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Re: Heritier and Talmon families

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 3:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: ROSHON/ BIZE/ HONOUR
Carl -
Phillippe Rouchon married to Anna Marie Talman is -
My 6th Great Grand Uncle - his brother Henri is my 6th Great Grandfather.

(I have Phillippe's will, but I'm sure you probably have that, but you are welcome to whatever tidbits I have on him, if you'd like) I will include whatever notes I have on them - I work with family Tree Maker

I am assuming it is his son HENRI that you want info on -
Henri also had a son Henri. Ironically, I grew up in BUCKS COUNTY & Philadelphia area,now living in Florida.Ironically, he is buried in FAULKNER SWAMP - My EX husband's name is FAULKNER, same area - - we won't go into that one!!

I have -
HENRI ROUCHON b. 23 Sep 1730 Pinache, Nekar, Wuerttemburg, Germany
died 01 Jul 1784 married Catherina (nothing on her)

In his notes I have (first bit from you!!)

Immigrated with brother Pierre to America in 1753
Baptism: October 01, 1730, Evang. Pfarramt in Pinache, Wuerttemberg
Burial: July 01, 1784, Faulkner Swamp Reformed Church, Gilbertsville, Montgomery County, PA
Confirmation: April 1745, Evang. Pfarramt in Pinache, Wuerttemberg
Emigration: September 17, 1753, Arrived in Philadelphia on the ship "Patience"
Occupation: confectioner

One World Family
SOURCE: AmtsfieldA3A2003
John Amtsfield - Statestew@aol.com -

Rouchon, Henri (b. 09 NOV 1730, d. 01 JUL 1784)
Note: another date shown is 23 SEP 1730, however, Falkner Swamp Reformed Church Records indicate age at time of death as 53 yrs, 7mos, 22 days indicating a birth date as 09 NOV 1730. They also indicate he was "not married". Does this mean at the time of death or that he was never married?

Der Staatsbote, a German language newspaper published in Philadlephia contains an advertsiement for Heinrich Roosen on March 23, 1773. Heinrich Roosen, sugarbaker, Second Strret between Chestnut and Market street, Philadelphia, an advertisement in verse.

Tax Assessment rolls:
1769 Henry Roshan Northern Liberties, West Part, Philadelphia County Pa. Archives,S-3, V-14, p. 131
1772 Henry Roshen Norhtern Liberties, West Part, Philadelphia County Pa Archives,
1774 Henry Roshen Chestnit Ward, City of Philadelphia Confectioner PA Archives, S-3, V. 14, p.256
1774 Henry Roshen Northern Liberties, West Part PA Archives, S-3, V-14, p. 404

1774 John Roshen Southwark, Philadelphia County PA Archives, S-3, V-14, p. 436

Military service records for Henry in Revolutionary War)
Henry Roushouny Pvt. 1777 PA Archives, S-2 v-13, p. 638, 656
PA Archives, S-6, V-1, 117, 401
Henry Rosham MM, 5th Battalion, 2nd Class, served his tour. Leighner's Co. PA Archives. S-6, V-1, p. 343

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Source: (Birth)
Title: Falckner Swamp Reformed Church, Montgomery County, New Hanover Twp, Montgomery Co, PA
Abbreviation: Falckner Swamp Reformed Church (Faulkner Swamp)
Note: FSRC

Source: (Burial)
Abbreviation: John Amstfield
Note: John Amstfield

Source: (Individual)
Abbreviation: John Amtsfield letters
Note: John Amtsfield

Naturalization: Date: 22 SEP 1765
Place: Germantown, Philadelphia, PA
Note: Jurors' Names.: HINRY ROSHONG.
Township.: Germantown.
County.: Philadelphia.
Sacrament when taken.: Sept. 22, 1765.
Occupation: Confectioner

Death: 01 JUL 1784
Burial: 01 JUL 1784 Faulkner Swamp Reformed Church Cem., New Hanover Twp., Montgomery Cty., PA
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Henri ROCHON
Sex: M
Birth: 23 SEP 1730 in Pinache, Nekar, Wuerttemberg, Germany
Death: 1 JUL 1784
Occupation: confectioner
Emigration: 17 SEP 1753 Arrived in Philadelphia on the ship "Patience"
CONF: 1745 Evang. Pfarramt in Pinache
Burial: 1 JUL 1784 Faulkner Swamp Reformed Church, Gilbertsville, Montgomery County, PA
Marriage 1 CATHRINA
Children
Henry ROUCHON
John ROUCHON
Elizabeth ROUCHON b: 23 MAY 1750
David ROUCHON b: ABT. DEC 1752 in Switzerland

Father: Pierre ROCHON b: ABT. 1687 in Piedmont Region of Northern Italy
Mother: Catherine GAYDE b: ABT. 1695 in Pinache, Nekar, Wuerttemberg, Germany
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From
Descendants of Jean Rochon

Henri3 Rochon (Pierre2, Jean1)1 was born September 23, 1730 in Pinache, Nekar, Wuerttemberg, Germany, and died July 01, 1784. He married Catherina.

Der Staatsbote, a German language newspaper published in Philadelphia contains an advertsiement for Heinrich Roosen on March 23, 1773. Heinrich Roosen, sugarbaker, Second Strret between Chestnut and Market street, Philadelphia, an advertisement in verse.

Tax Assessment rolls:
1769 Henry Roshan Northern Liberties, West Part, Philadelphia County Pa. Archives,S-3, V-14, p. 131

1772 Henry Roshen Norhtern Liberties, West Part, Philadelphia County Pa Archives,

1774 Henry Roshen Chestnit Ward, City of Philadelphia Confectioner PA Archives, S-3, V. 14, p.256

1774 Henry Roshen Northern Liberties, West Part PA Archives, S-3, V-14, p. 404

1774 John Roshen Southwark, Philadelphia County PA Archives, S-3, V-14, p. 436

1780 David Rushong Philadelphia, North Ward

1780 David Rushong Philadelphia City, Taylor PA Arcives, S-3, V-15, p. 277
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Military service records for Henry and David in Revolutionary War)

David Rushong 8 Class, Meyer's Co., 1777 PA Archives, s-2, v-13, p. 687
David Rushong PA Archives, S-6, v-1, p.64
David Rushong 8 Class, Meyer's Co., 1777 PA Archives, s-2, v-13, p. 687
David Rushong PA Archives, S-6, v-1, p.64

Henry Roushouny Pvt. 1777 PA Archives, S-2 v-13, p. 638, 656
PA Archives, S-6, V-1, 117, 401
Henry Rosham MM, 5th Battalion, 2nd Class, served his tour. Leighner's Co. PA Archives. S-6, V-1, p. 343

NOTE: There is an elementary problem relative to Henri Rochon and work done by researchers who have dealt with records that may apply. The records of Falkner Swamp Reformed Church contain an entry in the burial records for Henry Roshong dating his burial on July 1, 1784 with the notation that he was unmarried. Some researchers have extrapolated this reference to arrive at the conclusion that he was never married and therefore had no issue. I do not believe this to be the case as the records of First Reformed Church in Philadelphia indicate. Henry married Catherine Unknown and had issue. The PA Archives make it clear that there were Roshon-Roshongs that appeared in Philadelphia early including David and John that cannot be attributed to brothers Pierre or Phillippe or to any other potential immigrant. The records of First Reformed Church in Philadelphia are very explicit in listing a baptism for a daughter Catherine. How to restify these records with the burial record at Falkner Swamp is problematic, but, if Henry was a widower at the time if his burial, he would have been "unmarried" or if divorced as unusual as that is, he would also have been "unmarried". In any case, the record is clear that henry had issue. [John J. Amtsfield]

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Their son - David Rouchon Rechon is my 5th Great Grandfather - (Paternal) He married Catherine Copia 15 Sep 1777 First Reformed Church of Philadelphia, PA
He died at age 71 years and 10 months

David - b.Dec 1752 Switzerland d.10 Oct 1824 Charleston, SC
Catherine - b.04 Aug 1752 Philadelphia, PA d. 1834 Charleston, SC
She was Christened 08 AUG 1752 Saint Michaelis And Zion Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

In David's notes I have the following -

RECORD OF PENNSYLVANIA MARRIAGES,
PRIOR TO 1810.
Volume I.
Clarence M. Busch.
State Printer of Pennsylvania, 1895.
Pennsylvania Archives, Second Series, Volume 8.

1788, June 3, Creider, Anna Barbara, and Joh. Jacob Roschong.
1784, May 25, Roschong, Catharina, and Christoph Scheffy.
1789, April 14, Roschong, Christina, and Friderick Hubener.
1798, Feb. 14, Roschong, Elisabeth, and Heinrich Eckelman.
1784, April 13, Roschong, Heinrich, and CatharinaTrumbauer.
1794, Oct. 19, Roschong, Heinrich, and Maria Major.
1796, May 1, Roschong, Jacob, and Anna Major.
1795, Sept. 17, Roschong, Johannes, and Magdalena Johns.
1788, June 3, Roschong, Joh. Jacob, and Anna Barbara Creider.
1783, April 22, Roschon, Peter, and Maria Wolfang.


DAVID & CATHERINES DAUGHTER -
Johanna Sophia Rouchon - b.08 Jun 1782
(have all her siblings, names and births if wanted)

Married Daniel Hercules Bize b. 1772 no death date -
Son of - Hercules Daniel Bize born Moudon , Switzerland and died in
Newark, New Jersey Abt. 1800 (have Hercules Will & notes on him if wanted)

My notes show their children - but I see I got that from you, I always note sources when I can)

IN DANIELS NOTES I HAVE THE FOLLOWING -

Danial is my 4th Great Grandfather-

Daniel inherits from his father -
...to my son Daniel Bize, now residing in South Carolina, ten thousand dollars;

Early population lists of the Dutch West Indies

Bize, Ab:m Gabriel 1781 63.11 Eb - - Ayisi: Bire

Bize, Daniel Hercules 1781 63.13 Eb Ayisi: Bire


Name Year, fol. Area Fem. Sons Dau:s Sl:s Note

Only the name of the head of the family is given, but if he was dead, then the name of his widow appears. Then there are columns for the wives, number of sons, daughters, male slaves, female slaves, slave boys, slave girls, and the number of persons who paid poll tax. All males from 16 to 60 paid such tax.
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Records of Bermudians appearing in the Court of Admiralty for the District of South Carolina, admitted for citizenship:
Origin Date Admitted
Daniel Bize 57 St Eustatia 14 Oct 1834
(This would make him born in 1777 not 1772)


By: Paul R. Sarrett, Jr.
prsjr@aol.com

SOME "Early" SOUTH CAROLINA MARRIAGE RECORDS: 1641-1799
BIZE , DANIEL , RECHON , JOANNA SOPHIA , Nov ,06 , 1799 ,The SC GAZETTE , SC
CD3_010 , BIZE , DANIEL , RE???? , JOANA S , Nov ,03 , 1799
,NC & SC Mar Records , SC
jmanley@svpal.org , BIZE , Daniel , RECHON , Joana S. , Nov ,3 , 1799 ,Charleston , SC
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1820 Census Charleston with one other person


South Carolina Newspaper Marriage Notices, 1732-1801
Married, on Sunday evening, by the Rev. Mr. Mathews, Mr. Daniel Bize to the amiable Miss Joanna Sophia Rechon, both of this city, (Wednesday, November 6, 1799.)

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War of 1812
Name: DANIEL BIZE
Company: HOWARD'S DETACHMENT, SOUTH CAROLINA MILITIA.
Rank - Induction: PRIVATE
Rank - Discharge: PRIVATE
Roll Box: 18
Roll Exct: 602

Roster of the General Society of War of 1812, The Roster, Page 103
Member MCDONALD - Ancestor BIZE, Daniel GEN. SOC. Number-3259


Place: South Carolina Year: 1834
Age: 57
Primary immigrant: Bize, Daniel
Permanent entry number: 612742
Source publication code: 3250.7
Source publication page number: 4
Source publication: HOLCOMB, BRENT H. South Carolina Naturalizations, 1783-1850. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1985. 255p.
Source annotation: Port and date of arrival, or place and date of application or admission. Many records give country of origin, place of residence in America, and occupation.

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U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830

Name: Daniel Bize
Dates: 1801-1825
Location:
Town: Charleston
American County:South Carolina charleston
Occupation:
Occupation: house carpenter
Gender: Male
Address:
Address: 33, Hasell street
Town: Charleston
American County: South Carolina
Source Date: 1803
Source Info:
Listed in, [Charleston, 1803] A Directory, for 1803; containing, The names of all the house keepers and traders in the City of Charleston, alphabetically arranged; their particular Professions, and their Residence. Collected with great care and attention, [1803], ELIZER, Eleazer, Charleston. Printed and sold by W. P. Young, 41, Broad street: sold also at all the book-stores and news-paper offices in the city.

U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830
Name: Daniel Bize
Dates: 1801-1825
Location:
Town: Charleston
American County:South Carolina charleston, s.c.
Occupation:
Occupation: carpenter
Gender: Male
Address:
Address: Meeting street road 2d street above the insp.
Town: Charleston
American County: South Carolina
Source Date: 1806
Source Info:
Listed in, [Charleston, 1806] Negrin?s Directory, and Almanac, for the year 1806: containing every article of general utility. Price One Dollar Subscription. [pp.4, 15, 22, 61, 62, 69, 71, 72, 107 blurred, p125 missing], [1806], NEGRIN, J. J., Charleston, S.C.. From J. J. Negrin?s Press, No. 124, East Bay


Name: Daniel Bize
Dates: 1801-1825
Location:
Town: Charleston
American County:South Carolina charleston, s.c.
Occupation:
Occupation: carpenter
Gender: Male
Address:
Address: Meeting street road 2d above the inspection
Town: Charleston
American County: South Carolina
Source Date: 1807
Source Info:
Listed in, [Charleston, 1807] Negrin?s Directory for the year 1807 - containing every article of general utility. Price of Subscription One Dollar. [pp.43, 56-58, 66-79, 163, 181 missing], [1807], NEGRIN, J. J., Charleston, S.C.. From J. J. Negrin?s Press, No. 106, Queen street

DANIEL & Johanna Sophia Rouchon had two children -
Anne Caroline Bize B.07 Sep 1803 Charleston, SC.
died 18 Nov 1867 Charleston,SC

George Andrew Bize B.10 Dec 1812 d. 28 Mar 1813 - Charleston

Have nothing on GEORGE
Ann Caroline - married JOHN HONOUR - 28 May 1822 Charleston, SC.
Anne Caroline was my Great Great Great Grandmother -
She died at the age of 64 years, 2 months & 11 days

1860 Census Charleston,SC.

John H. Honour age 57 President Insurance Co.
Anne C. age 57
Fresderick age 22 Clerk
Caroline age 20
George age 14
Susan E. Honour age 44

They had 14 children - I have soooo much on them if you want that -
Let me know and you can have that too - probably not tho - that is all I have on Rochon tho. John Honour was a Methodist Rev and Mason.

Visited your site! -

I really really had a hard time getting passed your poetry and will have to get back to that - it was absolutely delightful!!! Loved it!!

Best to you -
Samantha

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