Hi Gale, nice of you to answer, but I don't think your whites and mine are in the same tree, we seem to have a lot of johns and williams, John's first wife was Rachel Anne Payne, and her parents were William Payne and Ellen Kelso, they were also married in licking co. ohio and must have came to Iowa the same time John White did. they all came before Iowa was a state and it was called Big Grove Territory, anyway thanks for trying and good luck in your search-----Margie