ok, i found two certs for john andoras baptism, his name is spelled andura on one and andora on the other. anna(his mother) her name is also spelled differently on both, kopecky and kopetski on the other, the app for marriage is spelled andora and kopetski. so im going with that. john was born nov 3rd 1913. however one of the baptism certs says 1914. walter was born september 13th or 15th, found both. any help would be great