i know what u mean, i talked to my sister-in-law and all she could remember was that she had been married to some one named detmier or something like that(first name) unknown last name, well anyway i tried, but with out more info, this is where it ends.... anyway i got her enough info on other members of her family that she had not thought about, taking her great-great-grandparents on both sides of her parents, with all the english relations on her mothers side, and german family on her father side, but thanks for the assistance that u all have a attempted to give us.... Tks jess/kathy