Thanks I have seen that tree too I shall have to get this info to my mother in law as winnifred was her grandmother and see what she remembers i actually met winnifred before she died at a family wedding cant rember date though shall have to ask around family, now im trying to sort out who her mother jane lambert lineage from what i have found out winnifred was born in london but i am not sure if this is the right winnifred as it doesnt have her second name jessie on the census. have to check on all dates also