39Z

Thanks for your reply you have been very helpful!

Re: Ordering UK records in USA

JW1578 — 2013-01-20 19:16:21Z

Hi
Don't order them through Ancestry. They are so expensive bought this way. Buy through the official UK government web site http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ and order through that. I use it a lot and have always found it very efficient. I've had a look and it gives delivery times of 7 days to countries outside Europe. Hope this helps (and saves you a lot of money!).
Regards
Julie

Ordering UK records in USA

glowatst — 2013-01-20 18:20:50Z

I've found some ancestors in England and have all the information from the BMD to order their certificates. I click the order certificate form (on ancestry.com) but I can not find an option to complete the form since I live in the USA. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Re: No Enteries coming up, Why ?

Jacki_Donovan — 2013-01-03 17:31:06Z

I`ve recently been searching a colleagues family tree and discovered that signing up for the newsletter (below) gave me 10 free credits to scotlandspeople.com
Useful to get you started!
http://www.ancestralscotland.com/newsletter/

Re: No Enteries coming up, Why ?

carobradford — 2013-01-03 15:34:29Z

Ancestry has the GRO indices, which relate to England and Wales only. Scotland has its own, separate, system of civil registration (beginning later than the English one, in 1855), administered by the GROS (General Register Office of Scotland). You can view the Scottish indices at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The good news is that Scottish law allows the supply of images of original registration information without applying for a certificate. You can get the full details of a registration instantly online via Scotland's People for about £1.

No Enteries coming up, Why ?

stephen_gribbin — 2013-01-03 13:40:00Z

Hi everyone,
I need details from my grandparents certificates (wedding,brith etc,) so I can start to go back further, I have the correct dates of there births & deaths, yet on here nothing shows????????

I am looking for details in Scotland, I no longer live there hence my problem. I have paid money for this!!!!

Thanks in advance for replies.

Searching UK census collection

martinbriscoe57 — 2012-12-30 00:39:36Z

I often use the "Search UK census collection" as it is a quick way for checking just for a surname, place of birth etc.

One thing I still notice is that even if results are shown for the 1911 Census you cannot open them from there.

Sending messages to people on message boards

martinbriscoe57 — 2012-12-20 22:50:57Z

Has the system changed?

One message board is linked to a mailing list that I read. This means that you have to follow the link to http://boards.rootsweb.com/ to reply to someone either on the message board or direct.

I wanted to send a message to someone to offer a section of a map to them but when I clicked on their name I got

"We're sorry, but there was a problem with the request"

I just logged into ancestry.co.uk, went to Message Boards and selected the one of interest and am able to send a message online to the person.

Has this been blocked on http://boards.rootsweb.com/ ? If so then I wish they would use a more constructive message.

MB

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

anc_1_mise — 2012-12-06 12:21:48Z

Thanks.

I see that the english records visible in a catalog search on the uk site are the same english records visible in a catalog search on the American site.

Paul

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

adamsfamily1 — 2012-12-06 09:03:39Z

paul

all you need do is open the uk version of ancestry

ancestry.co.uk

use your log in

go to the home page and you should find

What's Happening at Ancestry.co.uk

look at the bottom of the box and view all new records

on the right of the next page are links hit the ones that interest you and you will be able to see most of the data bases which are avilable.

while logged in to a.co.uk try looking for a few people and see if there are records for them within the area you want then decide if its worth it.

remember you can use ANY of ancestry sister sites with your log in but you can only VIEW the records you find if you have the corect portion in your subscription just seeing if there are any records does not require you to have the correct sub you just wont be allowed to see the full record.

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

anc_1_mise — 2012-12-05 12:25:46Z

Thanks a million.

best,
Paul

Re: What English records are available in Ancestry?

welshladymegan — 2012-12-04 22:12:16Z

There are loads of British records on Ancestry, and to try and list them would be impossible. One of the things that you would need to do would be to familiarise yourself with looking for British ancestors. A good place to start might be on the National Archives site, and there help pages:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

In terms of reviewing the Ancestry catalogue have you tried logging off and then connecting to ancestry.co.uk as a visitor, in order to be able to see for yourself what records there are?

From a purely personal point of view I believe that there are 3 principal on line repositories of information and these are Ancestry and FindmyPast, both pay per view and then of course Family Search.