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Re: Fordney(Fortney) and Diffenderfer Rev. War

11944 — 2013-05-05 01:00:55Z

DAR PATRIOT INDEX VOL 1 [ 2003 edition ]
PGE 970
JACOB FORTNEY
B. 12.29.1724 FRANCE
D. 6.7.1819 PA
PVT. PA
M. MARGARET FORDNEY
IF THIS IS YOUR MAN?

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VOL 1 PGE 761
DIEFFENDORFER; DEFFENDERFFER; DIEFENDERFER; DIEFFENDERF

JOHN 1754 - 1815 PA
JOHN 1754 - 1808 PA
who was he married to?

Fordney(Fortney) and Diffenderfer Rev. War

gaflynn24 — 2013-05-03 15:36:56Z

I am looking for info on Jacob Fortney in the Rev. War and John Michael Diffenderfer in the Rev. War. Any help on where to look would be appreciated.

Paoli Massacre memorial

phillipfazzini — 2013-04-22 00:14:14Z

6 known dead
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=45...;

Re: Daniel Fischer and his father Nicholas Fischer Rev. War Patriots?

phillipfazzini — 2013-04-21 02:38:12Z

See page 106 for Daniel Fisher

http://books.google.com/books?id=SE0OAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA288&a...

Re: John Nicholas Smith - unrelated to Revolutionary War

frostfreedet — 2013-04-21 02:17:13Z

This message board is about the Revolutionary War (1775-1783).

Try posting your query in the surname message boards for your target family, and on those for the Counties they lived in.

When you say folks "have been found," say who or what exactly listed them, such as a tree (and say its name and where located).

Re: Daniel Fischer and his father Nicholas Fischer Rev. War Patriots?

skuussalo — 2013-04-20 23:34:49Z

Thanks for the reply; I will try this route!

Re: Daniel Fischer and his father Nicholas Fischer Rev. War Patriots?

phillipfazzini — 2013-03-15 23:57:23Z

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman...

Probably in the PA Archives series of the 4th Battalion PA Milita -see books google

John Nicholas Smith

nikkidenis — 2013-02-20 18:24:43Z

I'm trying to find out who the father and mother of John Nicholas Smith/Johann Nicholas Smith(b.About 1780 d.Jan 1821)are; he lived in Pennsylvania.

His wife's name was Elizabeth Heim. After John died she remarried Jacob Row. Together, John and Elizabeth, had seven children that I know of. They consist of Peter(1809-1876), Daniel(1805-1872), Jacob(1813-1893), Elizabeth(1812-1837), Catherine(1816-), Sarah(1818-1877), and George(1820-). Peter MIGHT be the name of John N Smith's father, but I'm not sure. If anyone has any information on him, his family, parents, descendents, etc please let me know. It would be appriciated.

Notes: I'm not sure why, but his children and wife have been found under the name Adam Smith.

Re: Northampton County in Compiled Service Records

twine22 — 2013-02-18 05:23:51Z

Many thanks for your help! I think I have a good amount of information to give me a good start.

Re: Northampton County in Compiled Service Records

frostfreedet — 2013-02-18 01:07:37Z

The Pay Certificates and Depreciation Pay Certificates were IOUs issued by the Counties for pay owed to Militiamen for particular periods of active duty service. The Counties expected to be reimbursed by the State, and the Congress passed the Militia Loan Acts to raise money to loan for payments. Militiamen were *not* paid for attending drill musters.

The Militia Loan Registers A and B are in the State Archives, but as of more than 15 years ago were sequestered from public access due to their fragility. They have not been microfilmed. They do not state exactly what the service was. Some of the series of lists can be attributed to particular activities when dates are compared with other records. If Grubb was a Private, the 4 pounds owed to him reflects service of more than a month, but doing what I couldn't guess.

The Depreciation Pay certificates were a second series issued because of the delay in payments on the original Pay Certificates, due to inflation.

I am not sure about the extent to which PA actually redeemed the certificates. I have seen published assertions that the vets sold their certificates to speculators for very deep discounts, but have not myself documented this. At least some of the entries in the Militia Loan Registers have representations, at least, of signatures indicating redemption of certificates.

The certificate numbers are significant. Clusters in numerical order can reflect issuance to men in the same unit who were involved in the same activity. The first in a given such series could be the Captain, then those under him listed until the next Captain is listed.

There are some published incomplete lists of those issued Depreciation Pay certificates in _PA Archives_ Series 5, Vol. IV, and some revised militia lists in Series 6, Vol. II.

I have no inside information about what Ancestry.com chooses to acquire.

I don't work with the Compiled Service Records much. The original rosters in M246 have more information, although they are often more difficult to find. While the War Office clerks often did a splendid job with their extracts, sometimes people were omitted and 'notes' in the original rosters were truncated or garbled in the extracts.

Re: Northampton County in Compiled Service Records

twine22 — 2013-02-17 17:14:50Z

Many thanks for your VERY helpful and informative response. In doing more research yesterday I was beginning to realize exactly what you said about the militia units listed in the PA Archives Series. I've downloaded the volume for Northampton County to go through in depth later, but now understand that inclusion doesn't necessarily indicate active service. I have just started with the Rev War Rolls, thanks for the link to revwar75 - I think it will be helpful.

I have gone through the Rev War abstract cards in PA Archives' online ARIAS system and have found cards with certificate payment amounts listed. I had assumed this meant they saw active service, but there was no unit number or even a rank listed. Do you think the original certificate volumes would give me more information? Do you know if they are available at PA Archives? (i.e. - is it even worth a trip out to PA?) I have attached here an example of one of the cards.

On another note of personal curiosity, I have been to the National Archives and seen the Index to the Compiled Service Records (I think it is M860). I didn't have much time with it, but it was unbelievably helpful - 100% alphabetical and gives military unit information. It seems to be the logical first place to start in Rev War research. Do you have any idea why it is not reproduced on Ancestry, or anywhere else I have found? It seems illogical to reproduce over a thousand microfilm rolls of the Compiled Service Records but not what looks to be only 58 microfilm rolls of index.

Many thanks again for the time you took in your reply!

Re: Northampton County in Compiled Service Records

frostfreedet — 2013-02-17 06:28:31Z

The _Compiled Service Records_ were extracted by War Department clerks from the document database, "Revolutionary War Rolls," that was subsequently microfilmed as NARA micropublication M246, arranged by State and by Regiment.

You can get an idea of what is on the M246 microfilm rolls here, and what units' personnel should appear in the Compiled Service Records extracted from them:

http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm

These documents are rosters and other documents of the Continental Army, including a fairly small number of County militia units and State troops that were involved at some time in actions principally conducted by the Continentals.

While Companies within the Continental Regiments were often recruited from within a given County or group of Counties, they are not identified as such in the rosters. They were within the Continental Army chain of command. The Continental Army was arranged by State Regiment, not by County. While some Regiments were initially recruited from particular groups of Counties, subsequent recruitment to fill vacancies was not done this way.

It is sometimes possible to detect that a Company was principally from a given County by picking names from that County and searching for a Continental Regiment identification within the index for "Revolutionary War Rolls," then looking at the Company rosters where they appear to see if that name pattern is consistent within the Company, then looking for pension applications by members of that Company. The pension application documents sometimes state where men lived when they enlisted, or give other details that can place where their family lived during the War.

The Battallion and Company information you state that you found was for the Northampton County militia, which had some active duty during the war. You can find rosters in the published _Pennsylvania Archives_ 5th Series, Vol. VIII, as well as some correspondence and material about the County Lieutenant, Col. Jacob Stroud (in First Series Vol. VI). You can find entries for individual men in the State Archives' card file index to Revolutionary War records, arranged alphabetically -- not by County:

http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/

The card file entries often do not indicate active-duty service, but reflect muster rolls made when the militiamen reported for a drill and nose-counting. Many of these cards were extracted from the above-mentioned lists in the published _Pennsylvania Archives_, and the cards give their sources at lower right.

The County Militia consisted in all free white male able-bodied men aged roughly 16 to 60 (varies by time and place). They were expected to be available for defense within the County. Unlike the Continentals and State Troops, the militia were not a standing army. Their active duty could include patrolling, garrisoning a local blockhouse, guarding prisoners, or assisting to escort supplies bound elsewhere. Individuals might have occasional active-duty service for a day or two (rarely longer) at a time, but many residents would have had no active-duty service at all. Unless they enlisted in the Continental Army, persons living in Northampton County would not appear in the _Compiled Service Records_.

Northampton County was one of the locations that was largely populated by Loyalists, and Col. Stroud's correspondence with the Supreme Executive Council reflects persistent difficulty with raising men for active duty and keeping officers.

Northampton County in Compiled Service Records

twine22 — 2013-02-15 18:37:23Z

I am searching for Revolutionary War records for the Easton/Forks area of Northampton County. I have located Battalion and Company information for Northampton County but can not find Northampton County at all in the "U.S. Compiled Revolutionary War Military Service Records, 1775-1783 " on Ancestry.com.

Does anyone know if Northampton County records exist in this resource? Perhaps there is a Regiment number I need??

Daniel Fischer and his father Nicholas Fischer Rev. War Patriots?

skuussalo — 2013-02-03 14:24:53Z

I have photos of markers for Nicholas Fischer, 4 BN PA Militia Rev. War Sept. 1734 - Mar 10, 1805.

Next to him is his son, Daniel Fischer Drummer PA Militia Rev. War Feb 27, 1768 - April 26, 1804.

Alsace Luthern Cemetery Reading Berks Co., PA.

I cannot find any documents to prove their service in the Rev. War. This is my 4th and 5th great grandfathers and I would love to prove their service and have them recognized in DAR, but I cannot find proof of their service; any help would be appreciated!

Will of William Parham

Trimtab — 2012-12-29 19:28:34Z

William Parham lived in Philadelphia where he died in 1794. Does anyone have access to or have a copy of his Will which lists his living children? If so, I would like a copy.
Hall Martin, aka trimtab

Jacob Nelson Barnthouse or Bornhaus

mrprice61 — 2012-09-03 21:04:11Z

I am looking for any lead to this man who I believe I am decended. I believe this man to be a Hessian soldier who deserted and settled in Pennsylvania. He farmed and had a son named Michael. Later the thread goes to Ohio. We spell it Barnhouse but seeing many other spellings. There is a listing of Hessians remaining in America under the name "Barnthouse, see Bornhaus, Christoph, Georg, and Jacob."

Lt. Jonathan Pugh from Chester County

easy121 — 2012-06-29 06:36:47Z

I have another post looking a Private Jonathan Pugh from the PA 5th battalion captured at FT Washington. But while looking from hi, I found a lot of information about and officer named Jonathan Pugh from Pughtown in Chester Co. His bio (mainly derived from PA Society of the Cincinnati sources).:

Jonathan Pugh, the fourth son of Jonathan and Hannah Pugh, was born near Pughtown, East Nantmeal Township, Chester County, about 1741*. The family, originally Welsh Quakers, were part of a great emigration to Pennsylvania that commenced about 1684. Jonathan appears as a landowner in Uwchlan Township in 1774, and on 16 June 1776 at the age of thirty-five, was made Sergeant in the Fourth Pennsylvania Battalion, Colonel Anthony Wayne. He steadily rose in rank as recorded in the Historical Register of the Officers of the Continental Army, being first promoted to Ensign in the 5th Pennsylvania (1 January 1777), 2nd Lieutenant (20 April 177). As a result of a serious wound and fracture of his left arm that he sustained during the battle of Brandywine, 11 September 1777, he was transferred to the Invalid Regiment. He was made Regimental Adjutant (1 June 1779) and promoted to Captain Lieutenant (November 1779) and served to the end of the war.
In Virtutis Praemium, The Men Who Founded the State Society of the Cincinnati of Pennsylvania (Rockport, ME, 1998), author John Kilbourne states that Pugh was moved to West Point at the end of 1783 to be cared for by the army and may have remained there until his death in 1785.

Pugh's circumstances at the time of his death were so impecunious that the State Society of the Cincinnati of Pennsylvania granted forty-five dollar to "Mrs. Pugh, widow of the late Lieut. Pugh, a member of the Society" (Minutes of the Standing Committee, 2 September 1785). Pugh 's certificate was signed by Washington on 31 October 1785. This is the day on which a representative of the Pennsylvania Society visited Mount Vernon to have Washington sign a large group of blank diplomas, which afterwards would have been inscribed and distributed to the individual members. This assistance continued until 1789, a grant of £7.10.0 on 14 December 1788 being "to defray the expence of her childrens education." On 9 August 1789 the lieutenant's Bounty Land Warrant for two hundred acres was issued to Catherine Pugh, the widow and legal representative.However, nothing appears to have been done about Pugh's estate until 1791 when administration was granted to his friends James McClure, Blackall William Ball and Jonas Simonds [qq.v.], the widow having apparently died in the interim. The estate was valued at a little over £183, including unimproved Pennsylvania and Federal bounty lands.

Pugh was also survived by three children: Robert, Mary, and Henry (neither son succeed his membership in the
Society). Henry's son, Charles J. Pugh (1814-1882), was the first to represent his grandfather in the
Pennsylvania Society, having joined in 1845. It being represented by General [Walter] Stewart that the children of Captain Jona Pugh are left destitute of parents & that Captain Jonas Symonds [sic] has undertaken the care of their education, under the Patronage of this Society, it was therefore moved and seconded that the sum of thirty dollars be advanced to Captain Symonds for the purpose aforesaid -... Simonds and Ball later were frequent petitioners to the Society of the Cincinnati of Pennsylvania for the benefit of these children.

Lieutenant Pugh may have been closely related to Colonel Samuel Miles of the Thirteenth Pennsylvania Regiment, captured at Long Island 27 August 1776 and afterwards of the State Militia (not a member of the Society of the Cincinnati of Pennsylvania).

*1941 seems late considering the relative age of his siblings, but this was reported to be his age in a report mentioning Jno Pugh by Sec. Of War Henry Knox.

Jonathan Pugh, Cumru + 5th PA Battalion

easy121 — 2012-06-29 06:20:29Z

I'm looking for information on Jonathan Pugh listed as captured at the Battle of Ft Washington November 16, 1776. He was part of Col Robert Magaw's 5th PA Battalion. Vol 2 of the PA archives lists him and many others from the unit taken prisoner at the battle. Many are listed as having died in prison, as well as many being listed as being paroled in December of that year.

A John Pugh is listed as a private in Captain John Nice's Company of Col Samuel J Atlee PA Musketry Battalion. This appears to be after the Battle of Long Island, in which many prisoners were also captured. In a September muster roll of the Company "lying in Camp of New York Island near Kings Bridge for the month of September" he is listed as being Absent without Leave as was a majority of the rest of the company (24 privates, a sgt, 2 corporals and a drum/fife...1sgt and 2 privates were left fit for duty). It's unclear if this is the same soldier. Though the proximately of the two battles during the campaign in New York are promising.

I think he may be the son John Pugh and Unknown Evans of Cumru.

Estimates are the 2800 men were taken prisoner at the battle and as few as 800 may have survived the horrible conditions of the English prisoner barges....so he very well may have perished. But given that his record does not show an outcome, I am hoping he may have survived. It should be noted that another Jonathan Pugh (from Chester, enlisted as a sgt in the 4th PA and rose to Captain Lt in the invalid corp) may easily be confused for this Private Pugh in the 5th (I did for several months).

Any information you might have to share would be GREATLY appreciated

Re: filing for a pension in 1818

xd22577 — 2012-02-13 20:39:29Z

Yes - I posted this on 3 different boards.
I didn't know if it might be filed where the veteran lived after the war or where he was when he enlisted.

thank you for your time
Julie

Re: filing for a pension in 1818

frostfreedet — 2012-02-13 18:29:20Z

See reply here:

http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.Military.amerrev.va/297/mb...

filing for a pension in 1818

xd22577 — 2012-02-12 04:32:14Z

Where can I find a copy of the paperwork a patriot would have filled out for a pension in 1818? It was declined but referenced in his 1832nd one, which was accepted.

If it helps, he is Vincent OWENS - born in Virginia, served in VA 2nd Reg State Line - died in Washington Co, Penn.

Thank you for your help!
Julie

Re: Need help locating a record at the PA Archives

slgrabek — 2012-02-01 13:40:29Z

I thought I should post an update about the results of the work that Mr. McWilliams did for me. Two weeks after sending my check to the Pennsylvania Archives, I received a package in the mail with all of the references that David Lindsay appeared in (5), in the Militial Loan Accounts for Westmoreland County. Mr. McWilliams was correct in his guess that David Lindsay's signature would appear in the Distribution Vouchers. I now have a copy of an original signature of David Lindsay.

I have learned (once again) that it pays to never give up when researching an ancestor. For me, the third try was the lucky charm!

Susan

Re: Ft. Pitt information

littleraven7408 — 2012-01-26 21:27:31Z

This is what i have writen so far in my revised Kiper "red book" done in 1983 by margret hurley (she helped) and fay bohaning.
G1.George Frederick Kiper s/o
B. d.
Md. Elizabeth
b. d.
Had 3 chn.
1. Henry Kiper
2. Frederick Kiper
3. Jacob Kiper

The Kiper family was among the first pioneers of Grayson and Breckinridge Counties. George Frederick Kiper, a Private in the Revolutionary War, was stationed at Fort Pitt, then Yohogania County, Virginia, now Pittsburg Pa, in 1777 and 1778. With his wife, Elizabeth, and four children, they were planning to migrate to Caintuck Reg, then part of Virginia. While still in the service, George Frederick was killed by the Indians in October of 1778 as their migration began. Elizabeth was scalped in the same attack but lived. Wearing a turban type head covering, she came to Kentucky with her children, Henry, Frederick and Jacob; the fourth child is not identified.

I found a muster roll dates Oct. 1, 1777 Goerge Fredrick Kiper was listed as a private under Captain James O’Hara. That was the last that I found of him. It is highly unlikely that he would move his family to Kentucky during the late fall since there was only two trails leading to Kentucky and the Appalachian mountains.(to be cont. pending more research)

Re: Ft. Pitt information

frostfreedet — 2012-01-26 10:24:17Z

There is no web site that would give a genealogy of people who were "at Ft. Pitt in and around 1777 and 1778."

This description is pretty non-specific.

People might have been in that area for a number of different reasons, but lived elsewhere.

Was he mentioned on a particular militia list, a Continental Army roster or a court record? Any of these might help with a clue about where he was living at the time.

There might well be a tree or web site mentioning a person by this name, which you can find by a web search.

Ft. Pitt information

littleraven7408 — 2012-01-25 03:11:07Z

I am looking for information on George Kiper who was at Ft. Pitt in and around 1777 and 1778. Mainly is there a web site that I can go to that will have information on his parents or place of birth ect. Thank you.

Re: Philadelphia Militia Question

BettyPrice741 — 2011-12-10 17:26:44Z

Hi,

Please email me using JAGO on the subject line, and I will forward you some information.

Thanks,

Betty

Pricemissbee@aol.com

Re: Need help locating a record at the PA Archives

slgrabek — 2011-12-07 21:42:31Z

Thank you for your kind reply. I have tried twice to obtain a copy of the record, and I failed both times!

The first time I sent a written request to the Archives, and my check was returned uncashed. The archivist wrote a note that the record group I had identified as the probable location of the document(Militia Loan Accounts) did not contain any records with original signatures. The second time I hired a local researcher to go to the Archives, and the researcher was told the same thing by the same archivist. The researcher charged me $5.00 for his time.

Over the weekend I contacted Mr. Aaron McWilliams, an archivist at the Pennsylvania State Archives. I found Mr. McWilliams' e-mail address on a personal website where someone had posted numerous Rev. War documents that they had procured from the Pennsylvania Archives with the aid of Mr. McWilliams. The owner of the website had included the cover letter that Mr. McWilliams had written along with the records. I was impressed with what Mr. McWilliams had found, and I hoped he could help me.

Mr. McWilliams wrote to me early this morning in response to my query. I explained my problem, and what had transpired so far in my search. Mr. McWilliams looked at the documents that I had attached to my message, and he stated that the record I am looking for is almost certainly located in the Westmoreland County distribution vouchers, which is part of the Militia Loan Accounts.

So I am now off to the Post Office to send my check to the Archives, along with my request addressed to Mr. Aaron McWilliams. I am hopeful that he will be able to locate the record. I truly hope that it was not handed out as a souvenir!

I have my fingers crossed that my third attempt at procuring this document will end in success.

Thanks again for your reply.

Susan

Re: Need help locating a record at the PA Archives

frostfreedet — 2011-12-07 21:09:56Z

As for your first image, I do not know what record group that piece of paper with signatures (for receipt of depreciation pay certificates) might be in today -- assuming it still exists. Years ago I was told by one of the very experienced archivists that up until the 1920s, visitors to the Archives were given such papers as souvenirs of their visit.

Regarding the 2nd image, Militia Loan Registers A and B are very fragile and sequestered from public access. These registers do not have the actual signatures, but were lists of Depreciation Pay Certificates issued.

Need help locating a record at the PA Archives

slgrabek — 2011-12-04 23:57:47Z

Hi all,

A fellow researcher will be making a trip to the PA Archives this summer to try to help me locate a record. I have already tried (unsuccessfully) to locate the record by contacting the Archives directly (they sent me back my check) and by hiring a local researcher (he was told by an archivist that the record was not to be found)who charged me five dollars for his failed attempt.

I have a record from the published Pennsylvania Archives that shows that my ancestor, David Lindsay, signed his name to receive depreciation pay for service he had performed in Westmoreland County in 1782. The researcher whom I hired found the original certificate glued into a book, but it did not have a signature on it.

The record that shows that David Lindsay signed his name to receive his pay appeared in the PA Archives Series VI, Volume 2. I know that the author must have been looking at an original, handwritten record to have made the transcription. The (c) on the record was stated in the introduction to mean that the record was transcribed from muster rolls by the author.

From the transcribed record, which I will attach, it appears that David Lindsay signed his name to receive depreciation pay for service that he had performed in 1782. His certificate was issued in 1785.

Does anyone have experience in locating these types of records? Did soldiers sign to receive pay for the depreciation certificates?

I have experience in South Carolina records, but not in Pennsylvania. I cannot figure out what record group I should suggest as a source of the record, but I know that it must exist! I would like my research friend to have a focused place to search when he goes to the Archives to try to retrieve the record I am seeking.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Susan Grabek

Philadelphia Militia Question

scfunk2002 — 2011-12-01 13:48:35Z

1781 Philadelphia County Militia 5th Battalion
Seventh Class: Samuel Jago

This is one of my relatives....I am having issues finding more about this unit, if it saw action, andything on Samuel

If you know anything please assist....

Thanks

Re: sorting thru US Rev War Rolls help

sarahvarsity2009 — 2011-08-13 22:57:27Z

You do have to page through to find your man, but if you know the right regiment, the companies in it are listed in alphabetical order--usually by the Captain's last name. Some Companies were called by other names;the Colonel's Company, the Major's Company, etc, and those would be filed alphabetically by those titles instead of the actual Captain's name. Pay rolls and muster lists generally have the men listed by rank, with officers first, so on each page look for the corporals, so you don't waste time reading all the names. Keep in mind that your man may have started out as a private.

Re: 3rd Pennsylvania Regiment

sarahvarsity2009 — 2011-08-13 22:33:05Z

At 40 pages you have more information than I have. I, too, am writing up what I've found, and am glad to share, but I've only finished '76- just now getting into spring of '77-too early for your purposes. My ancestor's pension app just has "marched around to several places not remembered" for the period between returning from Canada in Jan '77 and fighting at Stoney Point in '79, so he's not much help for that time. I've had to research the doings of the 3rd Regt instead, & have notes through the summer of 1780. What dates/events do you need info for? I'd be glad to check my notes for anything relevant.

Re: 3rd Pennsylvania Regiment

SFletcher4023 — 2011-08-13 01:20:44Z

Possibly - I have written a 40 plus page paper on this regiments where-abouts and what they were doing but there are still a few dates that no information is available. Your information could be additional proof that my information is correct. I hope to finish the paper by the end of this year. I will post when finished.

I thank you for any information you may wish to share with all of us.

Re: 3rd Pennsylvania Regiment

sarahvarsity2009 — 2011-07-25 19:17:46Z

Your post is pretty old, but I also have an ancestor, Peter Bowerman, who served in the 3rd PA under Col Craig, from its beginning in 1777 to sometime in 1780. I've used his pension app as a guide for researching the regiment, and have gathered lots of info on their service, if you still need it.

Pa. Line 1776: John Brooks (1727-1803) Lt./Capt./Maj.

genealogy126126 — 2011-07-24 14:48:04Z

24 July 2011 from Warren Forsythe
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best direct email: genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net
This soldier John Brooks (1727-1803 Harrisburg Cemetery PA)
not close to my kin, but since he was compiled at no other genealogical site I could find, I posted Major John Brooks at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&d...
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and at
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...
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saying (two highlights):
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•Name: John BROOKS
•Prefix: Major
•Given Name: John
•Surname: Brooks
•Sex: M
•_UID: 9641F753551641AA91E405CE6000BAD4AD0A
•Change Date: 23 JUL 2011
•Note:
BURIAL monument:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=br...;

the above says:
Birth: 1727
Death: 1803

1754 he was enlisted in the British Army and was wounded. He was discharged June 8, 1767. In 1776 he was comissioned 2nd lieutenant in the Pennsylvania Line. In 1778 he was appointed Mayor of York by General Gates along with the rank of Captain. He also held the position of Commissay of Supplies.

-Pennsylvania Society of the Sons of the American Revolution 1947

Burial:
Harrisburg Cemetery
Harrisburg
Dauphin County
Pennsylvania, USA
Plot: Section: S, Lot: 125, Space: 1

Created by: Jeremy Easton
Record added: Dec 13, 2008
Find A Grave Memorial# 32149822

"DENNY GENEALOGY", Vol. 1, by Margaret Collins Denny Dixon and Elizabeth Chapman Denny Van, published in 1944. page 141 and 177-178. FHL film 1036603.

"Boyle J. McClure was born 11 Mar 1838 in Homestead, Pennsylvania. He was the son of William Denny McClure(b. 16 Apr 1799, died 28 Mar 1891) and Elizabeth Irwin. (b. 28 Mar 1807).
He received a commercial education and became a banker. He volunteered for Service during the "War Between the States" and was a member of the 8th Regiment, Pennsylvania Reserves. He was a Presbyterian, a Republican and a member of the Masonic Order, the G. A. R. and the Sons of the American Revolution. He married, as his first wife, Julia Pardon on 7 Apr 1864. She was the daughter of John and Catherine (Greenawalt) Brooks, and granddaughter of Major John Brooks (of the Revolutionary Army) and Sarah Pardon. She died as a result of a street car accident on 12 Jul 1899. Later in life, Boyle married Pauline Pickard. He died of pneumonia on 1 Jan 1913 and is buried in the Homestead Cemetery, Pittsburgh, Penn. Children are John Brooks McClure, b. 17 Sep 1865, and William Irwin McClure, b. 28 Sep 1867."

•Birth: 1727 in possibly of,,PA
•Death: 1803 in probably of, Dauphin, PA
•Burial: 1803 Harrisburg Cemetery, Dauphin, PA
•Note: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=br...;
•Reference Number: LC74-HPV

Marriage 1 Sarah PARDON b: ABT 1755 in possibly of, ,PA Children 1. John BROOKS b: ABT 1777 in by 1840 of Harrisburg, Dauphin, PA

Crawford County Rev. War Soldiers

RandiRPeterson — 2011-07-20 19:46:23Z

Hello! I am starting a list of the Soldiers that the County Historical Society has listed as a Revolutionary War Soldiers.

Crawford County Rev. War Soldiers

RandiRPeterson — 2011-07-20 19:46:22Z

Hello! I am starting a list of the Soldiers that the County Historical Society has listed as a Revolutionary War Soldiers.

Re: Widow Catherine Smith w/o Peter? helped Rev/War efforts

candita75 — 2011-06-29 03:35:03Z

Hi my name is candita and I am tryen to find descendants also of the smith family . We do know that my husbands great, great great great grandfathers name was peter and his wife was Catherine Worley Smith. I am hopeing that I have the right part of the family. I know that peter had a son named levi, and his wife was susan snyder smith, I do not know anything further than that at this time but would love to help you in anyway. My e-mail addy is candita75@hotmail.com. My phone is 301-697-5063 just ask for candy

Re: sorting thru US Rev War Rolls help

frostfreedet — 2011-05-15 17:47:38Z

Your surmise is correct. The every-name index does not link to specific page/image entries in the digitized microfilm.

However, you can narrow down your search a bit.

If you go to a very handy list of what is on each microfilm roll (thanks to John K. Robertson and Bob McDonald)

http://www.revwar75.com/ob/m246.htm

--you will find that Roll 133 contains rosters for (in this order):
Continental Troops: Livingston’s Regiment, 1777-80 (file jackets 219-225);
Continental Troops: Morgan’s Rifle Regiment, 1777-79 (226);
Continental Troops: Perry’s Independent Company, 1776 (227);
Continental Troops: Steele’s Detachment, Virginia and North Carolina, 1778 (228);
Continental Troops: Sullivan’s Life Guard, 1779 (229)

The introductory material at the beginning of each microfilm roll contains the same information, but takes time to browse to the right page to find the roll list.

If you do a browse search within each of the above Regimental listings in the Ancestry.com database of "U.S. Compiled Revolutionary War Military Service Records, 1775-1783" (in Old Search, this database is at
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1309&... ), each Regiment's men are listed alphabetically.

You can narrow down the search more in the Compiled Service Records by knowing where your target person lived during the war. Morgan's Rifles was from VA and MD; Livingston' Regiment was also known as the First Canadian Regiment. I do not know where Perry's Detachment was from. Sullivan's Life Guard would probably have been from NH, but could have been from NY and/or PA as well (this was Brig. Gen. John Sullivan who led the major expedition into central NY in 1779).

The Compiled Service Records are also available at footnote.com, where they are indexed with links to the specific cards (they have a free trial offer where you can at least look at the images).

The Compiled Service Record cards will say what Company or Companies your man was in. The cards were compiled by War Department clerks as transcripts from each roster for each individual. They do not always get spelling right, and do not always transcribe details correctly, but they are a very helpful guide to finding individuals in the images in the images of the rosters of National Archives Micropublication M204, "Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783" (where your man is on Roll 133).

Back to Roll 133, by trial and error you can find the right file jacket. The folios within each jacket are numbered. The front sheet for each file jacket usually states what Company roster is included in that jacket. It helps in browsing to know that front and back of each folio was microfilmed, and sometimes one side was done twice, where there was writing in different directions.

Having been through this process numerous times, I do wish you success!

sorting thru US Rev War Rolls help

lkmcclain — 2011-05-15 13:07:06Z

i have on several occasions found records listed in the Revolutionary War Rolls, 1775-1783. my member is listed in roll 133. but when i click the view image, i go to the beginning of the roll. i don't know how to sort or find from there. i have read the beginning pages of what's listed but cannot determine how to get to the jacket listed. can anyone help me understand or do i have the search each of the 644 pages? here is the member i am trying to get to.
Name: Abijah McClain
Rank - Induction: Corpl
Roll Box: 133
Roll State: Continental Troops

Re: Yarnall

GingerHasley — 2011-04-27 18:41:30Z

Thank you for all the information and your assistance. I will use the sources you provided to help me in my search.

Thanks

Re: Yarnall

frostfreedet — 2011-04-27 17:46:43Z

You have certainly put your finger on the hardest part of researching ancestors who may have been involved in the Revolutionary War - either in active-duty service or as a patriot.

One thing to focus on is that when seeking to join DAR, only direct-line ancestors are relevant.

John Yarnall 1739-1799 could not be son or parent of John Yarnall 1725-1809. So unless you can prove that John who d. 1799 was a direct ancestor, he would not be relevant to your DAR project. If you develop your family genealogy further, you might eventually learn that the two Johns are distant or close cousins - or no discoverable relation at all. But that would not be part of your DAR quest.

There were three levels of military organization during the Rev. War. The Continental Army was authorized and paid by Congress; State Troops were authorized and paid by the States (some units were folded into the Continentals); and County Militia.

The Militia were composed of all free white able-bodied males aged roughly 16-60 (varies by time and place) who resided within a given County. The Militia was organized for defense within the County, although a very few militia units (particularly on the frontiers) were drafted to go on emergency or major expeditions outside their County boundaries. Most militiamen did not see active duty, but among the active-duty possibilities were patrolling, guarding prisoners, or assisting escort of supplies bound elsewhere. The militiamen were required to turn out for regular drills; many rosters of those reporting survive, but reporting for such musters is not considered active duty.

One resource for determining if your John had a record in the militia of his home County, is in the Penna. Archives' website here (if you have not already looked at it):

http://tinyurl.com/3nuywxh

You can click on the County in which your ancestor lived, and get an idea of battalion names and commanding officers. Then click on the "Military Records" link to get to a page linking ARIAS, which includes images of a card file of extracts from items held by the Archives plus from the published _Pennsylvania Archives_; it is arranged alphabetically.

Locally held militia lists may still exist in County records and in local Historical Society manuscript collections. The County Court records might mention a petition by a wife for subsistence support from the County while her husband was away at war. Where there was more than one person by the same name in the same County, such records help to distinguish between them.

If you wish to join DAR, you must be nominated by a chapter. Most chapters have someone assigned to assist a prospective member to prove the ancestor's service and to prove the applicant's lineage. The DAR site you visited has a list of chapters under the Member tab, arranged geographically. You might contact a chapter near you, or one near where your ancestor lived.

Good hunting!

Yarnall

GingerHasley — 2011-04-27 00:15:50Z

I am trying to tie my heritage back to the Revolutionary war. I have taken some of my ancestors all the way back to the time period of the Revolutionary war (John Yarnall 1725-1809) , however I would like to become a Daughter of the Revolution. I need to prove that people from my family played a part in the Revolutionary War. I have also used the search engine provided by the Daughters of the Revolution and found that they have several Yarnalls (John Yarnall 1739-1799) already listed. I am having trouble connecting the dots. Can anyone give me suggestions on figuring out if my ancestors were actively involved in the Revolution or how to tie the two ancestry lines together.

Re: Widow Catherine Smith w/o Peter? helped Rev/War efforts

rcsmithpe — 2011-04-06 18:53:46Z

Looking for info on Charity Smith (my GGM) and her husband. My dad was James Clinton Smith.

Fishkill Supply Depot, Fishkill, NY

wolf6pack — 2011-04-03 16:46:15Z

I belong to the Friends of The Fishkill Supply Depot, a not-for-profit group trying to preserve vestiges of the the Fishkill Supply Depot, a major supply depot for Washington's Army from 1776-1783 in Fishkill, NY.

In 2007, it was confirmed by an archeological study that hundreds of soldiers were buried there. They are in unmarked and mostly unknown locations in the area that was the Depot. We hope to correct this.

We are trying to collect the names of any soldiers who died at Fishkill and could possibly be buried there. Close to 2 dozen men have been identified so far. At last Fall's Revolutionary War Weekend, at dusk a moving tribute was led by the 5th NY reading off the names of those found to have died and are buried at the Depot. We would like to have more for the weekend event this year.

If you have discovered in a pension file that your ancestor spent time there on duty, was sick there, died there and was possibly buried there - PLEASE CONTACT ME PRIVATELY!

We want to put names to the men buried there. We want to recognize those who served our country and were in Fishkill during the war. We would like to find living descendants of those brave men to help honor their sacrifice to our nation.

I have found mentions of men marching through Fishkill on their way to West Point and other strategic places in pension files. I have found men who were on guard duty at the burying ground at the depot.

We are trying to preserve the remaining open space from development. It was placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1973. We hope this can be a nation wide effort.

http://www.fishkillsupplydepot.org/

Can you help us ???

Thank you,

Judy Wolf

Re: Scherertz {Scheretz, Scheretz, Sheretz}

11944 — 2011-03-29 19:01:48Z

Thanks, joined DAR using Conrad Sherertz as Rev War ancestor.
But thanks for the additional information.

Re: Scherertz {Scheretz, Scheretz, Sheretz}

figge136 — 2011-03-29 12:37:21Z

YOU MAY WANT TO TRY THE YORK COUNTY HERITAGE TRUST.

Egle's and Montgomery's Muster Rolls, Pa. Archives On LIne

David Peters — 2011-02-27 06:34:02Z

For Pa.researchers;Egle's Muster Roll's of the Navy, Line, Militia, and Rangers and Thomas Montgomery's Muster Rolls, both from the Pa. Archives are free, downloadable and searchable on Google books and openlibary.com and few other sites. County histories are very good like Hain's History of Perry County and Montgomery's History of Berks, there quite a few books on specific county histories like this written in the late 1800' and early 1900's and they contain muster rolls from the F and I War through the Civil War.

Re: Barnhardt Slough - 1st Pa. Rifle Reg't (Thompson's)

frostfreedet — 2011-02-01 04:24:28Z

Genealogical queries best posted on surname message boards.

Barnhardt Slough - 1st Pa. Rifle Reg't(Thompson's)

David Peters — 2011-02-01 03:19:31Z

Any info primarily on descendants and family Barnardt Slough(1745-1823) of Northampton County,Pa. He served in 1st Pa. Rifles under Major Ennion Williams, in Cap't John McGowan's company, was stationed at Coryells Ferry and was at Washington's crossing and the 1st battle. Resided in Northampton until about 1800 and emigrated to Cumberland County(now Perry) where he died in 1823.