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Posted: 5 Mar 2015 11:14AM GMT
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hi can anyone please help i just found out that my grandfather was a royal engineer in ww1 his unit was the inland awaterways and dock companies, it also mention short service attestation can any one tell me what these are and did as seem very littel infomation about the inland waterway and dock units, he joined dec 8 1915 and look like he may saw action in or around the 2nd oct 1916 as these are the only two date i have,
so any info would be most welcome thank you in adavance,
andy

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Posted: 5 Mar 2015 5:00PM GMT
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Edited: 5 Mar 2015 5:03PM GMT

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Posted: 5 Mar 2015 6:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
thakyou for the links and info above

his name was


James T Wright

my maternal grandfather

Birth abt 1883 in Clydebank, Dumbartonshire

Death jan 1975 in on wendesday the 1st of january 1975 at clacton -on-sea


he was with the royal enginner reg or unit was the inland waterways and dock companies short service attesation i think he enliste on dec 8 1915 and i thik he saw action aeround 2nd oct 1916
is number is WR/31482,265013
so also looking for his service recored to see if he was station oversea or was station in this county aslo had a medal roll call it look like the brithis an victory medal but could not make out the firs line so not sure on that, any help would be very much appricate thank you in advance,
andy

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Posted: 5 Mar 2015 8:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Frankly your information is a bit of a muddle, and you're confusing 2 or 3 different people.

You need to recheck your grandfather's details and correct them, and then proceed from there.

You have a service record and a medal record card, which are for two different people, they have different numbers,...also, the 2 numbers from the medal record card which you listed above are misquoted and inaccurate.

The man in your service record was born in 1893, and his name was James Thomas Wright.

Your information for your grandfather lists him as James T. Wright born in 1883 but you have a death certificate for him which says that he was called James Thompson Wright and that he was born in 1890.

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Posted: 5 Mar 2015 9:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
james thompson wright bor 1890

JAMES Thompson Wright Birth 1890 in Clydebank, Dumbartonshire

Posted: 6 Mar 2015 2:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Mar 2015 3:52PM GMT
Surnames: Wright



please could some one do a look up for me as had the wrong person yesterday as some kind

person point out to me, so sorry for the mixture up, i am look for this person Amry service recored,

we belive he was with the roayl engineers

James Thompson Wright who is my maternal grandfather Birth 1890 in Clydebank, Dumbartonshire

Death

jan 1975 in on wendesday the 1st of january 1975 at clacton -on-sea

thank you

Re: JAMES Thompson Wright Birth 1890 in Clydebank, Dumbartonshire

Posted: 6 Mar 2015 7:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Mar 2015 8:02PM GMT
Unfortunately the majority of WW1 Army service records were destroyed in the WW2 Blitz on London. http://www.1914-1918.net/arnside.html

I've had a look for your grandad's service record, based on your corrected birth information for him, but I can't see any service record for him.

On the other hand, if he continued to serve after early 1921, his service record will now be with the U.K. Ministry of Defence, but the application fee for that is £30 whether or not his record is or isn't with the MOD.

However, all of the WW1 Campaign Medal records did survive, BUT, unless you have some reason to know that he definitely served in the Royal Engineers, such as for example from personal family knowledge, his surname and his surname and forename or forename initial/initials combination is too common to find a definite match.

He does have a very distinctive second forename, i.e. Thompson, but the problem is that with medal records often only forename initials were listed, and often only one forename and or forename initial was listed, even if the man had more than one forename.

For example,...John William Smith might be listed as...John William ... John W. ... John ... J.W.

You can check medal records on the U.K. National Archives site at Kew in London, it has a much better search engine than ancestry, and the information is transcribed in a much better way and in a more consistent way than it is on ancestry.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards...

IF he served outside of Britain during WW1 he would have been awarded Campaign Medals.

As I said, his name/initial combination are too common if his unit is unknown, however, if he definitely served in the Royal Engineers there aren't so many possible candidates, depending on whether or not both of his forenames or forename initials were used in the medal records.

Presumably his medals aren't in the possession of his family, because his military details would be inscribed on those.

In later life he was an electrical engineer and if he had that qualification in WW1 it would be more likely, although not certain, that he would have been selected to serve in the Royal Engineers.

It wasn't a legal requirement but soldiers who married or had children born whilst in service often listed their military details on the marriage and or birth certificates.
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BTW, I noticed something unrelated in your information,...am I correct in thinking that your paternal grandfather was born in Ireland ?,...because if he was, there is an aspect of that situation which you might not already be aware of.

Re: JAMES Thompson Wright Birth 1890 in Clydebank, Dumbartonshire

Posted: 6 Mar 2015 8:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: WRIGHT
thank you for the above info and you are correct they did come from ireland,
i know that recored are hard to come by in irledand that way i have found it hard to confirm any info on that side of the family so to speak especial michael gavican ie my grandmother father, , her name was bridget tresea gavican but also had a habbit of swaping her name around round so it read tresea bridget gavican, for some strange reason, she was born in 1875 and marred john quinn in 1905
thank you for all the hard work in looking up,
take care be,safe and enjoy life joureny
andy
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