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Devonport and Cambridge Barracks Link

grahambridgeland — 2013-04-12 11:26:05Z

Hello, my g-g-grandfather John Edgar Ward was an Armourer Sergeant at the Gun Wharf Devonport, Plymouth in 1878 when his son Joseph was born. However, on his sons birth certificate it states the registration district as Portsea Isle and the 'When and Where' as 14 March 1878 Cambridge Barracks.

Searching on the web I've found that the Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth was living accommodation for the military and is now a school but I have no idea as to why the birth would have taken place further along the coast from where the family was based. Did the barracks have a medical centre that would assist with births? Would welcome any local knowledge or suggestions.

Many thanks
Graham

Re: What was a Deputy Comissary-General?

cannasue — 2013-04-12 08:50:34Z

Thank you.

Re: What was a Deputy Comissary-General?

Dannyssmile1891 — 2013-04-12 08:31:30Z

You put in just the info. you have. His first and last name and the day he died and where; but just put in Nugent as his last name. The rest is his first name.

Re: What was a Deputy Comissary-General?

cannasue — 2013-04-12 08:11:54Z

Thank you, I had tried that both on ancestry and google, but could,t find anything, I,ll try with different combination of words maybe.

Re: What was a Deputy Comissary-General?

Dannyssmile1891 — 2013-04-12 06:12:25Z

Do a general search on him. There is a family tree. It has quite a bit of military info with a medal.

Re: Soldiers in Ireland in 1820s

JanOSullivan — 2013-04-10 14:54:06Z

I am still searching for Walter. I found the Church of Ireland BMD records for Bere Island from 1787 which includes British military personnel. Unfortunately I found no reference to Walter but I took all the regimental details I could find. Some of the records included the regiment of those listed as grooms/fathers etc.

1st,2nd and 3rd Garrison Battalion

Munster regiment

Tipperary Militia, Wicklow militia and Leitrim Militia

Royal Veteran Battalion

4th, 6th, 8th,9th, 18th, 19th,24th, 34th,41st,51st, and 70th.
Apparently I need to narrow this down in order to get a professional search done. Any ideas anyone ???
Cheers,
Jan

What was a Deputy Comissary-General?

cannasue — 2013-04-09 15:56:44Z

Hello,
I'm just trying to find a bit of a background for a chap. What regiment he was in.

The chap is George Stephen Nugent Hodges Nugent. I have his death in 1874 in Devon.

But what throws me is that any mention I've found of him says that he was a Deputy Comissary General, what exactly does that mean? Was a he a soldier, if so what service was he in? His son went into the Royal Engineers.

Many thanks,

Sue hogben.

Re: Light Scout Car , 2 Field Park, Erlestoke and Ballantrae

mi2early — 2013-04-04 18:20:34Z

Unfortunately, we can't move a message to an existing thread or I would do it for you.

Open the first message in this thread, highlight the text by left clicking on the first letter and dragging your mouse to the end, then right click and choose Copy. Open your original thread, click on Reply, and then right click and choose Paste in the message field that will open.

Hope that makes sense!

Re: Light Scout Car , 2 Field Park, Erlestoke and Ballantrae

johnwells1954 — 2013-04-04 18:05:21Z

Thank you for your reply, does that mean rewriting it all again, or if not can you advise please how to move it, I am not very techno minded

thank you

johr

Re: Light Scout Car , 2 Field Park, Erlestoke and Ballantrae

mi2early — 2013-04-04 12:47:10Z

admin note:
It will make more sense to those trying to help you if you repost this message as a response to your original thread.

Light Scout Car , 2 Field Park, Erlestoke and Ballantrae

johnwells1954 — 2013-04-04 05:49:01Z

Further to the my previous postings, among my fathers effects were some items from the Light Scout Car Association, plus sme photos with Erlestoke and Ballantrae written on.

Erlestoke is also mentioned in a booklet of the Light Scout Car Assciatiion, and in a magazine article with the other items.

Dads discharge book als says Erlestoke, is their any connection between them and the 60 Special Co in my other post

Re: Looking for information on a Chelsea Pensioner

halpark — 2013-04-03 23:15:40Z

I would suggest that the first step would to be to consult Chelsea Hospital. Records of in-pensioners from c. 1870 are kept at the Hospital, prior to that they are held by the National Archives. If there is a record of him having been a pensioner that will lead to other records, if not then you have quickly eliminated that line of research. Google Chelsea Hospital for a row of links.

Fraser Fencibles

pattihartford1 — 2013-04-02 01:21:59Z

Does anyone know where I might find the names of enlistees in the Scottish Fraser Fencibles regiment between 1794 and 1802? I am looking especially for birthdate/age and place of origin of James Stewart, whom I believe was in the regiment.

Re: Looking for information on a Chelsea Pensioner

ELLinSpain — 2013-03-30 07:20:31Z

you dont say where he was born?

The "WO" reference you are stating is the NA reference not, a regiment name/number

the 121 number: one chap in the Border Regiment - 34th & 55th Foot discharged 17??

another Infantry Brigade Depot (34th) dischareged 1880

a 3rd Royal Garrison Artillery

another 1ST SOMERSET REGIMENT OF MILITIA

??????????????

Re: Looking for information on a Chelsea Pensioner

warncoort1 — 2013-03-29 23:57:56Z

Suggest you first trace his life through census returns to confirm his actual condition.Adding all this to your tree will fill out his life.
Googling Chelsea Pensioner will give you a background of the term.

Looking for information on a Chelsea Pensioner

thethindogcompany — 2013-03-29 15:51:55Z

Hello we are looking for help on reseaching a family member who could possibly have been a Chelsea Pensioner. We think that he could have been in regiment numbered WO96 or Wow121. his name was Robert Wilkins and was born around 1800. If anyone could help it would be amazing.
Thank you

Militia records

pmackle49 — 2013-03-15 16:06:32Z

While researching my family history i came across militia records for 2 ancestors of mine both served in the 6th battalion royal irish regiment. i was wondering where these records are actually held and if at the time of joining would a picture have been taken to keep with records which would be great.
Regards
Paula McAleer-Mackle

Re: 6th Royal Lancashire Militia / Rifle Volunteer Corps. 1878

Morrisind — 2013-03-15 14:13:05Z

Just noticed there was a St Anns catholic church in Ashton in this time period.

Re: 6th Royal Lancashire Militia / Rifle Volunteer Corps. 1878

Morrisind — 2013-03-15 14:00:31Z

Try researching St Anns in central Manchester.

John WAKEFIELD, b abt 1624 Yorkshire, England, Militiary Service-Cromwells Army

coetting57 — 2013-03-15 13:30:49Z

I am looking for records for the above. He is assumed to be the son of John Wakefield Sr and Mary Conley. He is listed in John O'Harts The Irish land gentry when Cromwell came to Ireland page409. The heading for the list is "10. The "Forty-Nine" Officers and below the heading is written "Inrollments of the Adjudications in favour of the (A.D) 1649 Officers (formerly denominated "The '49 Lots): Preserved in the Office of the Chief Remembrancer of the Echequer, Dublin-See Records of Ireland, Marked "1821-1825" pp 610-637. I cannot find records in Ireland-nor can I afford to go to Ireland to look at records-but there should be records in England for military service? I cannot find-any help?
Mixed up with the Civil War in Ireland 1641-a war to recover confiscated lands from native Irish-is the war between the English Parliamentary forces and the adherents of King Charles I and this is followed by the Cromwellian Wars for a period of about 3 years-1649-1652. It is said John Wakefield rec'd land in Ireland for his military service and the list I mentioned above has to do with it. John also had a son Dr. Albert Wakefield, who was a surgeon on the staff of William of Orange on his Irish Invasion to Ireland and after dressing a wound of the King was granted land near Aughrim, Galway County, Ireland. This land and records do match up with the next generations of Wakefields and their family histories handed down. Any help finding records? Thanks, Cindy coetting57@hotmail.com

6th Royal Lancashire Militia / Rifle Volunteer Corps. 1878

digemup315 — 2013-03-14 20:13:26Z

I am trying to get any information on my 2x Great Uncle Michael Gerald Green(e) who served in the 6th Royal Lancashire Militia - Rifle Volunteer Corps. as a sergeant in 1878 and then with the 1st Manchester Regiment from I believe 1882 until his discharge in 1887/88 from the Aldershot Barracks in Aston Under Lyne.Also he married Mary Josephine Russell in 1878 at the St. Anns Chapel. I cannot find any information on this chapel except it was in Aston Under Lyne.Could this chapel been on the army base at the time? Any information that you can give me would be a great help. I am at a brick wall with my family genealogy. Thank you.

Larry Smith

Re: Regiment no: 1702661

Dannyssmile1891 — 2013-03-10 08:52:17Z

I am only adding this. I am sure you are aware of it. There is a memorial at Cardross. It is for WWI And WWII. There were soldiers listed. . The only names listed were those who were a casualty and I didn't see a Mc Culloch. He might have survived that is if he were even there.

I went to the internet. I listed the wrong war. "WWI Cardross Derby." I got a lot of different offerings; but what I did notice there was a street, town, or station name "Derby".

There were a lot of offerings; but I was looking for something more substantial. So I didn't trace it down. I couldn't find a Mc Culloch with that Regimental or Service Number. I was led into several different directions and did a search on Ancestry; but couldn't tie it into anything.

I found one sight . A Burrowhead; but I can't say for sure that it is tied into Cardross; but they required a fee.
There was a ship named Cardross also. Its just not a lot of info to go on. It seems that the Regimental No. might lead somewhere; but nothing for me. If I have some time. i will pursue it further.It also led meto Canada for some reason.

Try to see if that is Barrowhead, Burrowhead or maybe Barrancas. Could you possibly show us a copy or a photo of the helmet and the inside. I would appreciate it very much. Danny

Soldiers in Ireland in 1820s

JanOSullivan — 2013-03-09 12:07:42Z

Hi there,

I am trying to trace further details of Walter Glover whose son was born in Castletownbere in 1822.

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details...

Walter is also mentioned in the record of his daughter's marriage in Killeeternia 1828. His occupation is listed as a soldier.

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details...

Does anyone have any ideas where I might trace any information on Walter. If he was a soldier, what was he doing in Castletownbere in 1822 ??

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Re: Migration to Birmingham/Midlands during WW2

timtracker — 2013-02-24 23:20:19Z

Workers were not given a choice between the military and civilian work.

Men between 18-41 were liable for military service. When you were called up, you went. The only exemptions were conscientious objectors and people employed in reserved occupations. Reserved occupations would certainly include armaments factories, though whether it included the ones your relatives worked at might need further research by you to confirm this.

Recruitment for all factory work was a huge problem. Young men called in to the army were no longer available to be recruited. Non-essential factory workers were called up, increasing demand for trained people across industry. Consequently many women entered in to this type of work who might never have worked at all. Much research has been done on the actual effect that this lack of available workforce had. One effect was to push up wages. This extra money might have been what attracted your family to Birmingham.

However, rural areas, including farms, were also affected by lack of labour, which is why women were recruited in to the Womens' Land Army. The WLA was voluntary from 1939, but conscripted from 1941. I think that factories generally paid better than farm work. So, work as such would not have been the point, but money would.

Of course, we can't know if other things affected their decision, maybe moving nearer relatives, or redundancy due to war dis-location. Many businesses moved north to avoid enemy attack.

Do you know how old these relatives were, or whether they were men, women, or both, who worked in these factories ?

Do you know what they did for a living before they moved ?

Migration to Birmingham/Midlands during WW2

rogerhewett1 — 2013-02-18 16:59:36Z

Some of my ancestors moved from rural Sussex to B'ham at the outbreak of WW2 and worked it seems in armaments factories etc. Were workers in general recruited for this and was there a choice of military service or wartime industrial work. would appreciate any info please. thanks Roger H

Re: Regiment no: 1702661

ycaso77 — 2013-02-17 20:04:44Z

You're more than welcome, hopefully someone on the site can pinpoint if indeed it is a WW2 helmet and number series. You might want to add a photo of the outside of the helmet and the interior webbing attachments, padding and chinstrap to help date it correctly. Here's a site about the helmets styles and series-
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?3380-British-...

Re: Regiment no: 1702661

BrianMartin629 — 2013-02-17 15:22:07Z

Thanks a lot for that! I saw the batch of numbers on the site you gave me. If I make a post there or anywhere elsewhere, I can mention that he was possibly in the Royal Artillery, maybe in WW2. I was surprised to get this information from you. I didn't think anything would come of it.
Thanks again
Brian

Re: Regiment no: 1702661

ycaso77 — 2013-02-17 02:07:50Z

The number seems to be from the period after 1920. It's a good chance its a WW2 era helmet, by the number block it looks to be someone in the Royal Artillery. They were allocated numbers between 721001 - 1842000 and he probably enlisted around 1940.

The folks here might be able to give a little better answer-
http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/research-material/8564-army-num...

Regiment no: 1702661

BrianMartin629 — 2013-02-16 16:01:00Z

I have a tin hat which I bought several years ago at "the Barras" in Glasgow for £20. On the inside of it, scraped into the metal, is the word "M'Cullochs" and the number 1702661. (Probably, his name was McCulloch and he was just meaning that this was McCulloch's hat)

There are a few more words: "Cardross" "Derby" and "Barrowhead" or Burrowhead.

I was wondering if it is possible to tell from only a regimental number and a surname what regiment he was in(?)
I know there is a Cardross in Dumbartonshire, so he was likely Scottish.

I have no idea if this is WW1 or WW2. The strap is still attached to the tin hat. Were the WW1 tin hats identical to WW2 tin hats?

If I could identify living descendants of this man, I would like to return it to them.
Brian

Ancestor in the Royal Marine Light Infantry

KathrynBryant1 — 2013-02-03 20:21:46Z

Hello, my ancestor was in the RMLI. It says on his record that he then enrolled in the Royal Fleet Reserve. Does anyone know please if there are separate records for the RFR?

I have attached his record if it is any help to anyone looking at this post.

This gentleman was married to a lady who then went on to marry my grand uncle in 1922 in Kent. On the marriage cert she is given as a widow. On the attached record there is a date way down the page of either 4 or 14 November 1918. Would this mean he was still alive then as I cannot find a death date for him.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Re: Thomas SIMS, Hougham barracks

Judith_Curtis — 2013-01-27 20:58:12Z

I also have an ancestor who lived at Hougham Barracks in the 1840's but the family moved around with the regiment and were moving backwards and forwards between Ireland and Dover over a period of 21 years.

If you know which regiment your ancestor was with, you can trace his movements through the muster rolls and paylists at the National Archives.

James BALLANTYNE, 39th Highlanders Scotland

kazlovell — 2013-01-27 16:10:36Z

Hi, My Great, great Grandfather was in the 39th Highlanders, he got posted to Canada, early 1840's (no later than 1843 as he and his wife had a child over there then.

His name was James Ballantyne and his wife was named Ann May (not sure if that's a middle name or a nee.)

Is there any way, with this information I can find out where he is from in Scotland ? From there his Father's name ?

His wife was from Scotland also (so a possible marriage in Scotland too)

Many thanks, any help with this would be much appreciated.

Karen

Re: Suggestions on where to find military trials

michaelbartley46 — 2013-01-24 18:00:48Z

Hello,

The National Archives in London still hold the registers of British Army court martials.

See:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/a...

And this part should contain the section for your man:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycatalogu...

Mick.

Suggestions on where to find military trials

amymdell — 2013-01-22 16:28:21Z

I have a mystery ancestor that I am desperately trying to find any information about. I recently received his service papers, and apparently he was tried and convicted for some unknown offence. Would anyone have any suggestions as to where I could look to find details about this trial? I have included the service page that outlines the trial and conviction. William Thornton joined the 109th Regiment of Foot in 1880, and was later transferred to the 2nd Leinster.

Thank you!

Al

Kohat in NWFP India

Terence_Grace — 2013-01-08 21:23:20Z

Hi
Any one know anything about Kohat Army school about 1936/8?
My father went there as a boy.His father was in the RAF
serving at RAF Kohat.Any info greatly welcome.

Re: what is the best source for British Military Postings Overseas 1850 - 1901?

RichardGibbs1955 — 2013-01-04 22:34:21Z

Thanks to responses I have been able to find George (Cornelius) Murphy who re joined the Irish Guards in WW1...his pension records are revealing. They also provide some information on his father Michael Murphy born c 1842 in Cork who was also an army man (Drill Master) and stationed in Aldershot in 1868...is W097 the main source for such records ? as he appears not to be listed...any help further appreciated

Re: what is the best source for British Military Postings Overseas 1850 - 1901?

RichardGibbs1955 — 2013-01-04 16:26:24Z

Jeff - thanks for the advice...this is proving an intriguing search. I didn't know about the Army / Army Chaplian records so I am progressing down that route,

Re: what is the best source for British Military Postings Overseas 1850 - 1901?

JeffH01 — 2013-01-03 16:04:06Z

Being discharged well after 1883 there should have been a record in document series WO97 at the National Archives, Kew; there are two exceptions to that (i) those who died in service, (ii) those that went on to serve in any capacity in WWI.
As I couldn’t find any record in document series WO97 for a Charles Murphy b c1868, Aldershot Hampshire he must have served in WWI too. You should check for any service or pension record for him on Ancestry, being discharged as a sergeant and going to serve in WWI even at home in either a training roll or the Royal Defence Corps he should have accumulated enough service to be awarded a long service pension..

The only way to check his regiment earlier in his service is to trace the children’s birth/baptism records in Army and/or Army Chaplain’s returns of births. They for part of the GRO’s overseas BMD’s; I don’t think they are available on Ancestry but there are a few online pay per view sources and some UK main libraries hold copies. It’s possible they are listed in Non-conformist BMD records as they also contain overseas births/baptisms.

If you had listed their names it would have been possible for anyone with access to those records to look them up for you.

what is the best source for British Military Postings Overseas 1850 - 1901?

RichardGibbs1955 — 2013-01-01 22:32:34Z

I have an ancestor who was born in Aldershot (1868) but doesn't appear on UK census returns as he was away on tours of duty (based on his children's birth places) in Cairo 1893, Alexandria in 1895 and Aden, 1897. His son was a RSM for Irish Guards, and he himself Charles Michael Murphy was a Sargent and Irish but I don't know the Regiment. As he was born in Aldershot I am assuming his father was also in the army which also reflects why he is missing from the 1871 census as well.
How can I track down any records for this family as most typical sources Census, BMD etc are drawing a complete blank?

ww2 special constable records,, are there any?

pok4r — 2012-12-04 14:05:35Z

my grandfather born 1880, was at some point a police constable, i think it was as a special constable during ww2 as hed be 60 years old (he served ww1 hussars) i'm told there were medals awarded to these guys at the end of the war, but if true where can i get that info from, police records in general are locked i think for 100 yrs, so no luck there, medal records i'm hoping,

any body got any advice would love to hear from them

Re: ww2 special constable records,, are there any?

MainsS — 2012-12-04 10:45:04Z

Hi There
I am a Special Constable and military researcher who looks up details of servicemen on the National Records for medal research purposes. However,Special constables medals are difficult as they are not published in the London Gazette as servicemen/MBE/OBE holders are, and your G/Dad would have been locally recruited in his respective county. What I suggest is that you approach the constabulary in writing through the Special co ordinator and ask with full details as full name DOB and what station etc as desk diaries were kept. I hope you do well. Do you hold his long service medal?

Re: CR10 Identity Certificate with Vessel No: GALLAGHER J W H

halpark — 2012-11-20 12:01:40Z

There are a few guesses I would work on. If he married in 1916 as a "soldier" I would guess that he was one of those young men who volunteered for "King and Country" in 1914 or thereabouts. I believe that at the beginning of WW1 there was only volunteering, not calling-up but there was an enormous amount of jungoism and it was the "duty" of young men. Such things as the General Service Medal were, I think, handed out en masse after the war, so a lot of people did not actually receive them until well after they had left the army. Coming from a sea-faring area he could easily have chosen to go to sea simply as a job after he was discharged from his volunteering. If he was described as a "mariner" at death it could indicate he was unqualified crew, but it might be worth looking up Masters and Mates certificates just to see if he appears there. Otherwise I would start with the Register of Seamen and Shipping and theshipslist. Hope this helps.

Re: Military deaths during the wars

65hplane — 2012-11-16 11:54:50Z

Sue

Sorry for late reply, life tends to get in the way of my hobbies sometimes, very inconvenient!

Thanks for your reply, this is my first war death so I wasn't sure where to go. As it was in the army, I guess the place to go would be would be the Service Departments Register as you suggest. I'm guessing they have a website so I will google them.

Thanks again

Andrea

CR10 Identity Certificate with Vessel No: GALLAGHER J W H

littleliz02 — 2012-11-13 18:28:03Z

I would be grateful if someone could explain the CR10 please. I have the document for my gr grandfather Jno Wm Herbron Gallagher (John William Harbron Gallagher), North Shields, Northumberland dob 27/12/18996. It has a photgraph of him and next to the photo is the vessel No: 129772 09/01/1919. I have researched the vessel as "Tynesider" and I assume that the date is the date he enlisted on this vessel. However, as there is only 1 named vessel does this mean that he only served in the Merchant navy on one vessel (I know he didnt pass away until 1961).

I am somewhat confused as he married in 1916 and on his marriage certificate his occupation is stated as Soldier, however I have a copy of the CR10 09/01/1919 and then a WW1 Medail Rolls General Service Medical in 1923.

I cant work out which service he would have been in after the war which means I cant try and trace his service because I dont know who to contact. As it stands I have the following:
1916 - Soldier on Marriage Certificate
09/01/1919 - on a vessel with CR10 then
1923 - General Service Award - Northumberland Fusiliers 2nd Battalion
1961 - Death Certifificate states "Mariner"

Can you help?

Re: Military deaths during the wars

ianthompson171 — 2012-11-12 00:20:09Z

Hi there

I have a death certificate for my mum's cousin who died on active service in Sardinia in 1944.

A copy of his death certificate was obtained from the Service Departments Register - an Entry in the Air Force War Records of Death 1939-1948.

Looks like Service deaths were registered after the event by the Army/Navy/RAF as a collective record.

Sue Thompson Liverpool

Military deaths during the wars

65hplane — 2012-11-09 22:30:52Z

I did check to see if this has been covered before, but can't see it!

When a serviceman dies during a war, is there a way of finding the BMD record as for a 'regular' death?

I have the dates of deaths from CWGC but wondered if the death was registered somewhere.

Any pointers gratefully received!

Re: Waterloo or Napoleon Wars

johnmooney712 — 2012-10-12 08:15:05Z

Hi Jeff, Thanks again for your trouble,
He was married in Henllan, Denbighshire 28 Feb 1817, which is/was a considerable distance from their base camp to go for a weeks pass to get married.
Gaffa

Re: Sack War, England

JeffH01 — 2012-10-05 22:15:34Z

Nothing for "sack war" in England or anywhere else.

The only thing I can come up with are the Sikh Wars of 1845-46 and 1848-49

Do you have his full name?

Re: Waterloo or Napoleon Wars

JeffH01 — 2012-10-05 15:27:50Z

Of course with applications for the medal only being invited in 1847, with the first medals issued in 1848, the medal was “survivors medal”, and NoK were not eligible, so if your man died in 1845 he couldn’t appear on the Roll.

As well as muster books, the regiment’s Description Books are at Kew.

I too live too far away from Kew to make it cost effective to attend in person, but I found I could employ a researcher for several hours for half the price of getting to Kew. I have no connection to any but you could consider that option.

For a the name of a researcher that offers that fixed price package use your web browser to search for “military research on line” or go to the NA’s web site at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ > Records > scroll down to Paying for research

Jeff

Re: Waterloo or Napoleon Wars

JeffH01 — 2012-10-05 12:05:36Z

In addition to the medal roll databases, I’ve checked the actual medal rolls for him and found:

Roberts William; 23rd Foot; Military General Service Medal (1793-1814)
Clasps Salamanca & Vittoria.
No Remarks

Waterloo medal roll 1815
Wm Roberts; Rank: Private; Regiment: 23rd Regiment of Foot; Captain Harrison's Company No.3
No Remarks

There is only the one record in the medal rolls for a William Roberts who served in the 23rd Regiment of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusileers) and as you mentioned him being wounded, checking the WO97 Discharge papers at the National Archives, the only record for a William Roberts is:

William Roberts Born Gwyddelivan, Merioneth, served in 23rd Foot Regiment, Discharged aged 24; dates (served) 1811-1817.

The man in the rolls and the above must be one and the same.

The discharge certificate states:

Born Parish of Gwyddelivan, Town of Carwin, County of Merioneth
Enlisted for unlimited service at Wrexham, County of Denbigh[shire], 4th October 1811 aged 18

Discharged 24 June 1817 after 5yrs 265days service
Conduct very good
Reason for discharge given as “in consequence of Diseased Testicle & Receiving Gun shot Wound in the Left Leg at the Battle of Vittoria on 21st June 1813.

Item reference WO 97/431/150

So it would appear he recovered from the gsw enough to have been present at Waterloo but had more problems later.

Record is available online; from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/ enter the above reference in the small dialogue box upper LH side and click “Go to reference”