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Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 2:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 May 2015 2:39AM GMT
It says on his September 1901 enlistment that he was a blacksmith's labourer, and perhaps earlier in the year he had been, but I think that at the time of the 31st March 1901 census he was doing a different job.

Anyway, if you or anybody else can find a better match for him in the 1891 or 1901 censuses, go to it. :):)
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Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 5:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
I didn't find anything about a purchased discharge on any of his records. The summary that mentions this says the record hasn't been digitized so isn't available online. I do have the records from the summary that says date of latest discharge was 1944 but they don't mention that discharge anywhere I can find. They mention retirement in 1922 and nothing beyond it.
I've attached them.
Kathy

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Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 5:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
As I said above his WW2 record is only available from the MOD.

The Kew record hasn't been digitised but a paper photocopy or a digital copy can be ordered, they'll give you an estimate before the order is finalised.
http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/recordcopying/

Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 6:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Creeden
I have a letter from a relative showing John at home in the 1891 census with his mother, Johanna Creeden, who is listed as his next of kin on one set of his Royal Marine records, then crossed out in favor of his wife Catherine who he married in 1906. His father was John Creeden who died in 1885. His birth certificate gives John and Johanna as his parents.
I haven't found him in the 1901 census. He wasn't at home with Johanna Creeden then. I thought he was in the RM but he enlisted after the census was taken. I dont think the 1901 census entry you found is him. Domestic servant wasn't the kind of work any of the family did. They were labourers and market gardeners. Blacksmith Labourer fits them better. His sister Ellen married a man who was a groom in a stable in The Ham in 1901. John could have been working there.
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Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 6:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Creeden
Thanks! It would be good to know where he enlisted. That might give me an idea of where he was living in 1901. I'll check into ordering the 1901 records.
Ah, I get it now, of course, his WW2 record wouldn't be part of the National Archives records. The mention of the 1944 date of discharge had me fooled. I had looked into the WW2 records but got discouraged by the £30 and because I think they said I'd still need permission from his next of kin. I'm in contact with his grandson who is his next of kin and am not sure he wants to pursue the records. I'm basically looking into his WWI records as closely as I am so that I can send his grandson the set of records that came from the summary with the 1944 discharge date and be able to explain the discharge date. His grandson thought 1949 from the Navy Lists was much too late for his grandfather to still be active in the RM.
Thanks again for all your help!

Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 7:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 May 2015 7:31PM GMT
Anyone can apply to the MOD for the service records of a deceased veteran, and the permission of the next of kin isn't required.

The only restriction is that if the veteran has died within the past 25 years the following information will be withheld unless the next of kin have given their permission for the applicant to access it.

The units in which he/she served...the dates of this service and the locations of those units...
the ranks in which the service was carried out and details of campaign medals awarded.

It's all explained on the MOD link...
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-re...

Being on the Navy List up to 1949 ?,...well do the arithmetic,...in 1949 he would be 65 and that's the U.K. retirement age.

Re: Royal Marine retirement provision 1358/22

Posted: 5 May 2015 8:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks!
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