Stewart Herbert, Indian War veteran
There is a small bronze marker next to the grave of Stewart Herbert in Lancaster County, PA. which says he was a veteran of the Indian Wars. I have tried to find the source for this, to no avail. No one seems to know who posted the marker. I have not found any verification of his service. Help would be appreciated.
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Re: Stewart Herbert, Indian War veteran
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Re: Stewart Herbert, Indian War veteran
Hi Maureen,
Thanks for sending this. I did not have it. The Stewart Herbert in 1785 has to be the son of Stewart Herbert Sr. b. ca. 1721 and died 1778. The Stewart Sr. born in 1721 has a plaque by his tombstone that shows he served in the Indian Wars. Confusing. His son, Stewart Herbert Jr. died in 1795 in Washington Co., MD. He served throughout the Rev. war. Marilyn
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Marilyn, I have seen your post that indicates Stewart Herbert, b. 1721, said his family immigrated from Wales. Did you know that there is a line of Herberts, descending from Henry Herbert b. abt 1670 [who immigrated from Wales - or else his father Walter did] who have sons named Stewart? This occurs pretty far down the line, so it could be coincidence, but you may want to review this further. In the 1850 US Census of NJ, there are 2 Stewart Herberts. One is in Howell twp, Monmouth Co, age 17 and is a laborer for a family living a couple doors down from Hance Herbert age 65 [b. 1785] and his wife Anne. The other Stewart Herbert is in neighboring Brick twp, Ocean Co [formerly part of Monmouth] age 18, a son of John Herbert and Eliz. both 42, who have other children: Morton 19, Stewart 18, John 15, Abram 13, twins Hannah and Eliz. 12, Angelletta 10, Harrison 7, Caroline 5, Hance 3. This John is a son of Hance Herbert 65 and his wife Anne [Havens], who was living in Howell as noted above. There are a number of Herberts in both Howell, Monmouth Co and in Ocean Co. Hance Herbert b. 1785 is the son of Isaac Herbert and Deborah Hance. I believe this Isaac descends from Henry Herbert, b.abt. 1670 - through either his son Henry or his son Isaac. However, Henry's brother, Dr. Walter Herbert b. abt 1670 had a son Walter Jr. who had a son Isaac and further descendants named Isaac and Dr. Walter Herbert's son Paul had a grandson Dr. Isaac Herbert [of Newberry SC and later Alabama] . The name Isaac definitely runs through both Walter and Henry's descendants, so I haven't completely sorted out which Isaac is which yet. In any case, there were Foulkes and Stewarts living in Monmouth and Burlington at the same time Henry and Walter were there in the late 1600's. There were Morgans in Monmouth at least by 1720's as Abel Morgan, a Baptist preacher was born around then. Different lines of the Herberts seemed to be different religions, depending on their wife's religion mostly. There were Herberts who were quaker, Baptist, Episcopal and Presbyterian and later Methodist - so??? Henry and his brother Dr. Walter Herbert were quakers. - but some of their sons/daughters were not. I will let you know if I run across anything more specific as to your Stewart Herbert, b. 1721, origins - but these later Stewarts in the Herbert line in NJ give room for thought.
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Hi Maureen,
Thanks for sending this. At one point, some years ago I did try to establish a relationship between my Stewart Herbert and those in NJ, but came up empty. Stewart Herbert Sr. had a sister, Margaret who married a Dils (Dill/Diel) and resided in Lancaster County. Stewart m. Sidney McDill ca. 1751 in Lancaster Co., Pa. and had the following children: Stewart Jr.; Daniel (my line); Elizabeth; Jacob; Moses; Jane and possibly a Thomas. Neither Jacob or Thomas are named in Stewart Sr.'s will record (1778), and I believe they may have died during the Rev. Elizabeth married William Whitehill, Daniel married Margaret Gibson, possibly in Alleghany Co., Pa., Moses married Jane Duke in Allegheny Co., Pa., Stewart Jr. moved to Washington Co., MD and died in 1795. His wife was Phebe (Williams?). I don't have a clue what happened to Jane, but she was still living in 1785 when William Whitehill was appointed her guardian. I have lots of Herbert data from Lancaster County, Pa., but nothing earlier.
I am quite sure that Stewart Herbert Sr. was in some way related to the Stewart line in Lancaster Co., Pa., but don't know what that relationship is. I also don't know when Stewart arrived in Lancaster County, Pa. The earliest record there that I have for him is the following tax list.
What has always baffled me though is why he has the plaque next to his stone in Lancaster County, Pa. which says "United Indian War Veteran". I've found no record of his service.
1758, Stuart Hobbert, Tax list, Leacock Twp., Lancaster Co., PA, (LCPATL) After that I have found him in various deed transactions. He did receive a land patent in 1753 in Lancaster Co.
Any data you find would be most appreciated and maybe we can join forces in research on the Herberts.
Thanks so much for all the information. It is most appreciated. Marilyn
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Maureen,
I should have mentioned, Stewart Herbert Sr. and his children were Presbyterian. Also, I do not have a marriage date for Stewart Herbert Sr. and Sidney McDill, so don't know for sure if all of those children were theirs. I am pretty sure that Jacob, Jane and Moses were theirs. Sidney's father was Jacob McDill so I would guess they would have named a child after her father. Both Sidney and Stewart signed a deed in 1775 in Lancaster Co.
Sidney died April 18, 1778 and Stewart died between Sept. and Oct of 1778. Have pictures of their tombstones in Leacock Presbyterian Cemetery, Lancaster Co., PA. Marilyn
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I also noticed that when Stewart Herbert Jr. died in 1795 in Hagerstown MD, the executor of his will was John Winter. There are several Herbert-Winter connections in the NJ line. Thomas Herbert married Hannah Winter, d/o Andrew Winter in abt 1750 in NJ. Their sons, Josiah and Thomas moved to first Loudoun, then Berkeley Co Va [less than 50 miles from Hagerstown]. Josiah served in Rev. War also - with Virginia troops [was at Ft. ? at Steubenville OH] their cousin of some sort - Peter Herbert moved to Loudon, then Berkeley [now Morgan Co VA - the line I am researching. Lived very near Sleepy Creek and Berkeley Springs] There was another group of related Herberts who came from NJ to Loudoun [George, John -William] just before Rev. War[. There are Winter or Winters families that came about same time or earlier. More puzzle pieces.
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I know there was something in the History of Delaware County, Pa about the Winter brothers and Morgan Herbert being convicted of killing some Indians. Have no idea who Morgan Herbert is, do you? Have you seen the article? I thought I had a copy of it on the computer, but now I can't seem to find it. Marilyn
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Yes, I have seen that - but haven't been able to trace any more about those people. I read through that informmation again this past weekend. The posting said that it occurred in Delaware Co. PA in 1728 and that James and Walter Winter and Morgan Herbert, their father-in-law, killed 3 Indians under mistaken impression that there were hostilities in the area. They were tried & convicted of murder and sentenced to hang. Apparently the governor commuted the sentence of Morgan Herbert. There are conflicting stories about whether the two Winter brothers were killed. I have not run across the name Morgan Herbert in any subsequent Herbert descendants. There are Morgan Herberts from that same family of Herberts in Wales though. - Another thing I meant to mention to you. I'm exploring connections between Herberts and other surnames that were in "Morgan's Rifles" during the Rev. War. This was a crackerjack troop of rifle men consisting of handpicked snipers from 2 PA, 4VA and 2 MD regiments organized under Col Daniel Morgan [b. NJ, lived in Berkeley Co VA]. Stewart Herbert may have been one of them as he was a Lt then a captain in the 12th PA which was one of the 2 PA regiments that sent some of its troops to Morgan's Rifles under Capt. Hawkins Boone. The other PA regiment was the 1st PA and in it was Timothy Murphy b. NJ whose sister, Zylpha, supposedly married Thomas Herbert, son of Richard Herbert of Monmouth NJ. Another of the Morgan's Rifles was Meredith Helm [one of the many Meredith Helms] of Frederick Co VA who was closely related to Margaret Peggy Helm [her father?] who married Josiah Herbert b. NJ lived in Berkeley VA and to John Helm Jr. who married Joanna Herbert d/o Peter Herbert b. NJ lived Berkeley Va . Yet another connection is Daniel Soesbe b. PA [but family from VA,] who fought in one of the VA regiments that contributed members to Morgan's Rifles - believed he served under Capt. Van Swearingen. Daniel Soesbe married Rachel Burcham and their daughter, Rachel Soesbe married Hezekiah Vandorne Harbert, a son of Thomas Herbert and Zylpha Murphy. - In any case, lots of interesting connections may be related to all of these gentlement serving together in the same troop during the war and then many of their families ended up in Fountain and Vigo Counties in Indiana after living brief stints in PA and/or OH.
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Stewart Herbert was listed as Ensign, 12th PA, 1 Oct. 1776; promoted to 2nd lieutenant, May 1777; 1st lieutenant 1 July 1778, 12th PA Continental line, (source- PA, second series) He was also wounded at Short Hills, NJ. Will look up the date for that.
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