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Re: Sidney KORN, South Staffordshire Regiment Service Records

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-23 08:10:34Z

PENSION RECORDS

Name: Sidney Korn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Age at enlistment: 19
Birth Parish: Spitalfields
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 10324
Regiment Name: South Staffordshire Regiment

SERVED A TOTAL 126 DAYS FROM 23 DEC 1914 - PENSION FOR 6 DAYS ONLY (SORRY PAGE 2 WILL NOT D/LOAD)

PAGE 3:
HOME (NOT POSTED ABROAD)14 AUG 1914 TO 23 DEC 1914

FATHER ELIAS KORN 67 HIGH ST WHITECHAPEL
MOTHER MI..IE
E. BROTHER HARRY

PAGE 4:
HEIGHT 5' 3½"
WEIGHT 128lbs
35" CHEST
FRESH COMPLEXION
BLUE EYES
FAIR HAIR
JEWISH

PAGE 5
BORN SPITALFIELDS
A JEWELLER BY TRADE
PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT GOOD

PAGE 6 BLANK

PAGE 7
DISCHARGED UNDER.... (AS STATED BY PREVIOUS REPLIER)
REMARKS:
D.O. PARA I PART II 23 DEC 1912

Re: Sidney KORN, South Staffordshire Regiment Service Records

robmoff — 2013-05-22 16:26:54Z

His cause of dicharge is given as 'Kings Regulations 519'. I don't know what that means. The usual reasons are under KR 392, various paragraphs for unfit through illnes, wounds and training terminated as the man was 'unlikely to become an efficient soldier' Someone may be along with a better answer, or you could phone a local Regimental Museum.
There is some interesting detail on his forms, description, parents names and address etc.
Rob

Re: Sidney KORN, South Staffordshire Regiment Service Records

lindacooper1946 — 2013-05-22 12:36:47Z

I am part of Royal British Legion welfare and was contacted by his daughter. As she is nearly 90 and does not have a computer I am trying to find these records for her. She wanted to know why he was discharged.

Re: Sidney KORN, South Staffordshire Regiment Service Records

robmoff — 2013-05-22 12:36:33Z

There is an entry here for his 'Pensions' record that shows he was discharged in Dec 1914 and probably did not complete his training (I did not read all 7 pages). He would therefore NOT have a Medal Index Card.
It is possible that he enlisted succesfully later in the war, but would have had a different Service Number. May I ask where you found his Service Number?
Rob

Sidney KORN, South Staffordshire Regiment Service Records

lindacooper1946 — 2013-05-22 12:36:10Z

trying to trace army records for Sidney Korn army No. 10324 for an old lady 90 years old

Re: 54th Foot - William BURROWS born 1827 Liverpool Lancashire

Trena_Heater — 2013-05-21 17:13:16Z

Many thanks for your help. I'll relay the results to my fellow genie.

Toni

Re: 54th Foot - William BURROWS born 1827 Liverpool Lancashire

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-21 06:08:37Z

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Regiments_of_Foot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:54th_Regiment_of_Foot_...

Re: 54th Foot - William BURROWS born 1827 Liverpool Lancashire

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-21 06:03:49Z

I found 54 William Burrows in Pensions but nothing for the 54th Foot

54th Foot - William BURROWS born 1827 Liverpool Lancashire

Trena_Heater — 2013-05-20 13:04:39Z

Can anyone tell me where the 54th were between 1850 and 1855? Seeking info for a genie friend. She is wondering if any part of the regiment had been sent to Canada during that time frame. Montreal area in particular.

Or where and when he was discharged. His name was William BURROWS born 1827 Liverpool Lancashire. Son of Thomas BURROWS and Mary ALEXANDER. Married 1855 Montreal to Lucy BRUMMELL

Any help greatly appreciated.

Toni

Michael RUSSELL - 8th Foot - Salford Barracks, Manchester 1871

digemup315 — 2013-05-19 18:57:42Z

As per the 1871 census,I believe My Great Grand father was in the british Army. I was researching military records and I believe Michael was in the 8th foot Reg. stationed in Salford Barracks on Regency Road, Manchester. I am confused because the birth dates on the census (1900 & 1910 ) in the United states do not match the birth dates in the 1871 UK census. I know that they came to New York in 1887 /1888 from England with wife Margaret, son John ( Born in Gibraltar ), daughter Mary Josephine Russell Greene and her husband Michael Greene,Children Irene,Nora,Michael and Gerald. Any help apprciated Thanks...Larry

Re: grenadier soldiers - Thomas James Robinson , b about 1857

blaatown — 2013-05-14 17:14:16Z

Looking for info on :
Thomas James Robinson , b about 1857 in County Tipperary.

Joined Wiltshire Constabulary in 1882 where records give his occupation as "late Lance Sgt. Grenadier Guards"

Hoping to find where he was/what he was doing before he joined the Grenadier Guards.

Thanks,

Maria

Re: Re: grenadier soldiers - Thomas James Robinson

blaatown — 2013-05-14 16:17:02Z

Hi,
thanks for looking. I'm guessing he wasn't in the grenadiers for long enough to get a pension, as he left to join the police.

Does anyone know if people joining the grenadier guards had to join for a minimum number of years ?

Maria

Re: Re: grenadier soldiers - Thomas James Robinson

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-14 15:56:22Z

Sorry, there are approx 105 T/Tom/tho/Thomas' born in Ireland about that time in Pension records but nothing for Grenadier

Re: Territorial Army Centre, Gordon Fields, Ilford

marklucy36 — 2013-05-12 21:45:48Z

I was a corporal in the 4th/5th Battalion The Essex Regt from Jan 1962 thru Jan 1967. Sgt Major Sammy Stokes lived in the building that was demolished in 1980. I was assigned to the M.T. with Sgt Mack a few names I remember Major Harris, Major Nightingale Pvts Andrew Morton, John Mackie, Alan Poyntz, Richmond, Murphy Sgt Manwaring.
I would like a list of names and any information on 4th/5th at Gordon Fields from 1962 to 1970

Re: E. BOLAS, 1st Kings Shropshire Light Infantry

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-10 13:06:18Z

no, sorry cannot find a thing in Militery

Name: Elijah Boles
Date of Trial: 10 Mar 1877
Trial Year: 1877
Location of Trial: Shropshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 18 months
UNLAWFUL WOUNDING

1861
Name: Elijah Bolas
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Bolas
Mother's Name: Harriet Bolas
Gender: Male
Where born: Edgmond, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Chetwynd
Ecclesiastical parish: Sambrook St Luke
County/Island: Shropshire
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George Bolas 42
Harriet Bolas 45
Henry Bolas 19
George Bolas 10
Alfred B Bolas 8
Edwin Bolas 4

1881
Name: Elijah Bolas
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Bolas
Gender: Male
Where born: Edgmond, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Whitchurch
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address: Folly Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Labourer (General)

Registration district: Whitchurch
Sub-registration district: Whitchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2670
Folio: 77
Page Number: 17
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Name: Elizabeth Bolas
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Elijah Bolas
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitchurch, Shropshire

Elizabeth Day
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Name: Elijah Bolas
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1880
Registration district: Whitchurch
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1297

SO, dos'nt sound likely he is one of the same "E"

Thomas BUNTING / BUNTON, b. abt. 1755/6, 7th Fusiliers and the American Revolution

curtisandsissy — 2013-05-09 14:34:34Z

I am trying to find information about my 4th great grandfather. His name was Thomas Bunting -- sometimes spelled Bunton, b. abt. 1755/6. He belonged to the 7th Regt. of Fusiliers which was sent to Canada. In 1775 the colonial armies under Montgomery succeed in gaining control of the fort at St. John's at Montreal, however, when Montgomery pushed further and tried to take Quebec, it was a disaster and Montgomery was killed.

At some point, my ancestor Thomas Bunting deserted from the 7th and went to the other side. For a long time this seemed like it was just a family tale, however, I've recently been researching it more thoroughly and have found it to be true.

His name appears in a list of deserters in a book by Clifford Neal Smith. His name is also found in New York on militia muster rolls and I have found pension records.
In the New York military records the information I have been able to find confirmation of his birth and death year, that he was born in England, although it does not say where, and that his occupation was "fuller" -- which I believe had something to do with processing woolen cloth.

I'm wondering where I might find information or records about his service in the 7th. Where he enlisted or was drafted. I've tried the National Archives online, but to no avail. Are there any books which have some of this information? Are there any websites?

It's my hope that if I can find out where he joined the regt. I will be able to find out who his parents were.
Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. :-)

Re: Sgt. John PHILLIPS, 11th Foot Regiment

gburgflorida — 2013-05-08 13:58:29Z

Really appreciate your post.........yes, my couple being from an older generation - it's hard to find documentation. I've tried all of the usual routes online (Ancestry.com, Familysearch.org, various English county genealogy parish records online, hired researcher in the past, etc.

How lucky for you that his marriage at Corfu was on findmypast. I have a current subscription right now to findmypast, but so far I haven't been able to find anything. Very frustrating!

Your post was so similar to mine.....both the 11th foot - marriage prob. outside of England (during one of the postings abroad of the 11th) and not too far apart in date - so, that's why your post gave me hope!

Thanks a lot.

Re: Sgt. John PHILLIPS, 11th Foot Regiment

bmcaleer — 2013-05-08 13:57:13Z

My soldier had a Chelsea pension which was indexed online, and the marriage at Corfu was indexed on findmypast. I kept looking for death certificates and additional census records without much luck, then I hired a researcher. I, too, cannot travel to Kew at this time. The researcher searched the muster rolls for pension payments and quickly found that he died in Scotland in 1850. Now I'm trying to find his widow and children in 1851 without much luck--I think they travelled abroad again.
The officer you are looking for is a generation older than mine. I haven't located the birth records and parents of my couple, I'm still looking. Good luck!

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-08 13:55:54Z

Oh my goodness........not sure what was wrong with Ancestry yesterday not allowing my posts to go through until I shortened them.

I was going to copy/paste the 2nd part of my msg. from yesterday, but I guess when I turned off computer, msg. was lost (when I hit paste........nothing appeared). You just have to laugh sometimes at the quirks of computers!!!

Anyway......will just say thanks again - don't think I can remember all that I had typed yesterday, except to say that I think you must be in England? My mother is 1/2 Welsh and we have many cousins in Wales and a few in England. My dad's grandfather was from England and came to the states at the age of 14 and kept a bit of his English accent all his life here. We love visiting family over there, and they have come here to see us.

Good luck to you on all your future searches.......,

Debbie

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-08 13:55:39Z

sorry, should have said

there are 16 tree's on Anc.

Goodlette Mabelle RYND
Birth 1809 in Isle of Man, United Kingdom
Death 27 Jun 1887 in Newtown, New South Wales, Australia

Marriage to Hugh Snell CHAUNCY
1842 22 Dec — Age: 33
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
according to the rites of the Presbyterian church of Scotland

NSW PASSENGERS
Name: Goodleb Rynd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Age: 24
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Port Jackson, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 11 Aug 1833
Vessel Name: Bussorah Merchant
Origin Location: London

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/12031659/person/-2479860?ssrc=

+ OTHERS

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PHIDECK

http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/7070385/person/-642519862?ssr...=

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-08 13:55:28Z

Wow - I have had subscriptions to Ancestry.com in the past and did NOT see any Tree that gave The Isle of Mann as the birthplace for the dau. Goodlatte Mabelle Rynd. On her death cert. in Australia, her son lists her as from The Isle of Wight??? I will have to check into The Isle of Mann - if true, there should be an actual parish baptism record with a precise date in 1809.

IF the Isle of Mann is correct - that is a bit strange, as the 11th Foot during 1808/1809 were stationed on the Island of Madeira???????? After Madeira, the 11th Foot left for Portugal and Spain where Lt. Goodlatt Rynd met his death at Salamanca in 1812. So, I would wonder WHY??? Harriet Jane would be giving birth in 1809 to dau. Goodlatte Mabelle on the Isle of Mann? One of those genealogy contradictions which will have to be sorted out. For dau. Goodlatte Mabelle to be conceived, Harriet would have had to be with her husband in 1808/1809 - and HE was with the 11th Foot on Madeira? Yikes, this family history stuff can sometimes drive you crazy!!!

Could you tell me just the name of the family tree where this was found: I have a cousin - last name DECKER who is related through Harriet Jane's 1st marriage - and perhaps this was from his tree.

The reason I wonder is because I am the one who found the baptism doc's from Uitenhage for the 2 children by John Brown/e and I gave this info. ONLY to my cousin (Decker).

I think even though the tree on Ancestry says Harriet's maiden name is Montgomery - this is NOT verified - as we (cousins) all have "Montgomery" as the LIKELY name, but NO actual marriage cert./doc. to support this.

Also, even though the tree you cite mentions County Meath for the birthplace of Maria Rynd - we in the family ,SO FAR, have not been able to find actual proof (a baptism record) of this - her place of birth there has just been handed down in the family.

Yes, my 3xgreat-grandmother Jane Ann who married Hugh Wilson in Tacna, Peru - we have lots on her. Hugh was a widower with a dau. Rose and poss. a son from his first marriage to Mary Gaze. Hugh and Jane Ann had 12 or 13 children!!! Many of them were born in Peru before the family returned to England. Hugh was the British Consul in Arica, Peru during the 1830's and 1840's, thus the reason why the family was in South America. Jane's half sister "Maria Rynd" (by Harriet's first marriage to Lt. Rynd of the 11th Foot) also married a Consu - her husband was the Bolivian Consul in Paris at the time of their marriage in 1840 in England.

I will CERTAINLY try to pursue the Isle of Mann angle (vs. the Isle of Wight we had previously been steered to).

My brother-in-law DOES have a subscription to Ancestry at present, so if you could let me know the NAME of the tree which cited the reference to the Isle of Mann birth for dau. Goodlatte in 1809 - I will see if that was from my cousin or perhaps another of our cousins.

REALLY appreciate ALL your help - Very kind of you!

We have most everything else (all census records, about their time in South America, dau. Goodlatte's time, marriage, etc. in Australia, dau. Maria's time in Bolivia, etc.). My cousin and I (both descended from Harriet Jane - he from 1st marriage, me from 2nd marriage) are on geni.com and have linked up just about everything else.

Our main problems were: to VERIFY the surname of Montgomery through an actual document (rather than JUST family lore, and to verify the actual date and place of marriage for Lt. Goodlatt Rynd and Harriet Jane.

THANK you very much - very kind of you to offer so much help.

Best,

Debbie

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-08 13:55:15Z

there are a couple of trees on Anc that state:

Goodlatte Rynd
Birth 1780 in County Meath, Ireland
Death 16 Aug 1812 in Salamanca, Spain

father
James Rynd
Birth 1750
Death 10 Oct 1814 in Ireland

mother
Mabella Goodlatte
Birth
Death

2 siblings
James Rynd
Thomas Rynd , Major 1777 – 1848

**********
married

Harriet Jane Montgomery

2 children

Goodlatte Mabelle Rynd
Birth abt 1809 in Isle of Man, United Kingdom
Death 27 Jun 1887 in Elmore, NSW, Australia

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Maria Rynd
Birth abt 1812 in County Meath, Ireland
Death 1886-08-31 in La Paz, Murillo, Bolivia

*************
she married
John Browne & had

John Henry Temple Terrens Browne
Birth 1816 Sep 28 in Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Death
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Jane Ann Browne (who married a Hugh Wilson 1804-1871)
Birth 25 Dec 1819 in Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
Death Q2 1905 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Baptism
1820 9 Jul
Uitenhage, Eastern Cape, South Africa
Rev. Cornelius Mol

Marriage to Hugh Wilson Jr.
1841 28 Nov — Age: 21
Tacna, Tacna, Peru

THEN FOUND

1871
Hugh Wilson 67 b Wigton, Cumberland
Jane Ann Wilson 51 b Cape of Good, Hope
Mary Ann Wilson 24
Francis D Wilson 14
Josephine Wilson 8
Carle Hemcoke Wilson 25
Civil parish: Liscard
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey

Name: Hugh Wilson
Probate Date: 8 May 1875
Death Date: 7 Feb 1875
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Cheshire, England
EFFECTS OF HUGH LATE OF MAGAZINE PARK, NEW BRIGHTON, CHESTER - A GENTLEMAN GRANTED TO JANE ANN WILSON OF SAME ADDRESS THE RELICT

Name: Jane Ann Wilson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1905
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 326

so, maybe that will help....

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-08 13:53:49Z

I have been trying for about an hour to post a reply to your new msg's.

For some reason, I keep getting a msg. saying it can't post. I have tried to reply back on several diff. posts of yours, and none of mine are allowed through? I have copied my original msg. and will try to post it to you tomorrow - hope it will work then.

Of course, my post was in thanks for your new items, etc.

I'll try again tomorrow - perhaps this shorter post will get sent???

Debbie

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-08 13:52:09Z

SOME BITS

Name: Maria Rynd
Spouse Name: Pedro Jose Deguerras
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 May 1840
Parish: Camberwell St George
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Goodlette Rynd
Spouse Father Name: Jose Deguerras
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Goodleb Rynd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Age: 24
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Port Jackson, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 11 Aug 1833
Vessel Name: Bussorah Merchant
Origin Location: London

Name: Goodlatte M S Chauncy
Death Date: 1887
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's Name: Goodlette
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Newtown, New South Wales
Registration number: 3743

New South Wales, Australia, Police Gazettes, 1854-1930
Name: Mrs G M Snell Chauncy
Event Place: Paddington, New South Wales, Australia
Event Type: Other
Publication Date: 7 Apr 1859

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=...

Name: Goodlett M Rynd
Spouse Name: Hugh S Chauncey
Marriage Date: 1842
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1842
Volume Number: V B

11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt RYND marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-08 13:49:09Z

I am trying to track down a marriage of a Lt. Goodlatt Rynd (born in Ireland c.1780) who served with the 11th Foot from 1806 until 1812 when he was killed at the Battle of Salamanca.

He left a wife and 2 children when he died - his 2 children were born c.1809 and c.1812 either in Ireland or in one of the places where the 11th foot would have been stationed during those dates. His widow is my direct ancestor. She later remarried and had 2 more children by her 2nd husband - I descend from the dau. of this 2nd marriage.

My problem: I have the marriage record of her 2nd marriage to John Brown/e (in 1815 London), however, because she was a widow at the time of the marriage, her name on the marriage doc. lists her as: Harriet Jane Rynd (widow) - thus, it does NOT give me her maiden name which I need to trace her line. Since I need her maiden name to do more research on this branch of my family, I need to find evidence of her 1st marriage to Goodlatt Rynd - where her maiden name would be listed.

Because her first child by Lt. Goodlatt Rynd was born c.1809, I would be looking for his marriage to Harriet Jane in the time period just before 1809. In 1809, Goodlatt had already served with the 11th foot for 3 years, and he remained with the 11th until his death at the battle of Salamanca in 1812.

Harriet Jane later received a widow's pension from the Army based on Goodlatt's service, so she must have presented some form of proof? of her marriage to him. I have hit a dead end on this and would appreciate any help/suggestions.

Harriet Jane's maiden name might??? have been "Montgomery" or "Temple". Family lore says she was in some way related to Lord Palmerston (in fact she named her son by her 2nd marriage after Palmerston - her son's name was "John Henry Temple Torrens Brown/e" which seems to lend some credence to the possibility of a relation with Lord Palmerston). I have tried to follow this poss. path to her maiden name, but again, I have found nothing so far.

I am in the USA, so cannot travel directly to The National Archives, Kew or some other place directly. I have paid for some research in the past, but costs for professional research has skyrocketed to prohibited amounts at this time.

Thanking any and all who may see this post and offer ideas or avenues which I could explore to track down the marriage for LT. GOODLATT RYND (11th Regiment of Foot) and his wife, HARRIET JANE (maiden name poss. Montgomery, Temple, or???). Harriet Jane is my 4xgreat-grandmother.

Many thanks,

Debbie Frickie
Florida, USA

Re: 16th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers WW One

uldbones — 2013-05-08 13:47:03Z

Ian,

Thanks for your help, I've found that small bits of info' can lead to lot! more info'.

As you have said injuries would be a cause for changing Battalions as there is no family knowledge of changing Battalions until the purchase of the Certificates this year.

Family belief was that he was invalided out at the start of the War. Injuries were from, (a horse falling onto him in a shell hole & being gassed at the same time). He had only one lung as a result.

*Did the 16th NF have any attacks before the Thiepval Somme France where he may of been injured.
A Birth Cert' dated 24 Jul 1916 has Northumberland Fusiliers. The change from the NF to the 11th DLI occurred between Feb 1917 & Feb 1918 from the Certificates, so he was most likely recovering from his injuries in this time span.

Something that may be of interest in regards to War memorabilia, William was known to have a metal spoon with his service number engraved on it (whereabouts now unknown), maybe issued from either the NF or the DLI.

Many thanks for your help,
Michele

Re: Sgt. John PHILLIPS, 11th Foot Regiment

gburgflorida — 2013-05-06 14:35:50Z

Thanks.......no, I won't give up - you never know when the very record you need will suddenly show up online.

I recently found a marriage record for my family after looking for it for 25 years!

Good luck with your searches.

Debbie

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt Rynd marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-06 01:09:51Z

Seems like my shorter post went through, so I'll try again to post my longer post (I'll break into two parts, perhaps this way it will go through).

(First part of msg.)

Thank you for all your new msg's that were waiting for me. I just got home a short time ago (went to see my 87 year old mother who is in assisted living up in Daytona Beach, about a 35 min. drive from me). I spent several hours visiting her, so please forgive me for not getting back to you sooner.

One of the trees you cite is from my cousin. I will have to check the other one out next week when I visit my sister and b-in-law who do have an Ancestry subscription.

My cousin did send me the marriage doc. between Maria Rynd and Pedro Jose de Guerra (he was the Bolivian Consul I mentioned). My 3xgreat-grandmother Jane Ann and her brother John Henry Temple Torrens Browne are the witnesses on the cert. for their 1/2 sister Maria. We also have a London Times snippet which states that Maria was given away by her brother. Not sure if Harriet Jane was still alive in 1840 when Maria married.

Sadly, my 4xgreat-grandfather John Browne (Harriet's 2nd husband) died in March 1823 in Gambia of the yellow fever epidemic. He had been posted to Sierra Leone, but had gone up to Bathurst on the Gambia for business and died there. He was an Officer of the Commissariat Dept. and had previously been posted at the Cape Town, Algoa Bay, etc. - thus, the reason why Jane Ann and her brother were born in South Africa.

Fingers crossed the above goes through to you - if it does, will post 2nd half shortly. -Debbie-

Re: Sgt. John PHILLIPS, 11th Foot Regiment

bmcaleer — 2013-05-05 20:21:03Z

Don't give up!

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt Rynd marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-05 14:55:52Z

I also have the baptismal records for Harriet Jane's two children by her 2nd husband.......but again, her name on the document is just listed as "Harriet Jane" - no maiden name is given.

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt Rynd marriage c.1800-1812

gburgflorida — 2013-05-05 14:44:22Z

Hi........many thanks for your post and mentions of Lt. Goodlatt Rynd having been with the 100th and the 96th prior to the 11th Regiment of Foot.

We were aware of these earlier postings, however, the dates of his childrens' births c.1809 and c.1812 were well into his service with the 11th Foot. He served with the 11th Foot from March 1806 till his death at Salamanca in 1812.

Back in the 1800's the birth of a first child usually happened within one or two years of marriage - thus, we think??? the marriage would have taken place during his time with the 11th Foot - most likely married in 1807-1809.

There is the possibility, of course, of a child we don't know about born prior to 1809 (perhaps that died young). In that case, the marriage might have taken place earlier?

Thank you so much........

Debbie

Re: 11th Regiment of Foot - Lt. Goodlatt Rynd marriage c.1800-1812

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-05 05:47:31Z

Newspaper
WAR-OFFICE— Oct. 8.
purce alfe-Goodlatt Rynd, . vice Otwar, promoted in the14th foot; ...

Caledonian Mercury
Lothian, Scotland
14/10/1805

WAR-OFFICE—March 8. 1806.

11th Regiemnt of foot, lieutenant Goodlatt Rynd, from the 100th foot to be lieutenant, without purchase, vice Davies, promoted in the. i5th Toot.

Caledonian Mercury
Lothian, Scotland
24/03/1806

Article

Re: Sgt. John PHILLIPS, 11th Foot Regiment

gburgflorida — 2013-05-04 17:00:25Z

I was very interested to find/read your posts regarding your ancestor who served in the 11th Regiment of Foot. I was also interested to see that you were able to track down his marriage on Corfu.

I am trying to track down a marriage of a Lt. Goodlatt Rynd (born in Ireland c.1780) who served with the 11th Foot from 1806 until 1812 when he was killed at the Battle of Salamanca.

He left a wife and 2 children when he died - his 2 children were born c.1809 and c.1812 either in Ireland or in one of the places where the 11th foot would have been stationed during those dates. His widow is my direct ancestor. She later remarried and had 2 more children by her 2nd husband - I descend from the dau. of this 2nd marriage.

My problem: I have the marriage record of her 2nd marriage to John Brown/e (in 1815 London), however, because she was a widow at the time of the marriage, her name on the marriage doc. lists her as: Harriet Jane Rynd (widow) - thus, it does NOT give me her maiden name which I need to trace her line. Since I need her maiden name to do more research on this branch of my family, I need to find evidence of her 1st marriage to Goodlatt Rynd - where her maiden name would be listed.

Because her first child by Lt. Goodlatt Rynd was born c.1809, I would be looking for his marriage to Harriet Jane in the time period just before 1809. In 1809, Goodlatt had already served with the 11th foot for 3 years, and he remained with the 11th until his death at the battle of Salamanca in 1812.

Harriet Jane later received a widow's pension from the Army based on Goodlatt's service, so she must have presented some form of proof? of her marriage to him. I have hit a dead end on this and would appreciate any help/suggestions.

Harriet Jane's maiden name might??? have been "Montgomery" or "Temple". Family lore says she was in some way related to Lord Palmerston (in fact she named her son by her 2nd marriage after Palmerston - her son's name was "John Henry Temple Torrens Brown/e" which seems to lend some credence to the possibility of a relation with Lord Palmerston). I have tried to follow this poss. path to her maiden name, but again, I have found nothing so far.

I am in the USA, so cannot travel directly to The National Archives, Kew or some other place directly. I have paid for some research in the past, but costs for professional research has skyrocketed to prohibited amounts at this time.

Thanking any and all who may see this post and offer ideas or avenues which I could explore to track down the marriage for LT. GOODLATT RYND (11th Regiment of Foot) and his wife, HARRIET JANE (maiden name poss. Montgomery, Temple, or???). Harriet Jane is my 4xgreat-grandmother.

Many thanks,

Debbie Frickie
Florida, USA

Re: help - army service of john steven BLANEY, black watch, seaforth highlanders

blawrence54 — 2013-05-03 19:16:52Z

Hi I am Brian Lawrence I don't know if you got last message but yes would like to be in touch I am not on ancestry at the moment but email is brian826@btinternet.i think we have a lot in common I think last time saw you at albys funeral

Re: henry STANLEY, Sargeant in the Royal Artillery in 1881 at Fort Hubberston

edpest — 2013-04-29 03:20:31Z

Thank you for your reply to my above query. I will chase these up and hopefully will find what I am looking for. Thank you again.

Pam

Re: 16th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers WW One

IanJohnson90 — 2013-04-28 18:20:18Z

Hello,
Thanks for the info and photo of Henry Maddison, strangely my Aunt Betty Stewart from the Scotswood area of Newcastle married (early fifties) a Tommy Maddison, both have now passed away.
I would love to have a copy of the photo oh Henry before he went off to war, if possible can you e mail it to me
budatwillieswell@hotmail.com
Once again thanks
Ian

Re: 16th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers WW One

sna130 — 2013-04-28 05:11:58Z

Ian

I was wondering how the research was progressing. I posted to you a little while ago regarding my Great Grandfather Henry Maddison who I believe served in the 16th. I have attached a copy of a clipping from a newspaper of hime as well as the embarkation rolls (which you probably have) His number is 16/1436.

Re: henry STANLEY, Sargeant in the Royal Artillery in 1881 at Fort Hubberston

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-28 04:39:44Z

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First name(s): H

Last name: STANLEY

Calculated year of birth: ?

Parish of birth: -

Town of birth: -

County of birth: -

Age at attestation:

Discharge date: - 1886

Attestation corps: -

Attestation soldier number:27260

Discharge rank: -

Discharge corps: Royal Artillery

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO121 / 256 / 1

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First name(s): H

Last name: STANLEY

Calculated year of birth: ?

Parish of birth: -

Town of birth: -

County of birth: -

Age at attestation:

Discharge date: - 1887

Attestation corps: -

Attestation soldier number:10372

Discharge rank: -

Discharge corps: Royal Artillery

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO121 / 257 / 1

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First name(s): Henry

Last name: STANLEY

Calculated year of birth: ?

Parish of birth: -

Town of birth: -

County of birth: -

Age at attestation:

Discharge date: 08 November 1886

Attestation corps: -

Attestation soldier number:27620

Discharge rank: Gunner

Discharge corps: Royal Artillery 5/1 WELSH DIV.

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO121 / 249 / 1

these appear to be muster rolls rather than pension records

Re: henry STANLEY, Sargeant in the Royal Artillery in 1881 at Fort Hubberston

edpest — 2013-04-28 03:42:53Z

Thank you for your reply. I will look at what you suggested and see if I can find anything.

Thank you again
Pam

Re: British Army records of John WINTON

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-27 20:41:57Z

you are most welcome - every little helps put the puzzle together!

Re: British Army records of John WINTON

the_listers — 2013-04-27 20:32:55Z

What can I say but many many thanks. I have trawled the records to find a birth for John or a marriage but no luck yet but I feel as though I have accomplished a major step forward with your help. I am so grateful.

Re: British Army records of John WINTON

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-27 19:36:07Z

Yep, I dont do "coincidences" - this record refers to Army "Pensioners" and can be obtained from NA - you can also get from FMP but you do need a subscription on this one - think there were 6 pages including a description of him

all as per the above reference

Re: British Army records of John WINTON

the_listers — 2013-04-27 17:55:05Z

WOW!!!!! I am amazed.Why couldn't I find him??????
When I come down off the ceiling.......
In a document I have it says William became an apprentice shoemaker to his father. Just amazing. There are so many distinctive elements in this record. On both of Williams marriage certificates it states that his father was a shoemaker. Sadly I have no information about William's mother.
I have just found out that Rathfriland is in Northern Ireland. All other information relative to William has been from Carlow in Southern Ireland.
I presume I can get the original army documents?

Re: British Army records of John WINTON

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-27 17:09:06Z

Regretfully this does not give nok but seems to tie in with what you had:

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First name(s): John
Last name: WINTON
BY TRADE: CORDWAINER (BOOT/SHOE MAKER)
Calculated year of birth: 1806
Parish of birth: Rathfriland
Town of birth: Rathfriland
County of birth: Down
Age at attestation: 16 years
Discharge date:21 OCT 1843 - NO LONGER FIT FOR SERVICE (BOWEL PROBLEM)
Attestation corps:
Attestation soldier number:
Discharge rank: Private
Discharge corps: 5th Foot
Discharge soldier number: 156
served WEST INDIES 8 MAR 1824 TO 14 APR 1826
MALTA 2 YEARS & 5 MONTHS (1835 ISH)
GIBRALTA 2 YEARS 11 MONTHS (1834 ISH)
IONIAN ISLANDS 4 YEARS 11 MONTHS
SERVED TOTAL 19 YEARS & 117 DAYS (DONE MORE BUT REDUCED A FEW TIMES FOR BEING A SLIGHTLY NAUGHTY BOY)
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 276 / 142

could'nt find a birth registration (army) do you know his wife's name/Williams mum?

Re: British Army records of John /Thomas WINTON

the_listers — 2013-04-27 16:39:43Z

Death Certificate states he died on 13 October 1889 aged 58 years makinh the year of birth 1831.

Re: British Army records of John /Thomas WINTON

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-27 15:57:59Z

OK so, by going by his death (William's) registration what is his birth date?

Re: British Army records of John /Thomas WINTON

the_listers — 2013-04-27 15:55:13Z

I have had no luck finding a birth certificate in Ireland for either William or his father. All I have is William's marriage certificate.

Re: British Army records of John /Thomas WINTON

ELLinSpain — 2013-04-27 15:42:24Z

have you the birth/baptism (Militery records) for William??

Re: British Army records of John /Thomas WINTON

the_listers — 2013-04-27 15:24:14Z

This is going to sound vague I'm afraid. John/Thomas's son is William my 2x great gradfather. He was married twice. His first certificate states his father as John his second certificate says Thomas. Unquestionably the same person.A document I have says William's parents were English and his father a soldier in the British Army living in Ireland. One document says when William was only a few months old was taken by his father and was reared in the Ionian Isles, Gibraltar and the Mediterranean only to return to Ireland 11 years later. Different census returns say William was born in Malta, Gibraltar and Ireland. I can not seem to find the regiment that was serving in the Mediterranean from 1831 when William was born.
So I have a who, when born -no and where born -no.

Re: henry STANLEY, Sargeant in the Royal Artillery in 1881 at Fort Hubberston

Orielbenfro — 2013-04-27 14:33:04Z

Any surviving military records of Henry Stanley's Army Career could well be found under the Military Sections of online F.H. websites.
Failing that, then a trip is required to the Nationial Archives see :
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro