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Robert Ziegler Phyllis Sullivan baby girl born Alton Illinois May 1955 named mary Ann

Robert Ziegler Phyllis Sullivan baby girl born Alton Illinois May 1955 named mary Ann

Posted: 23 Jul 2014 5:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Ziegler, Sullivan, Cserney, Mabrey, Mc Farlane
unsealed original birth certificate made available by court appointed Confidential Intermediary, states father Robert Ziegler age 21, student Stanford U. mother Phyllis Ann Sullivan age 19, born Denver CO. Dr. Peter McFarlane delivered the baby, May 1955 at St Joseph Hospital. Baby was adopted by Helen Cserney and Owen Mabrey of Amarillo, Texas, career Air Force Officer. Mother may have died at birth(unsubstantiated)

Concern that parents names are bogus. Looking for help from Doctor family or hospital, anyone.

Re: Robert Ziegler Phyllis Sullivan baby girl born Alton Illinois May 1955 named mary Ann

Posted: 6 Jul 2015 8:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi:

This is an outlandish story and like you I would also question whether or not these names are fake. Alton, IL? I think not...unless Phyllis' aunt lived there and she skulked off to have the baby. I searched all over for Phyllis in CO and you have probably seen the one in Aurora, CO, that looks like a close match, but Sullivan is her married name. The only other thing I can think of to break this wall down is to actually check both the year books for Stanford for all the possible years this Ziegler guy could have been there (he may have been a freshman or senior then so the span of time would need to be at least 1952-59) AND in case he attended but did not graduate, call registration and tell them your story to who ever will listen and ask them to check the records. I'm betting they will, especially if you call over the summer break when things might not be quite as busy as usual. I'd just keep telling my story until I got someone who would listen.

Another idea is if she died on the date of the birth then I would call VitalChek and ask them to go to Springfield, IL in search of her death cert. You can typically order a death cert from them online but I always call them because I usually have extra instructions to include, such as she may have died a day or two later and be sure to have the person who goes for me and is standing there to mention this to the clerks who are searching the records. Their url is: https://www.vitalchek.com/

Also, you sound keenly interested yet frustrated. Have you considered using your autosomal and Y DNA to track this mystery down? There's a nifty online article that explains it all at:

http://www.geni.com/blog/dna-testing-for-genealogy-getting-s...

Let me know what you find out or want to try the DNA option and I'll try to help you. I'm a volunteer adoption researcher with 30+ years of genealogy research experience.

Best of luck,
Terri

Re: Robert Ziegler Phyllis Sullivan baby girl born Alton Illinois May 1955 named mary Ann

Posted: 16 Jul 2015 4:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Terri I really appreciate your comments. I just had a lengthy response to you blon away i must have hit a wrong key. We just got back from a 4 day trip in Alton, Springfield, and St. Louis MO talked to archivists in all the places needed, spoke with son of doctor that delivered her. a catholoc Bishop was very instrumental in the adoption. He is deceased we visited all catholic agencies and diocese offices in Illinois and MO. I have done basics on Stanford and am now looking deeper into Robert H ziegler that graduated from Stanford at the right time ...... will send fear messing up i am not a typist.

Fred Schenker freddieschenker@gmail.com
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