Thanks Mike I to have that information but if you can help with any information that would be great. i have been working on the Benzie /s tree for over 10 years now & I have both of there books & alot of information so if I can help you out in any way , just drop me a line in what you need I would be glad to help you . If you can drop me a line at my e-mail address that way there is not a lot of information for anybody to read thanks again Rick