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Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 20 Dec 2009 12:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Dec 2009 6:38AM GMT
Surnames: Jones
I was wondering if anyone could help me with the personal histories of the poor knights of Windsor?
My Great Great Grandfather's Uncle was the Governor of the Naval knights of Windsor
I found in the Navy list of 1814
“Poor knights of Windsor
Governor Daniel Burgess
Lieutenant William Jones(1)99”

I found in the Navy list of 1835
“Lieutenant dates of seniority 1799
William Jones (a) 28 November”

As well as in the same list
“Naval Knights of Windsor
Lieutenant William Jones(a) Governor”
I was hoping there would be a biography for such people including when they joined the navy, what they did to have this bestowed on them, date and place of birth, date of death and place of burial, as well as some family back ground.
Thank you for taking the time to read my request.
Della Palmer Australia

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 20 Dec 2009 1:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
There appears to be his Will at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-r...

There should me some record in the documents of Dept ADM at the National Archives see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso... and follow the links for more information.

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 20 Dec 2009 10:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
jeff?
Thank you so much!!!!
I had looked on that site but not under wills as I thought they were "Poor Knights" and it was a kind af charity.

I could not get a date of birth or death from the other link.
Not very good on Navy who resigned before 1830.

But have 3 brothers and 3 sister from the will one will be my Gr gr great grandfather.
Thank you again
Della from Australia

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 21 Dec 2009 1:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Pleased you’ve found something of use in the Will.

Re records at Kew. There are a number of records that may yield more data that it may be worth investigating further.

1] ADM 196 RN Officers’ Service Records. Although these are all supposed to be available online at the National Archives, I believe I may have found some exceptions that may interest you.

If you go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp and enter William Jones, dates blank, Dept ADM 196 - 4 records are returned all ADM 196/3 series - that’s Officers Time of Service; Date of entry: 1780-1851, Latest date of discharge: 1857.

Now open another window with your browser [Firefox just click a new tab] and go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/adm196.as... , click search and enter William Jones all other fields blank, you get 37 records – comparing the lists and searching the 37 for records from ADM 196/3 – you’ll find 3 on page 4 [notice the ranks]. So it appears either not all records have been captured in the digitising or perhaps they are slightly different records. Worth checking perhaps. You can either email the National archives with a query pointing out the differences or from the catalogue search click on each record e.g. ADM 196/3/657 Name: William JONES; Rank: Lieutenant. Then click request this and follow the instructions to obtain a copy.

2] Lieutenants passing certificates in ADM 107 or Lieutenants Certificates of Service also in ADM 107, the latter being ADM 107/71 to ADM 107/75 covering from 1802 to 1848. These records sometimes have birth/baptism information.

None of the ADM 107 series can be viewed online so for you it would require the services of a researcher, from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/ scroll down to paying for research and follow the links.

Jeff

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 17 Aug 2010 11:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Jones
Sorry about not replying.
I found the most likely document and ordered it.
Very disapointing.
Vertual unreadable.
Just several numbers and dashes wich did not register as any likely dates of birth or death. No next of kin or place of birth. Real waste of $!
I am sure someone has documented the Naval Knights of Windsor. I thought there would be a book written I could buy or something.I will just have to keep looking and hope something turns up on him!
Thank you for you help.
Della

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 22 Aug 2010 7:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
You would be best contacting;
"St George’s Chapel Archives and Chapter Library"

Read the link below.

http://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/assets/files/Holdings-pdfs/...

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 22 Aug 2010 10:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for that, I actually did contact them last year and got an email back saying they do not have anything! And that the Navy would have the records.
I will try again asking direct for the reasearch guides may be?

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 22 Aug 2010 11:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Research guide No 2 is here http://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/assets/files/Holdings-pdfs/...

Sorry the record was of no use, but that's the problem sometimes they can full of information and sometimes as in your case they yield nothing.

best wishes in your quest.

Jeff

Re: Governor of the Naval Knights of Windsor

Posted: 5 Jun 2015 4:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Jun 2015 8:52PM GMT
Surnames: Burgess
Hi Della Palmer,

My ancestor was Governor Daniel Burgess of "Poor Knights of Windsor"

Feel free to contact me off line: csilvestrin@iinet.net.au (Perth, Western Australia)
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