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alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 18 Jun 2015 5:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: chadwick
Hello I'm researching Alexander Norman Chadwick born in 1892 to James Chadwick 1854 and Elizabeth Richardson 1875.
Ive come to a standstill with census' the 1911 one he lived in 123 moss st Rochdale under Norman with his father and two brothers Ernest and Robert.
I recently check military records and found alexander Norman Chadwick acting lance corporal queens regiment west surrey 7th battalion who died in Feb 1917 but am trying to prove this was him. There is also another record of a private but no date of a death so am a little confused.
Does anyone have access to absent voters lists as I know they're available in Manchester but am unable to get there. I appreciate any help anyone cna give!
Thanks you

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 22 Jun 2015 8:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
The Absent Voters list for Rochdale hasn’t survived see http://www.tameside.gov.uk/archives/absentvoters

Don’t know where you February date came from?

From Soldier’s Died in the Great War

Alexander Norman Chadwick
Number G/6067; Rank A/L/Cpl; Regiment Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
Battalion 7th Battalion
Birth Place Rochdale Lanc’s
Residence Rochdale Lanc’s
Enlistment Place Rochdale
Date of death 24 July 1917
Cause of Death Killed in Action
Place of Death France & Flanders

The date of death is also confirmed on the CWGC web site http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1606251/CHADWICK,...

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 23 Jun 2015 5:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
On the medal index and his effects record the date is 27.2.17 I don't know whether there's been some discrepancies in the dates or not

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 23 Jun 2015 9:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
You have a bit of a puzzle here. The MIC gives the date as 27 2 1917, the Register of Effects has a less certain 24/27 2 17 while the CWGC and SDGW have 24 July 1917. Now all of these documents were produced sometime after the event from originals that we have yet to see. (Some of the Grave Registration forms on the CWGC site are handwritten originals, but sadly not this one). Having checked that no likely Chadwick is on the CWGC site as dying in Feb 1917, my guess would be that :-
1 You have the right man
2 he died in Feb or July 1917
3 there have been some mistakes while making up the records.
The only way you could clear this up is to obtain the Death Certificate. Not something I would normally recommend as it will tell you very little for your £10, and you will need the full GRO reference from the index to order it. That , afaik, can only be had from the FMP website, which will cost you a few more quid.
Rob

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 23 Jun 2015 9:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Jun 2015 9:27PM GMT
I see what you mean, the discrepancy is either a transcription error to the MIC or could relate to the fact he has no known grave; as both the SDGW and CWGC databases show the July date, that is more likely to be the official date of his death.

Without any service record and/or a copy of his death certificate I can only speculate that the February date was when he was first reported missing and the July date was when he was confirmed killed.
The official date of death will be as per his death certificate that can be obtained from the GRO at Southport see http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp or click on “Contact us” in RH menu box for telephone and other ordering methods.

Full reference:
GRO War Deaths Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921)
Name: Chadwick, Alexander N; Rank: Pte; Number G/6067; Unit; R.W.S.R.; Year: 1917; Vol: I.67; Page 89.

As I was preparing this Rob posted his response.

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 21 Jul 2015 9:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 Jul 2015 9:36PM GMT
Hello.

There is an article in the Rochdale Observer 12 June 1915 which is titled "Recruiting in Rochdale"

This records local men who have enlisted and the regiments that they have joined.

Listed is a Alexander M Chadwick, West Surrey Regiment. I think this is a typo and is probably your man, Alexander N Chadwick.

Mick.

Re: alexander norman chadwick ppssibly lance corporal??

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 9:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Jul 2015 11:03PM GMT


I found the same Alexander Normand Chadwick that is already mentioned.

Alexander Normand Chadwick
No G/6067 (He must have enlisted in 1914)
KIA
Western European Theatre.
I won't put the rest down. It would only be duplicating what you have.

Ancestry has the War diaries- 7th Machine Guns Corps, Queens (Royal West Surrey Regiment.
1915-1919, 1916-1918. These were listed under the search.

His regiment and battalion is listed on Ancestry or the WWI war Diaries. They are extensive and in some instances they list the enlisted men also; but I couldn't find Alexander. You should try to get some definite date; but these diaries go back to 1914.

I didn't have the time to check all of it; but I did check the month of July, 1917 and especially around 24 Jul 1917 and back to Feb 1917.

These diaries are well written and very detailed with a lot of information. You will need time to go through all of the material. They in some cases did mention the rank of Lance Corporal and the names; but in most cases were officers; but in some cases. They had an entire list of companies in the diary.

When you get a definite date. You might get some idea how he might have died. I don't know if I told you. I traced back at least six months before the two dates involved and tried to see if I could find a trace of his name; but to no avail. There were pages wit an awful lot of information written and might have contained two hundred or more words to a page.

You should check it out. It is on Ancestry.

God Bless and God Speed,
Danny

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