thank you, i'll try that. in regard to oes, my family have all been members. i was a rainbow girl, my mother a mother advisor the year i went to the east. i joined oes at age 18 & was the youngest member to hold a station at that time. my chapter closed, i trasfered membership but i was never able to go and now i don't remember enough of passwords to get in nor do i know anyone up here in oes. by the way i am 59 now. that's one problem every one has died i knew!